United Methodists face vote on LGBTQ issues

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HeraldtheNews

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Not true. Spent over 20 yrs in evangelistic traveling ministry. Churches are mostly empty because they won't preach the truth. Yes, sinners are saved the same way they have always been, by conviction of the Holy Spirit. Just because the world turned PC doesn't mean the church should.




Could you explain the underlined part? A former lesbian? Brother if being against gay marriage is not showing love for gays we have a huge problem. You cannot bend the truth to suit the sinner. It's not possible to accept gay marriage and be a Christ follower, let alone a preacher of the Gospel.



No as Christians we are responsible to preach the truth of the Gospel. If you think being against gay marriage is harsh and anti-gay rhetoric there is a problem, a major one! You are called to preach the whole truth. Where in the Bible does it say preach in a way that doesn't offend the sinner. John the Baptist called out the king for his sin in public and lost his head for it. Preach the truth!! Let Holy Spirit convict.
Our job as preacher is not to communicate the truth, but to communicate the truth in the way that makes the difference. Haranguing homosexuality from the pulpit may make us feel righteous, but it makes gays and lesbians feel despised and just ensures that they will reject the Gospel. Pre-evangelism is crucial. Homosexuals need to feel loved and welcome in the church until they can develop a healthy respect for God's Word and then reexamine their lifestyles. One of the most harmful clichés ever minted by evangelicals is "Love the sinne, but hate the sin." Hate is an energy felt as rejection by its target who won't feel loved by the preacher condemning them. Instead, we need to replace hatred in all its forms and accept seekers just the way they are until the Holy Spirit has a chance to woo them to God's grace through our positive accepting attitude and love.

In reading this again, I see where I'm not quite sure what "MadHermit" is trying to say in saying that "our job as Christians is not to communicate the truth, but to communicate the truth in the way that makes the difference." I think he means that we should not just teach the truth, but teach it in a way that Jesus would. And I agree with "kaylagrl" that we are called to stand for the truth regardless of the consequences. So where can we draw our example? Jesus and John the Baptist were the most harsh on the religious Pharisees who had turned religion into an idol totally absent of God's love, mercy, or justice. God demanded the death penalty for the world's consistent rebellion, and then took that death penalty Himself in the most anguished EXTREME public way possible. If that's not true justice, I don't know what is. His mercy was the most dramatic towards those with personal sins, saying, "neither do I condemn you," and "go and sin no more." If your life is spared by God HImself, you're not likely to continue down the same path. It's best not to delay turning our lives around--today is the day of salvation! He clearly said all through the Bible.

When Jesus was confronting many powerful issues in the house of a Pharisee, one, also referred to as a devil, who sneered at God's mercy towards the weeping sister at His feet, was pretty much commanded to leave His Presence: "LEAVE HER ALONE!"
and then excommunicated by his own free-will, choosing Hell by seeking revenge against Christ.

The reason why I'm not as extreme as some people in here, is I've been there and done that-- the heated debates, arguing for the sake of arguing. People are emotionally wounded by such judgmental condemnation. And by the description of "MadHermit," they also appreciate honest feedback from the Church.
I agree with the Methodist Churches decision, as long as they treat everyone equally, such as excommunicating married ministers for adultery. That's one reason the church is there-- to guide people on the path of salvation,
patiently, prayerfully, and lovingly if possible.
If we don't have friends who are courageous enough to give honest feedback, I think one Proverb says, "it's better to be rebuked by a true friend," it's human nature to "lean on our own understanding," and follow the path of least resistance, without Divine revelation.
Sometimes intervention is necessary.
The heterosexual male who thinks his wife will be ok with his porn addiction;
or his mistress;
Hoarding, alcohol, drugs, gambling, and anything else unhealthy.
Intervention helps people to at least take a look at their lives.
The United Methodist Church chose a path of intervention.
So did Martin Luther;
So did Martin Luther King Jr.;
So did John the Baptist;
So will the Catholic Church;
So do so many mothers, to save their children;
So did Jesus.
 
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kaylagrl

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In reading this again, I see where I'm not quite sure what "MadHermit" is trying to say in saying that "our job as Christians is not to communicate the truth, but to communicate the truth in the way that makes the difference." I think he means that we should not just teach the truth, but teach it in a way that Jesus would. And I agree with "kaylagrl" that we are called to stand for the truth regardless of the consequences. So where can we draw our example? Jesus and John the Baptist were the most harsh on the religious Pharisees who had turned religion into an idol totally absent of God's love, mercy, or justice. God demanded the death penalty for the world's consistent rebellion, and then took that death penalty Himself in the most anguished EXTREME public way possible. If that's not true justice, I don't know what is. His mercy was the most dramatic towards those with personal sins, saying, "neither do I condemn you," and "go and sin no more." If your life is spared by God HImself, you're not likely to continue down the same path. It's best not to delay turning our lives around--today is the day of salvation! He clearly said all through the Bible.

When Jesus was confronting many powerful issues in the house of a Pharisee, one, also referred to as a devil, who sneered at God's mercy towards the weeping sister at His feet, was pretty much commanded to leave His Presence: "LEAVE HER ALONE!"
and then excommunicated by his own free-will, choosing Hell by seeking revenge against Christ.

The reason why I'm not as extreme as some people in here, is I've been there and done that-- the heated debates, arguing for the sake of arguing. People are emotionally wounded by such judgmental condemnation. And by the description of "MadHermit," they also appreciate honest feedback from the Church.
I agree with the Methodist Churches decision, as long as they treat everyone equally, such as excommunicating married ministers for adultery. That's one reason the church is there-- to guide people on the path of salvation,
patiently, prayerfully, and lovingly if possible.
If we don't have friends who are courageous enough to give honest feedback, I think one Proverb says, "it's better to be rebuked by a true friend," it's human nature to "lean on our own understanding," and follow the path of least resistance, without Divine revelation.
Sometimes intervention is necessary.
The heterosexual male who thinks his wife will be ok with his porn addiction;
or his mistress;
Hoarding, alcohol, drugs, gambling, and anything else unhealthy.
Intervention helps people to at least take a look at their lives.
The United Methodist Church chose a path of intervention.
So did Martin Luther;
So did Martin Luther King Jr.;
So did John the Baptist;
So will the Catholic Church;
So do so many mothers, to save their children;
So did Jesus.


We have to hold up the standard. You cannot allow homosexual pastors and marriage into the church. I have a pastor friend, was my pastor for a short time,but we had been friends. He slept with his worship leader,he is now living with her and left his wife. I talk to his wife often,she is devastated. He is no longer in the ministry,nor should he be. His gf should not hold a position in the church either. Again, we have to hold up the standard.
 
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Susanna

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#83
There’s something wrong with the quoting function, I don’t know who’s saying what above, and that goes for several posts.
 

Oncefallen

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I'm going to temporarily close this thread to fix existing quoted post issues so they don't continue.
 

Oncefallen

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Unfortunately, once a single post has an error in a quoted post, it messes up the quote coding for every subsequent post. I think I have it fixed now.
 
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kaylagrl

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Wow,did I mess up the whole system?! I know I'm clumsy but wow!!
 
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Susanna

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Still don’t get who’s saying what lol.
 
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kaylagrl

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Before you 86 the thread, I want to say how awesome it is to finally get some good news!

Let's try again here. The UMC decided not to accept gay marriage or gay priests. So that is a great decision. I have no issue with UMC at all. Ministered in their churches. There's a church several hours from me that I ministered in and they believed in tongues!! I thought I was in an A of G church. So it has nothing with the name over the door. I'm glad they made the right decision.
 
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kaylagrl

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I think I saw this movie. It's called "Kayla breaks the Internet".
Hahahahaa!! It's gone wacky. I was up till 2 am last night trying to figure out the problem. grrrr
 

Oncefallen

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Wow,did I mess up the whole system?! I know I'm clumsy but wow!!
Actually it started with a post that Harold quoted that miscoded and then you quoted that post which replicated the miscoding which just carried on from there.

That being said, I'm pleasantly surprised at the outcome with the UMC. I was certain they would go the same route as the Episcople and one of the Lutheran Synods ( I can't remember which) that now allow for openly practicing gay clergy, gay marriage, etc.
 
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kaylagrl

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Actually it started with a post that Harold quoted that miscoded and then you quoted that post which replicated the miscoding which just carried on from there.

That being said, I'm pleasantly surprised at the outcome with the UMC. I was certain they would go the same route as the Episcople and one of the Lutheran Synods ( I can't remember which) that now allow for openly practicing gay clergy, gay marriage, etc.
Ha!! So it wasn't me,well not ALL me. :) I'm glad they made the decision too. The United Church back home in Canada had the same issue and it split the church in two. Sad to see when that happens.
 
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Let's try again here. The UMC decided not to accept gay marriage or gay priests. So that is a great decision. I have no issue with UMC at all. Ministered in their churches. There's a church several hours from me that I ministered in and they believed in tongues!! I thought I was in an A of G church. So it has nothing with the name over the door. I'm glad they made the right decision.
Good. But I don't understand why gays would want to get married in a christian church in the first place. That would be like a buddhist couple wanting to get married in a synagogue.
 
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Susanna

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I don’t support gay marriage, because marriage is between man and woman. I do support, though, their right to civil union, because I think it is better for society that people, whether they be gay or straight, don’t engage in sexual activity with random partners. Gays sexual activity is a health risk and I think that’s part of the reason why the Bible is speaking against it.