ESV Erases Jesus' Miracle Escape

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posthuman

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Or, you can be easily deceived by someone quoting Shakespeare and passing it off as Scripture.

It's best to be familiar with the text itself, not merely with the language. ;)
haha i hadn't read this yet when i replied to Hevosmies :LOL:

yon Cassius hath a lean and hungry look . . .
we are on same wavelength ;)
 

posthuman

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Never! I dont read shakespeare or any of that fancy stuff.
so you wouldn't know it if it was quoted to you.. ?

the fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool

:D scripture or shakespeare?
 

Nehemiah6

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why are you picking on ESV?
That's because of the lofty claims made for the ESV.

The ESV Study Bible was created to help people understand the Bible in a deeper way. Combining the best and most recent evangelical Christian scholarship with the highly regarded ESV text, it is the most comprehensive study Bible ever published.

https://evangelicalbible.com/product/esv-study-bible-genuine-leather-black/

Those are quite a few lofty claims, but they will not withstand the glare of close scrutiny.
 

Budman

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so you wouldn't know it if it was quoted to you.. ?

the fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool

:D scripture or shakespeare?
I'm gonna say Shakespeare, because how can a fool be a wise man?
 

Dino246

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That's because of the lofty claims made for the ESV.

The ESV Study Bible was created to help people understand the Bible in a deeper way. Combining the best and most recent evangelical Christian scholarship with the highly regarded ESV text, it is the most comprehensive study Bible ever published.

https://evangelicalbible.com/product/esv-study-bible-genuine-leather-black/

Those are quite a few lofty claims, but they will not withstand the glare of close scrutiny.
Those claims are made of the Study Bible edition, not of the ESV text itself, which is only described as "highly regarded".
 

John146

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That's because of the lofty claims made for the ESV.

The ESV Study Bible was created to help people understand the Bible in a deeper way. Combining the best and most recent evangelical Christian scholarship with the highly regarded ESV text, it is the most comprehensive study Bible ever published.

https://evangelicalbible.com/product/esv-study-bible-genuine-leather-black/

Those are quite a few lofty claims, but they will not withstand the glare of close scrutiny.
I smell $$ signs.
 

posthuman

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I'm gonna say Shakespeare, because how can a fool be a wise man?
you win!
that was a quote from '
As You Like it'

however..

Be not wise in thine own eyes
(Proverbs 3:7)
Shakespeare wasn't ignorant of the scripture ;)
 

Hevosmies

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I love it how some of these new translations are so humble in their preface.

"yeah uhh. this translation basically makes everything understandable, in a deeper way, we got the best scholars, the best manuscripts and this is the best bible published. buy it. if u dont well u jsut wont understand the bible as well since, you know, you dont got the best scholars translating yer stuff"
 

Hevosmies

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you win!
that was a quote from '
As You Like it'


however..

Be not wise in thine own eyes
(Proverbs 3:7)
Shakespeare wasn't ignorant of the scripture ;)
was shakespeare a man? i thought he was a CHARACTER in a play called shakespeare?

IM A SIMPLE MAN. I talk with horses. Read about gypsies, Are you surprised i dont even know if shakespeare is a man or a play? OR A BOOK?

At first i thought mona lisa was an artist!
 

John146

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I love it how some of these new translations are so humble in their preface.

"yeah uhh. this translation basically makes everything understandable, in a deeper way, we got the best scholars, the best manuscripts and this is the best bible published. buy it. if u dont well u jsut wont understand the bible as well since, you know, you dont got the best scholars translating yer stuff"
If you don’t buy this one, we’re putting out another one soon, buy that one.$$
 

posthuman

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If you don’t buy this one, we’re putting out another one soon, buy that one.$$
but do you get your leather-bound KJV's free of charge?
last Bible i bought ((a Scoffield-reference edition AKJV)), the price was exactly the same for NIV, ESV, KJV
 

posthuman

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but do you get your leather-bound KJV's free of charge?
in case you don't, a Mormon will personally hand-deliver one to you if you fill out this form:
free Bible (( i think it's even kjv?))


or, if you don't want to take advantage of the witnessing opportunity that might afford, you can just have one delivered by mail..

free 'recovery version' ((what is that??)) here:
https://www.biblesforamerica.org/place-order/


free NIV here:
http://www.myfreebible.org/RequestBible.html


free KJV here:
https://www.usbiblesociety.com/free-bible-order-form


or you can just grab a Gideon's Bible from pretty much any hotel in the country. yes, they do mean for you to take them with you - they're replaced often. those used to be NKJV, and i suspect a whole lot of the ones you'll find still are, but they actually switched & give away thousands of free ESV's these days.
 

John146

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but do you get your leather-bound KJV's free of charge?
last Bible i bought ((a Scoffield-reference edition AKJV)), the price was exactly the same for NIV, ESV, KJV
I can get a KJV at dollar tree for $1.00...no copyright.
 

Hevosmies

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I looked up Shakespeare on wikipedia, turns out he was a person.

Why is he so widely admired? The man did nothing. Useless fella.

Rest in peace though!
 
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I read the KJV, and that is the Bible I like, but if the other translations claim Jesus as Lord and Savior, and there is only one God, and to be led of the Spirit being Christlike, then it would seem as if all things would fall in to place, for that is what the devil would want to attack.

And if there is a translation that is incorrect then it would seem as if they are doing it on purpose, which a person that claims the essentials would surely know about it.

Like the new age movement that interprets the Bible according to the occult, and evolution, and people can still evolve, for they believe people are still evolving until they are spiritual.

Which Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process, and love, and an ascended master, and avatar, which they believe the Christ conscience will come upon all people who follow the New Age Christ, and they too will be like the man Jesus.

They believe the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, and when the Bible says Lucifer fell they translate that to mean that he descended to earth years ago to bring the principle of mind to the then known animal-man, and in the future they will evolve to be spiritual.

The Bible says the new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and will pave the way to the beast kingdom for all people who do not love God where He will then end this sin business on earth, until they rebel at the end of the millennial reign of Christ, and then that is it for the sin of people.

So since the new age movement is the future for this sinful world then the people that actually have the power, and control things, would be of the new age movement, and want to produce the New Age Christ so they can evolve to be greater, and spiritual, which interpret all religions including Christianity the same based on evolution, and not a personal God.

So if there is any error in the new versions it would seem like they would do it on purpose to support the new age movement.

But many new versions claim Jesus as Lord and Savior, and there is one God, and to be led of the Spirit and be Christlike, which those of the new age movement would not want to do.

They would want a translation that does not exalt Jesus as God, and Lord and Savior, and would not want to claim a personal God.

They claim New Age Christology but the Bible says their conscience is seared with a hot iron, which means they do not show the love of Christ, and to be Christlike as the truth of the Bible tells, for they are of the occult and know what kind of fighting has to go on to have the type of world they want, and they are willing to be that cruel to have it.

They claim peace to get the world together as one, for they do not believe the New Age Christ will appear to help them until the nations come together, but they know that fighting will happen to establish their kingdom of all who oppose them, but they are willing to be that cruel for the occult is all about exalting themselves as high as possible, and will not let anyone get in the way.

If the new versions do not reflect any of the new age things, and claim the essentials, then everything should be in place.

And anybody that I know that goes by the new versions claim Jesus as Lord and Savior, and one God, and to be led of the Spirit.

The new age movement is so extreme in their interpretation of the Bible that those that claim the essentials should be able to know it when they read the Bible.

And the inner circle is even more extreme than that, but they will let the outer circle work on them to get them lusting for power through nature, and when they accept the New Age Christ the outer circle became the inner circle, and the beast kingdom can come about.

Unless there are things in the new versions that can ensnare someone to think a certain way not in truth, who has not went to a fundamental Church, and then one thing leads to another.

But when they get to the part of Jesus is Lord and Savior, and a personal God, they cannot escape that.

ESV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God( John 1:1).

Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am"( John 8:58).

I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these things to you so that, if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth. Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory( 1 Timothy 3:16).

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty"( Revelation 1:8).

For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ( 2 Peter 1:11).

The ESV claims Jesus as Lord and Savior, which I cannot see a translation being corrupt unless they do it on purpose to deceive, and if the version claims a personal God, Jesus as Lord and Savior, and be led of the Spirit acting Christlike, which love of people is the fulfilling of the law, and to even love your enemies, and feed and clothe your enemies, then it would seem like everything else should be in place, for those things is what the devil would attack the most.

And if there is any corruption done on purpose, or promoting a agenda different in it how will that lead them astray from the essentials, for they will not follow the world when they say Peace and safety, and will not follow the world for they believe the main part of the Bible, God, Jesus, be Christlike.

So if they do not attack the essentials then they would seem like they are on the level to translate it correctly.

The KJV did not attack the essentials, so everything should fall in to place, so if the new versions do not attack the essentials then everything should fall in to place.

But I only read through the KJV, and not the other ones, but many of them seem like it is correct.

They could be thinking that they are not correct because they know there will be much deception at the end time, and think it could reflect in the modern versions, but I think that is mainly in the new age movement itself, and their interpretation among them, and not so much on the outside of it.
 

posthuman

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I looked up Shakespeare on wikipedia, turns out he was a person.

Why is he so widely admired? The man did nothing. Useless fella.

Rest in peace though!
maybe the volumes of material he provided for centuries of English literature classes to assign homework from .. ?
i understand that not going to HS, you wouldn't have thought of that :p
 

posthuman

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if they do not attack the essentials
as noted earlier here ((and also in each of the thousand KJV-only threads in the history of CC)), unless you're a JW or a Judaizer, translations are decidedly not made with the intent to 'attack the essentials'