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NayborBear

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Also If Lucifer was an angel. Wasn't Lucifer was supposed to be in Hell? Since Lucifer lost his position or has sin against God.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment


Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—

If He was the devil that cause war in Heaven why was he thrown into earth rather than Hell?


Revelation 12:9

And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made.

Jesus Said
I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven”


Revelation 12:7-9

Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven.
In the very simplest of "encapsulated analogy's?"

The Most High, created all!
Every being, Angels, etc. Follows the orders and directions of the Most High! To the "T!"
It was the Most Highs "Good Pleasure", in creating a being that might choose to follow Him!
But, as there was no options for this being to follow? Other then The Most High?
He allowed for options to manifest themselves.
Now! In His "Good Pleasure", when He sees fit that enough time (as we know time) has expired? These anti Most High options, will no longer be applicable, and thus be destroyed! Like some idea one might have written down on paper. And no longer viable? Taken to the trash can and burnt!
That's the why these "options" are still around!
 
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amberlynlover7

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In the very simplest of "encapsulated analogy's?"

The Most High, created all!
Every being, Angels, etc. Follows the orders and directions of the Most High! To the "T!"
It was the Most Highs "Good Pleasure", in creating a being that might choose to follow Him!
But, as there was no options for this being to follow? Other then The Most High?
He allowed for options to manifest themselves.
Now! In His "Good Pleasure", when He sees fit that enough time (as we know time) has expired? These anti Most High options, will no longer be applicable, and thus be destroyed! Like some idea one might have written down on paper. And no longer viable? Taken to the trash can and burnt!
That's the why these "options" are still around!
But isn't it similar how the Angel have freewill just like how Adam and Eve have.
 

Nehemiah6

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But wasn't God was the one who made serpent?
Yes, God created serpents and dragons. That does not mean that evil spirits cannot possess them and use them for their evil purposes.
 
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Ok we know that everything in the bible isn't in the act order especially the days.
Before Heaven and Earth were made. We know that before everything was made there were darkness according to the 1 days. The Earth didn't have any form. However in revelations there were war in Heaven between the Angel and the Dragon.
It said that the Dragon was the deceiver of the world and it called Satan. He was thrown down the earth with his angel.

According to revelations the ancient dragons is a serpent. According to Genesis the serpent is know to be crafted among the beast that God has created.

Satan can disguise himself as the angel of light.

Also Angel who has sin were thrown down to hell. Angel who didn't hold in their position were thrown down in the bottom of pits. They were to be held in chain until judgement day.

Also Lucifer is know to be cherubs who was part of Garden of Eden. Lucifer name mean moring star. Lucifer wanted to ascend the star.

I have a theory that both Lucifer and the Serpent aren't the same person. Because how was Lucifer able to change himself and become a devils. If Lucifer was know to be holy and cherubs. While the serpent who is know to be ancient dragons, a demon and a satan is able disguise himself as an angel. They are both different species or creation that were made by God.

We don't know much about Lucifer.

Also the serpent had his own angel and was able to disguise himself as angel. Also the serpent is able go before God according to Job story.


Satan also is known to be the ruler of the world and a God.
According to the the story when Satan is tempting Jesus. He said if u bow down and worship me I will give you everything in this world. Satan happens to be the dark prince.
Satan can disguise himself as the angel of light.
without body, it is impossible for him to deceive humans

so serpent was one of the possibilities in that time ( there was no other humans except Adam and Eve that he could use to be his vessel , A and E were “vessels unto honour ” in God’s eyes ), and without any real action he surely shall never be able to be judged in the last day judgment Rev20:12-13 .

Rom9:21“Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?” (Ro 9:21 AV)



Rev20:12“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” (Re 20:12 AV)



Rev20:13“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” (Re 20:13 AV)





It was a necessity that there should be Eden story , before God can send His people /the chosen/ vessels of mercy Rom9:23 to sojourn to this perishable world for their growth 1Pet1:17 , then finally can meet His greath plan about the goal of creation Isa43:7 , so in other words Eden story = the format of this perishable earth ( there is only one species with exponential growing rate in knowledge among others with utterly none).



Rom9:23“And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,” (Ro 9:23 AV)



1Pet1:17“And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:” (1Pe 1:17 AV)



Isa43:7“Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.” (Isa 43:7 AV)
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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There are:
young earth creationists (each day of creation = 24hours)
and
day-age creationists (each day of creation = a long period of time)

Re-read Genesis 2 and you should see there was a significant amount of time that elapsed from when Adam was created to when Eve was created.
1) Before Eve came Adam had to "work and keep" the garden. It typically takes a season or longer to keep a garden.
2) Upon Eve's arrival Adam said, "at last".
This phrase "at last" means "after much delay".

Also were Adam and Eve were the only first human beings on the human beings on earth why did god say that he made male and female images on the god say to them to multiply before the 6 days before Adam was made?
 
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Ok we know that everything in the bible isn't in the act order especially the days.
Before Heaven and Earth were made. We know that before everything was made there were darkness according to the 1 days. The Earth didn't have any form. However in revelations there were war in Heaven between the Angel and the Dragon.
It said that the Dragon was the deceiver of the world and it called Satan. He was thrown down the earth with his angel.

According to revelations the ancient dragons is a serpent. According to Genesis the serpent is know to be crafted among the beast that God has created.

Satan can disguise himself as the angel of light.

Also Angel who has sin were thrown down to hell. Angel who didn't hold in their position were thrown down in the bottom of pits. They were to be held in chain until judgement day.

Also Lucifer is know to be cherubs who was part of Garden of Eden. Lucifer name mean moring star. Lucifer wanted to ascend the star.

I have a theory that both Lucifer and the Serpent aren't the same person. Because how was Lucifer able to change himself and become a devils. If Lucifer was know to be holy and cherubs. While the serpent who is know to be ancient dragons, a demon and a satan is able disguise himself as an angel. They are both different species or creation that were made by God.

We don't know much about Lucifer.

Also the serpent had his own angel and was able to disguise himself as angel. Also the serpent is able go before God according to Job story.


Satan also is known to be the ruler of the world and a God.
According to the the story when Satan is tempting Jesus. He said if u bow down and worship me I will give you everything in this world. Satan happens to be the dark prince.
God changed Abram's name to Abraham to identify his new character following God, and he is the father of many nations, and Sarai's name to Sarah, which she had Isaac, and Jacob's name to Israel, which is God's chosen nation, and people, and changed Simon Barjona's name to Peter, which he was the very first person to be added to the Church after Christ, and Saul's name to Paul who was sent to the Gentiles to preach to them salvation.

Big game changers in the plan of God for humanity, so their name was changed to identify their new character in the Lord.

Jesus did not need a name change for He is God manifest in the flesh, always led of the Spirit, and perfect before God at all times.

Satan is Lucifer, and the Bible says that he was created perfect in his ways until iniquity was found in him, so when he fell he could not keep the same name, but had to assume another name given by God to identify his new character, which was Satan.

God said His name identifies His character, which Solomon said the heaven, and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God, so how can a house made by man be a dwelling place for Him, and God said His name shall be there, and He placed His name in Jerusalem, and in the Old Testament Jehovah, physical deliverance, and in the New Testament Jesus, spiritual deliverance.

And Jesus has a name that no person knows but only Him, which would identify Him further than what we can know about Him, for we cannot know all there is to know about God concerning His wisdom, and power, and attributes that we can never know, and cannot attain to some things.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

The Bible states that Lucifer wanted to ascend in to heaven, and to exalt himself above the stars of God, and be like the most High receiving worship, but God cast him down, and says that he weakened the nations, and that is because he is Satan that was trying to manipulate mankind after he fell, until he causes the world to rebel against God in the future as the New Age Christ, man of sin, which God will then end this sin business on earth.

And when the people that followed Lucifer realize that he was really not powerful, and who he claimed he was, which he will claim to be God by harnessing the power of nature, and obtained power, evolved, they will say is this the man that made the earth to tremble, and we thought he was something special, and his kingdom on earth would go on forever, but they realize he is as weak as them when Jesus puts down Lucifer.

Lucifer is Satan.

And Satan is not a God, but the god of this world concerning the sin of it, and also money can be considered a god for Jesus said you can not have 2 masters for you cannot serve God and money, which the love of money is the root of all evil, for it neglects the poor and needy.

And also the war in Revelation 12 in heaven between Michael and his angels, and the dragon and his angels, has not happened yet, but God will give the world 7 years to have their way, and cause all people who do not love Him to follow the New Age Christ, Lucifer, and when they do then repentance, and salvation, are no longer available to the Gentiles, and God will end this sin business on earth, and the kingdom restored to Israel for God turned them to the truth.

The nations will come together and try to establish peace on earth, and for the first three and one half years repentance, and salvation, are available to the world as God gives them a chance to leave off their agenda of evolution, and believing they can still evolve through the power of nature to be greater, and spiritual.

At the end of the first three and one half years God said they will not repent of their sins, and turn to Him, so He gives them the man of sin, New Age Christ, to rule over them, and Satan is the prince of the power of the air, but war will break out in heaven, and the dragon and his angels will be cast to the earth which becomes their holding cell, for the earth becomes the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

And Lucifer who is Satan will deceive all people who do not love God to follow the beast kingdom, which is the strong delusion that God will send all people who do not love the truth, and they will be deceived by a devil, and follow the New Age Christ.

Continued,
 
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Continued,

Some people are looking at Lucifer as not being antagonistic, and not the bad guy, and not being Satan, but that is a deception.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God warns the saints of the new age movement that have a false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, and nature worship, and evolution, which they believe people can still evolve to be greater, and spiritual, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process, and love, and an ascended master, and avatar, and do not acknowledge a personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, and the New Age Christ, antichrist, that is to come in the future is the final teacher in the evolutionary process.

Alice Bailey, a big prophet of the new age movement, and interpreted the Bible according to the occult, and evolution, and an admirer of Madam Blavatsky who said that Satan is both God and the devil, believes that Lucifer descended from the planet Venus years ago, thus the fall as they interpret it, to bring the principle of mind to the then animal-man, and will help them to evolve to be spiritual in the future.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and when the nations come together the new age movement will be the unified religious system with all religions interpreted by them based on the occult, and evolution, and the time that the world will not want to endure sound doctrine, but want to hear the Bible according to the new age movement, and will lead the people that do not love God to the New Age Christ, who is Lucifer, the dragon, where they will rebel against God, and then it is over for sin on earth.

Lucifer wanted to be like the most High, and receive worship, but God cast him down, and said he has punishment coming to be given in due time after he deceives the people that do not love God, then he will be in the bottomless pit for a 1000 years, and then the lake of fire.

Lucifer has to have a new name to identify his character after he fell for the name Lucifer was given when he was created perfect in his ways, but then iniquity was found in him, and he rebelled, and his name became Satan to identify his new character of being evil.

We know by reading the Bible that God is an awesome God, an omnipresent Spirit that no one can hide from Him, and He is all powerful that nothing can hurt Him, for He cannot blow up, cannot disintegrate, cannot evaporate, cannot fall apart, but nothing of the physical world no matter how much force, even the force of a 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 megaton nuclear weapon cannot do anything to Him.

And all else is physical matter that God can assemble, and disassemble, at any time He wants, and Lucifer is nothing but a mere angel that is of no threat to God at all, and God said that the nations are nothing to Him, and less than nothing.

Now how could anybody ever want to go against a God like that for that is scary power.

We know by the Bible how awesome God is and we do not want to go against Him, which the Bible says it is a fearful thing to fall in to the hands of the living God being not with Him.

So what caused Lucifer to think that he could prosper against God, and exalt himself to be like the most High, and receive worship, when God is so awesome, and an omnipresent Spirit.

Because obviously Lucifer did not know how awesome God is, and God did not reveal it to him.

God is an invisible Spirit that angels, and people, cannot see unless He shows them a visible manifestation of Himself, and Jesus is God's visible relationship to the saints for the saints are human, so God must of shown a visible manifestation to the angels by being in an angelic body.

And Lucifer did not know how awesome God is and that He is an omnipresent Spirit, and his relationship to God was God in an angelic body, so Lucifer thought is that all there is to God that being I see before me, and he thought he had a chance to exalt himself, and be like the most High, and receive worship.

But he found out that God is awesome as he was kicked out of the third heaven, and the devils believe there is one God, and they tremble, and the devils said to Jesus will you torment us before the time, and when the dragon is cast to earth in the future he is mad for he knows he has a short time, and then he will be punished.

Lucifer is Satan, and the new age movement the future for this sinful world, and the new age movement is the beginning of the end for the wicked, and they will await the New Age Christ, Lucifer, but when they realize they were deceived, and he was not powerful at all when Jesus puts him down, they will say is this the man that made the earth to tremble, but he is the same as us not powerful at all.

Some people think that Lucifer refers to the king of Babylon, but the king did not fall from heaven, did not try to exalt himself above the stars of God, and to be like the most High, for all the kings honored gods above them, and king Nebuchadnezzar said that the God of Israel is the God of gods, the greatest God, and proclaimed throughout his kingdom to acknowledge the God of Israel, and if anybody said anything against Him they would be cut in pieces, and their house made a dunghill, and praised and extolled the God of Israel until the day he died.

And the king of Babylon did not make the earth to tremble for he only ruled over a small area compared to the world, where the New Age Christ, the beast, has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, and the ten horns, the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section that rule before the New Age Christ, shall devour the whole world, tread it down, and break it in pieces, and they hand their power over to the New Age Christ, and he gets control of the world.
 
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I have questions are the Satan and Lucifer the same person or thet are different person?
My view...Lucifer was his name in his heavenly form and then fell to become the devil and Satan...and he was also the serpent in the garden.....it is possible he possessed the snake, just as legion possessed the hogs.....you cannot over look Genesis 3:15.....the seed of the woman being Jesus and the seed of the serpent being the Anti-Christ who gets his power from the devil........and lest we forget the words devil and or Satan are titles or names.....the advasary and the accuser...!
 

calibob

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My view...Lucifer was his name in his heavenly form and then fell to become the devil and Satan...and he was also the serpent in the garden.....it is possible he possessed the snake, just as legion possessed the hogs.....you cannot over look Genesis 3:15.....the seed of the woman being Jesus and the seed of the serpent being the Anti-Christ who gets his power from the devil........and lest we forget the words devil and or Satan are titles or names.....the advasary and the accuser...!
If Lucifer is our accuser (and he is). Jesus is our defender. Contrary to modern courts and judges the accuser works for himself and the defender works for the Judge, (the Father.) The devil will never win and he knows it. His goal is not to save us, rather to send as many as he can ahead of him, into the lake of fire.
 
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amberlynlover7

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I thought the serpent was a beast not a talking snake. Also demon are capable possession animal. Remember the demon went to the pig.



without body, it is impossible for him to deceive humans

so serpent was one of the possibilities in that time ( there was no other humans except Adam and Eve that he could use to be his vessel , A and E were “vessels unto honour ” in God’s eyes ), and without any real action he surely shall never be able to be judged in the last day judgment Rev20:12-13 .

Rom9:21“Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?” (Ro 9:21 AV)



Rev20:12“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” (Re 20:12 AV)



Rev20:13“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” (Re 20:13 AV)





It was a necessity that there should be Eden story , before God can send His people /the chosen/ vessels of mercy Rom9:23 to sojourn to this perishable world for their growth 1Pet1:17 , then finally can meet His greath plan about the goal of creation Isa43:7 , so in other words Eden story = the format of this perishable earth ( there is only one species with exponential growing rate in knowledge among others with utterly none).



Rom9:23“And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,” (Ro 9:23 AV)



1Pet1:17“And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:” (1Pe 1:17 AV)



Isa43:7“Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.” (Isa 43:7 AV)
 
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UnderGrace

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Lucifer was never the "morning star" that is a tale from Gnosticism and Luciferians

Isaiah 14 12-17
 
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So wee's sposed to just take your word for it.
Well you are the first to pay attention. :)

Do you think the reference in Isaiah is to Satan?
 

calibob

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I thought the serpent was a beast not a talking snake. Also demon are capable possession animal. Remember the demon went to the pig.
I don't take the story as in literal terms at all. It think it's an allegory, like a parable. Just like informants are called rats sneaky deceivers are called snakes. Lucifer translates (I was taught) into shining one. Some people think he was the angel of light and the curse to crawl on his belly was his sentence to remain on earth Gen 3 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.” refers to the Lords crucifixion and Satan's ultimate demise.
 
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obedienttogod

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Ok we know that everything in the bible isn't in the act order especially the days.
Before Heaven and Earth were made. We know that before everything was made there were darkness according to the 1 days. The Earth didn't have any form. However in revelations there were war in Heaven between the Angel and the Dragon.
It said that the Dragon was the deceiver of the world and it called Satan. He was thrown down the earth with his angel.

According to revelations the ancient dragons is a serpent. According to Genesis the serpent is know to be crafted among the beast that God has created.

Satan can disguise himself as the angel of light.

Also Angel who has sin were thrown down to hell. Angel who didn't hold in their position were thrown down in the bottom of pits. They were to be held in chain until judgement day.

Also Lucifer is know to be cherubs who was part of Garden of Eden. Lucifer name mean moring star. Lucifer wanted to ascend the star.

I have a theory that both Lucifer and the Serpent aren't the same person. Because how was Lucifer able to change himself and become a devils. If Lucifer was know to be holy and cherubs. While the serpent who is know to be ancient dragons, a demon and a satan is able disguise himself as an angel. They are both different species or creation that were made by God.

We don't know much about Lucifer.

Also the serpent had his own angel and was able to disguise himself as angel. Also the serpent is able go before God according to Job story.


Satan also is known to be the ruler of the world and a God.
According to the the story when Satan is tempting Jesus. He said if u bow down and worship me I will give you everything in this world. Satan happens to be the dark prince.




LUCIFER is not even a REAL NAME, it's an add on to the Book of Isaiah. The Book of Isaiah (written in 100% Hebrew/Aramaic) is literally 700 years older than the Latin Vulgate Language. Why does this matter? Because, the word LUCIFER is a Latin Vulgate word, not HEBREW/ARAMAIC.

This means that Isaiah NEVER wrote or used the word LUCIFER....
It means the Romans (Catholic Church) added the word LUCIFER to our Bible.

So, to call the Adversary (Devil - Satan) LUCIFER, means the Adversary would look at you and LAUGH AT YOU!!
Why?
Because LUCIFER is a FAKE NAME!!
 

calibob

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LUCIFER is not even a REAL NAME, it's an add on to the Book of Isaiah. The Book of Isaiah (written in 100% Hebrew/Aramaic) is literally 700 years older than the Latin Vulgate Language. Why does this matter? Because, the word LUCIFER is a Latin Vulgate word, not HEBREW/ARAMAIC.

This means that Isaiah NEVER wrote or used the word LUCIFER....
It means the Romans (Catholic Church) added the word LUCIFER to our Bible.

So, to call the Adversary (Devil - Satan) LUCIFER, means the Adversary would look at you and LAUGH AT YOU!!
Why?
Because LUCIFER is a FAKE NAME!!
Perhaps it's just a description. It would seem to fit the angel that appeared to Joseph Smith and twisted scripture and developed the Book of Mormon and another false religion, pretending to be Christian.
 
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LUCIFER is not even a REAL NAME, it's an add on to the Book of Isaiah. The Book of Isaiah (written in 100% Hebrew/Aramaic) is literally 700 years older than the Latin Vulgate Language. Why does this matter? Because, the word LUCIFER is a Latin Vulgate word, not HEBREW/ARAMAIC.

This means that Isaiah NEVER wrote or used the word LUCIFER....
It means the Romans (Catholic Church) added the word LUCIFER to our Bible.

So, to call the Adversary (Devil - Satan) LUCIFER, means the Adversary would look at you and LAUGH AT YOU!!
Why?
Because LUCIFER is a FAKE NAME!!

Exactly!!:) He was never the morning star, the passage is not about him.

The RCC, the organization that keeps on giving.:(