5 Signs Your Church is Going Progressive

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Preachers without a backbone or spine in their body.

When I think of shepherds, I can envision a shepherd with his staff smacking preds in the head after his sheep...but today's preachers, either have no spine/backbone or just flat out feel in the spiritual sense as the enemy to God's people.
 
John146 said:
Dispensations is a bible truth.
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Is not the word used in context of the word, itself, and not as some kind of doctrine? This is the way I understand it, and all words...

I do not hear anyone in the Word making reference to this word being used as it is defined in any other manner.
 
JaumeJ said:
Is not the word used in context of the word, itself, and not as some kind of doctrine? This is the way I understand it, and all words...

I do not hear anyone in the Word making reference to this word being used as it is defined in any other manner.
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It's referred to as a dispensing of God's truth. For example, the dispensation of Innocence was in Adam's day. God dispensed truth to Adam to live by. That's all Adam needed. If Adam would have obeyed and lived by that truth, there would have been no need for further truth. Adam would have lived in Innocence. No law, no cross, no gospel, etc...
 
John146 said:
It's referred to as a dispensing of God's truth. For example, the dispensation of Innocence was in Adam's day. God dispensed truth to Adam to live by. That's all Adam needed. If Adam would have obeyed and lived by that truth, there would have been no need for further truth. Adam would have lived in Innocence. No law, no cross, no gospel, etc...
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The entire Word is thetruth, and it is written down by men of God inspired by the Holy Spirit to impart the eternal truths to the children of God. Why not have revelation doctringe, or acts? It is all on the foundation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ first preached to Abraham, given to him, and now for all to rejoice in. It has been in the destiny of all God's children since before Adam...
 
JaumeJ said:
The entire Word is thetruth, and it is written down by men of God inspired by the Holy Spirit to impart the eternal truths to the children of God. Why not have revelation doctringe, or acts? It is all on the foundation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ first preached to Abraham, given to him, and now for all to rejoice in. It has been in the destiny of all God's children since before Adam...
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Sorry, Abraham had no understanding of what the Lord gave Paul under the NT. The good news that was given to Abraham was that through his seed would become a great people that would be a blessing to the whole world. And this people will have a physical land on earth to be theirs only. The cross of Jesus Christ was hidden to everyone before it happened.
 
John146 said:
Sorry, Abraham had no understanding of what the Lord gave Paul under the NT. The good news that was given to Abraham was that through his seed would become a great people that would be a blessing to the whole world. And this people will have a physical land on earth to be theirs only. The cross of Jesus Christ was hidden to everyone before it happened.
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There is only one Gospel, the Gospel of Jesus Christ. All too many think the children of God aree separated into groups in the Kingdom, they must consider the reality that truth of our Father is truth for all of His children.

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
 
JaumeJ said:
There is only one Gospel, the Gospel of Jesus Christ. All too many think the children of God aree separated into groups in the Kingdom, they must consider the reality that truth of our Father is truth for all of His children.

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
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God foreseeing...not Abraham. The statement "In thee shall all the nations be blessed" the foreknowledge of God. Abraham only knew about nations being blessed through His seed, nothing about the cross.
 
Abraham was given the Gospel, there is only one according to the faithful, according to Paqul

He was promised his descendants would possess the Gate (Jesus) of their enemies, the gentiles.

We are taught we become fellow heirs with the children of Israel...……(Israel has a translation you know but not in most Bibles.)

The Master, Jesus Christ, Who is the Good Shepherd, has also taught all that aside fro His original flock, He had anoterh that He was goign to join to it, the gentiles.

They, the Gentiles, enter by the Gate, Jesus, to join and become Israel. It's in the Book.
 
John146 said:
Sounds like socialism.
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No its what Jesus commanded that you love one another as I have loved you. If you dont know how to do that, I would question do you really know Jesus. If you treat the poor like dirt, when you are rich then do you really know what equality means? If you fail to give anyone who thirsts a cup of water, is your heart truly changed? If you lack compassion...whats that saying about your heart? Ask yourself.
 
John146 said:
God foreseeing...not Abraham. The statement "In thee shall all the nations be blessed" the foreknowledge of God. Abraham only knew about nations being blessed through His seed, nothing about the cross.
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Abraham knew when God told him to sacrifice his only son, Isaac..he knew about what was going to be needed. He knew God would send a lamb.

Maybe YOU think abrahm didn't know but he wouldnt have prepared the sacrifice if it wasnt the case.
 
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JaumeJ said:
Abraham was given the Gospel, there is only one according to the faithful, according to Paqul

He was promised his descendants would possess the Gate (Jesus) of their enemies, the gentiles.

We are taught we become fellow heirs with the children of Israel...……(Israel has a translation you know but not in most Bibles.)

The Master, Jesus Christ, Who is the Good Shepherd, has also taught all that aside fro His original flock, He had anoterh that He was goign to join to it, the gentiles.

They, the Gentiles, enter by the Gate, Jesus, to join and become Israel. It's in the Book.
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Funny how all those OT saints were looking forward to the cross and yet, Jesus' own disciples had no idea of the cross. Something doesn't add up...
 
John146 said:
Funny how all those OT saints were looking forward to the cross and yet, Jesus' own disciples had no idea of the cross. Something doesn't add up...
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The cross was foretold in the Psalms for one. Neither His disciples nor His followers other were fully aware of what His mission was to be until it was past and they received the Holy Spirit.

None of us would be were it not for the confirmation of the Hol Spirit, or are you the only one other than our Lord how knows without being given theunderstanding?
 
JaumeJ said:
The cross was foretold in the Psalms for one. Neither His disciples nor His followers other were fully aware of what His mission was to be until it was past and they received the Holy Spirit.

None of us would be were it not for the confirmation of the Hol Spirit, or are you the only one other than our Lord how knows without being given theunderstanding?
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Foretold, yes...understood, no. Scripture gives me the words to understand, and the Holy Spirit gives me the power to understand the words.
 
Be careful. No one "has power" that is God's, we make ourelves available for Him to do His works through us when He, and only He chooses. Please do not claim to be given actual power, we are given works and God does them through us, not that He needs any of us, it is a gift to each one of us.
 
JaumeJ said:
Be careful. No one "has power" that is God's, we make ourelves available for Him to do His works through us when He, and only He chooses. Please do not claim to be given actual power, we are given works and God does them through us, not that He needs any of us, it is a gift to each one of us.
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Again, I'm a bible believer. Scripture states that ye shall receive power when the Holy Ghost comes upon you...and ye shall be my witnesses...
 
John146 said:
Again, I'm a bible believer. Scripture states that ye shall receive power when the Holy Ghost comes upon you...and ye shall be my witnesses...
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Jesus was speaking to the disciples and they, above all men, know the power they received was God working through them. Do you believe when amiracle occurs when you are availed to the service of our Maker you have performed it? If so, you are not understanding theWord, and you believe you conjur up the power rather than become a vessel of service to our Father.

It is lat here, so I bid you good night, and you have a blessed and informative day in Yeshua.
 
JaumeJ said:
Jesus was speaking to the disciples and they, above all men, know the power they received was God working through them. Do you believe when amiracle occurs when you are availed to the service of our Maker you have performed it? If so, you are not understanding theWord, and you believe you conjur up the power rather than become a vessel of service to our Father.

It is lat here, so I bid you good night, and you have a blessed and informative day in Yeshua.
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Sometimes I find it very difficult having a conversation with you. Conjur up the power? I plainly said the Holy Spirit gives power. If I have any ability to please the Lord, it has come from Him.
 
JaumeJ said:
There is only one Gospel, the Gospel of Jesus Christ. All too many think the children of God aree separated into groups in the Kingdom, they must consider the reality that truth of our Father is truth for all of His children.

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
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I agree...

remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. and he came and preached peace to you who were far away , and peace to those who were near ; for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
Ephesians 2:12‭-‬22 NASB
 
JaumeJ said:
Dispensation is a word meaning to portion out or dole out. As for a doctrine of any assembly, keep in mind our Father is always the same, and His truth is eternal.. Dispensation? naw.
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....whole or portion....You may wish to analyze this point further.
Dispensation also includes the dispensing of judgement actions....justice.
 
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