Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D.
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Even though the roman soldiers burn the temple to the ground; the current Wailing Wall most jews believe to be a foundation wall of the temple.
Maybe Jesus did not mean to include the temples foundation in which not one stone would be on top of another?
To avoid this discrepancy some here claim the Romans built the Wall as part of a barracks (the rest of which is long gone) after their having burned down Jerusalem. Doesn't add up, does it?
Maybe Jesus did not mean to include the temples foundation in which not one stone would be on top of another?
To avoid this discrepancy some here claim the Romans built the Wall as part of a barracks (the rest of which is long gone) after their having burned down Jerusalem. Doesn't add up, does it?
Because Jesus was talking about the generations he wasnt meaning 2000 years or his contemporaries he also said elswhere generations, faithless generstion, generations of vipers, referring to children of the devil, and this generation, children of God.
You have got to to understand what generations means in the Bible not talking about race or contemporaries, but who theyve descended from and their offspring. This is how Jesus used the word. Note he didnt say you people standing here. Which he did say at other times when he was speaking to the disciples.
Why would you be talking about a british generation 2000 years from now i dont know your context but I know Jesus context.
Do you know the meaning of the word degenerate, and regenerate? Do you know that born again believers have been regenerated? We believers are children of God.
You have got to to understand what generations means in the Bible not talking about race or contemporaries, but who theyve descended from and their offspring. This is how Jesus used the word. Note he didnt say you people standing here. Which he did say at other times when he was speaking to the disciples.
Why would you be talking about a british generation 2000 years from now i dont know your context but I know Jesus context.
Do you know the meaning of the word degenerate, and regenerate? Do you know that born again believers have been regenerated? We believers are children of God.
I mean this with all due respect but I think, like many futurists, you are desperate to deny what the Scriptures actually say. Jesus says ALL those things will happen to THIS GENERATION, His contemporaries.
Verse 24's "Time of the Gentiles" is the siege of Jerusalem which ended in 70 A.D. The Olivet Discourse is not the only place where Jesus says He is returning in His generation. He also says it in Matt 10: 17-23 and Matt: 16: 27-28.
Matt 16: 27-28, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
How do you answer these verses? They prove that a future second coming of Jesus is false. He already came back in 70 A.D. just like He promised. There is no answer for Matt 16 according to the futurist paradigm. It proves all futurist eschatologies to be false and as you can see it isn't just one passage that says it but multiple.
Verse 24's "Time of the Gentiles" is the siege of Jerusalem which ended in 70 A.D. The Olivet Discourse is not the only place where Jesus says He is returning in His generation. He also says it in Matt 10: 17-23 and Matt: 16: 27-28.
Matt 16: 27-28, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
How do you answer these verses? They prove that a future second coming of Jesus is false. He already came back in 70 A.D. just like He promised. There is no answer for Matt 16 according to the futurist paradigm. It proves all futurist eschatologies to be false and as you can see it isn't just one passage that says it but multiple.
When Paul wrote this letter it was before the fall of Jerusalem. The resurrection and judgment took place then. It was still in the future at the time of the writing of that letter but they were saying it was in the past.
If the early Christians had the modern day concept of the "rapture" that Christians today have, that living humans would fly into the sky, Hymenaeus and Philetus would never have been able to fool anybody. Christians would have said to them, "You are silly. I am still standing here." And the Christians could have asked Hymenaeus and Philetus, "Why are you still standing here?"
The Christians in the first century did not believe in a "rapture" of living Christians off the planet.
If the early Christians had the modern day concept of the "rapture" that Christians today have, that living humans would fly into the sky, Hymenaeus and Philetus would never have been able to fool anybody. Christians would have said to them, "You are silly. I am still standing here." And the Christians could have asked Hymenaeus and Philetus, "Why are you still standing here?"
The Christians in the first century did not believe in a "rapture" of living Christians off the planet.
If Jesus set up his kingdom in 70 AD it was not much of a kingdom. Jerusalem was in ruins and the people that escaped scattered all over the place. If that really was the start of His kingdom it was a total joke. No mention of it either in historical records. If so, in today's jargon, it would be called fake news.
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The point is that Jesus, all 25 times He uses the word, He is talking about His contemporaries. He never uses about a future generation.
The Gnostics believed that "spirit" was good and the "body" was evil. I believe no such thing. There is nothing wrong with our bodies. They are a wonderful creation that God has made.
Paul says in 1 Cor 15 that the body is sown a natural body and raised a spiritual body. It is not flesh and blood.
1 Cor 15: 50, "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption."
When a Christian dies his body goes in the ground and he takes on his "spiritual body", which is like the angels, and goes to be with the Lord forever. You don't take this body with you.
The Gnostics believed that "spirit" was good and the "body" was evil. I believe no such thing. There is nothing wrong with our bodies. They are a wonderful creation that God has made.
Paul says in 1 Cor 15 that the body is sown a natural body and raised a spiritual body. It is not flesh and blood.
1 Cor 15: 50, "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption."
When a Christian dies his body goes in the ground and he takes on his "spiritual body", which is like the angels, and goes to be with the Lord forever. You don't take this body with you.
Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Mat 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
In the above Jesus is condemning his contemporary "this generation" because that generation was the one that witnessed his preaching and miracles and he says they will be condemned because they rejected "a greater than Solomon".
Folks need to quit playing with the plain words of "this generation" in support of their fawlty preconceived ideas and "theology".
Mat 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
In the above Jesus is condemning his contemporary "this generation" because that generation was the one that witnessed his preaching and miracles and he says they will be condemned because they rejected "a greater than Solomon".
Folks need to quit playing with the plain words of "this generation" in support of their fawlty preconceived ideas and "theology".
If you click on NEW POSTS, that thread, and a whole bunch more will show up. But here it is:
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...the-kingdom-of-god.183336/page-2#post-3863176
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...the-kingdom-of-god.183336/page-2#post-3863176
Thank you for linking that. I read Ahwatukee's original post. He did not answer Matt 16: 27-28. All he did was combine the parallel texts of Mark 8: 38-9:1 and Luke 9: 26-27 and claim that it was fulfilled at the Mount of Transfiguration.
It was not fulfilled at the Mount of Transfiguration and Matthew's version refutes Ahwatukee's claim. I will post Matt 16: 27-28 again:
Matt 16: 27-28, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
I noticed that Ahwatukee conveniently left out the part in bold.
So it is not about "casting out demons" before the Pharisees as Ahwatukee falsely claimed or the Mount of Transfiguration. Nobody was rewarded according to their works at any of those occasions.
The post you linked did not answer Matt 16 and the futurist paradigm has no answer for it. Scripture teaches Jesus came back in the first century.
It was not fulfilled at the Mount of Transfiguration and Matthew's version refutes Ahwatukee's claim. I will post Matt 16: 27-28 again:
Matt 16: 27-28, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
I noticed that Ahwatukee conveniently left out the part in bold.
So it is not about "casting out demons" before the Pharisees as Ahwatukee falsely claimed or the Mount of Transfiguration. Nobody was rewarded according to their works at any of those occasions.
The post you linked did not answer Matt 16 and the futurist paradigm has no answer for it. Scripture teaches Jesus came back in the first century.
This is rubbish. Its you imposing an interpretation on scripture. It was you who spoke of ''the Israelite generation'' now you contradict yourself Why would he say ''the people standing here'' when it would be obvious that he was talking to those in front of him. The only time he used the expression was when he was talking about some not dying before they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom.
This is a prophecy where he predicted his fulfillment of Daniel at his ascension he also used it at his trial where he quotes Daniel in reply to Caiaphas and referred to the judgement on Jerusalem in AD70 Also when he spoke about generations no one had been regenerated. It didn't happen until his death and resurrection and after the Holy Spirit was given. If you want to believe your nonsense instead of the plain word of scripture its your choice but it doesn't make it true
This is a prophecy where he predicted his fulfillment of Daniel at his ascension he also used it at his trial where he quotes Daniel in reply to Caiaphas and referred to the judgement on Jerusalem in AD70 Also when he spoke about generations no one had been regenerated. It didn't happen until his death and resurrection and after the Holy Spirit was given. If you want to believe your nonsense instead of the plain word of scripture its your choice but it doesn't make it true
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