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amberlynlover7
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1 Timothy 4:1
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
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1 Timothy 4:1
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
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amberlynlover7
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James 2:19
You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!
Matthew 12:43-45
When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, but finds none. Then it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when it comes, it finds the house empty, swept, and put in order. Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they enter and dwell there, and the last state of that person is worse than the first. So also will it be with this evil generation.”.
Matthew 8:28-34
And when he came to the other side, to the country of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men met him, coming out of the tombs, so fierce that no one could pass that way. And behold, they cried out, “What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?” Now a herd of many pigs was feeding at some distance from them. And the demons begged him, saying, “If you cast us out, send us away into the herd of pigs.” And he said to them, “Go.” So they came out and went into the pigs, and behold, the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and drowned in the waters
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amberlynlover7
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Revelation 12:7-9
Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down
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amberlynlover7
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But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”
Jude 1:9
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever
Revelation 20:10
Revelation 12:9
that ancient serpent, who is called the devil
Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made.
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amberlynlover7
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Luke 10:18
And he said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Job 1:7
The Lord said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”
Revelation 20:2
and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
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amberlynlover7
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If they are the same person? Then why do they have different name and different meaning of them in the bible? Along different verse about them I believe that they are different from each other. They all happens to be God enemies. And we only that God have created the devil which is known to be ancient serpent the same serpent who also known to be the garden of Eden.
Satan can disgusted himself as light of angel. He seem to have power or control to kill or destroyed people. Remember the story of Job he actually created a tornado that kill Job son and daughter. He also seem capable disease on people. Remember how Job got boil on his skin by Satan. It also said that he have his own angel. Who they both have fallen on the Earth.
We know that the serpent is a beast who is also known as a Devil. That is crafted and is able to talk. Which God had made.
The Dragon was the one who made war against the Heavens between the Angel.
Demon can possessive people because they have evil spirits.
Genesis 1:1-I-31 is of the natural creation and pertains unto it as all was laid out and spoken unto being this was from the perspective of God and in God's time which is not the same time as time is unto the creation of the natural Earth and all that exists in its natural state.
Creation was not witnessed in its creating time by any natural man, all that were brought into the visible carried forth their instilled instincts God spoke into their being even though they knew Him not nor heard Him.
The same it was for the waters placements and the birds and plants and seeds as well as the cylces or seasons that would bring all forth in time and in their times without any that is brought forth by man in its creation, it was brought forth to sustain man so the natural man could live and multiply.
Man would be as the animals and plants and such, what God spoke that man would behold man would behold unto that in which man never heard him self. By natural alone it was created in his being like natural instinct is.
All that is for hearing the Words of God came not during the days of God's works of creation that would come later and has nothing to do with the natural things of flesh, it comes unto the things of Spirit not the things of natural substance.
That is why there was no man to fallow or till the ground that was not of the same ground the natural man was formed from and of.
That was of the Spirit and required the ability of the natural man to hear the Word of God and come to understand it.
That is a completely new creature and life that is not the life of the natural man of flesh.
It is life that is of the eternal and made for such that is everlasting and fit for eternal life.
After the 6th day and not of the natural comes the works of The Spirit.
Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
John 6:68
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1 Corinthians 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:48
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1 Corinthians 15:49
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:15
Matthew 3:11
John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2
The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 9:39
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Matthew 13:13
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
There is a difference even unto this day between those who reject the Word and those who do not, those who do not hear it and those who do.
This was so even in the beginning.
The natural is not spiritual it is not a new creature of the new spirit that is not of the natural spirit state.
Even the natural man can be compared to a serpent and has when he hears the Word not and Rejects it and wrestles with it when he does and desires rather to take it away or do away with and take things off unto his own way and words instead, which is a lie of the natural man.
With hate of not only of the Word but the Lord and God that those Words are of and from.
They can even be deemed as going the same way as their father Satan or the devil for doing such.
This is the removing of that which was of the natural earth and natural man.
This was for the taking of the Kingdom up and unto the Eternal/Spirit realm and unto the Spirit of God and unto His who come to be of a new Spirit and creature in Him and by Him and His Word which was Truth and Life there in it for all who believe in Him and His Word.
This new Kingdom cannot be broken into by natural man or natural man's spirit of the flesh and natural world.
It is not the old Way of the natural man and natural world. It is through Spirit and Truth which is the Word of God unto all that can receive it.
This was the disolving and removing of the old that was and it is finished as so.
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceive the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
There is a difference between those things visible and those things not visible, they are divided rightly so.
Creation was not witnessed in its creating time by any natural man, all that were brought into the visible carried forth their instilled instincts God spoke into their being even though they knew Him not nor heard Him.
The same it was for the waters placements and the birds and plants and seeds as well as the cylces or seasons that would bring all forth in time and in their times without any that is brought forth by man in its creation, it was brought forth to sustain man so the natural man could live and multiply.
Man would be as the animals and plants and such, what God spoke that man would behold man would behold unto that in which man never heard him self. By natural alone it was created in his being like natural instinct is.
All that is for hearing the Words of God came not during the days of God's works of creation that would come later and has nothing to do with the natural things of flesh, it comes unto the things of Spirit not the things of natural substance.
That is why there was no man to fallow or till the ground that was not of the same ground the natural man was formed from and of.
That was of the Spirit and required the ability of the natural man to hear the Word of God and come to understand it.
That is a completely new creature and life that is not the life of the natural man of flesh.
It is life that is of the eternal and made for such that is everlasting and fit for eternal life.
After the 6th day and not of the natural comes the works of The Spirit.
Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
John 6:68
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:46
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1 Corinthians 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:48
As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1 Corinthians 15:49
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:15
Matthew 3:11
John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2
The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5
And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 9:39
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Matthew 13:13
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
There is a difference even unto this day between those who reject the Word and those who do not, those who do not hear it and those who do.
This was so even in the beginning.
The natural is not spiritual it is not a new creature of the new spirit that is not of the natural spirit state.
Even the natural man can be compared to a serpent and has when he hears the Word not and Rejects it and wrestles with it when he does and desires rather to take it away or do away with and take things off unto his own way and words instead, which is a lie of the natural man.
With hate of not only of the Word but the Lord and God that those Words are of and from.
They can even be deemed as going the same way as their father Satan or the devil for doing such.
This is the removing of that which was of the natural earth and natural man.
This was for the taking of the Kingdom up and unto the Eternal/Spirit realm and unto the Spirit of God and unto His who come to be of a new Spirit and creature in Him and by Him and His Word which was Truth and Life there in it for all who believe in Him and His Word.
This new Kingdom cannot be broken into by natural man or natural man's spirit of the flesh and natural world.
It is not the old Way of the natural man and natural world. It is through Spirit and Truth which is the Word of God unto all that can receive it.
This was the disolving and removing of the old that was and it is finished as so.
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceive the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
There is a difference between those things visible and those things not visible, they are divided rightly so.
This is the power of the Word of God who is a spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Hebrews 11:5
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
We only need to believe in Him and His Word with all our heart mind and soul.
What we truly believe in is our Faith it is the substance of our Faith and came by coming to know the Word of God through hearing and reading it our own selves.
1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
Hebrews 11:5
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
We only need to believe in Him and His Word with all our heart mind and soul.
What we truly believe in is our Faith it is the substance of our Faith and came by coming to know the Word of God through hearing and reading it our own selves.
To summarize.....Lucifer was translated from the Hebrew word Halel and is no different in scope than the word rapture which is not found in scripture but used to describe a particular event........
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obedienttogod
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It might be in your Bible, but it isn't in mine. I don't primarily use the KJV.
Your earlier assertion was this: "For one, here is concrete evidence the RCC has messed with the translation and our Bible."
The presence of the word "Lucifer" in the KJV is not evidence that "the RCC has messed with the translation". Rather, it is evidence that a Latin version was used somewhere in the thread of sources leading to the KJV. While both are claimed by the RCC, neither Jerome nor Erasmus were, themselves, "the RCC". Though he was a priest, Erasmus' translation was an independent effort, not an RCC church effort. So, your assertion is refuted.
Your present assertion is that "the word Lucifer was added to our Canon".
It wasn't added; it is a transliteration from a language other than Hebrew. "Baptize" is a transliteration as well, in this case from Greek. For the word to be considered "added", there would have to be an absence of a corresponding word in Hebrew. An example of an actual addition is the word "unknown" in the KJV of 1 Corinthians 14:2, or the words, "the brother of" in the KJV of 2 Samuel 21:19. Those words have no correspondence in the source language manuscripts.
It so happens to also be in the online kjv as well. Even the Concordances (Youngs and Strongs) have it listed. The term Lucifer can be found in several places related to biblical scripture.
In other words, just because it is not listed in your Bible does not mean squat, when it is listed in other versions plus can be found in the Bible's basic THESAURUS/DICTIONARY (the Concordance of the Bible) of the Bible.
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obedienttogod
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The original Hebrew Language does not call the Devil by a name, they call him the "Adversary."
The word Devil - Satan are ADDED names just like Lucifer. If you met the real deal Adversary, You do like Michael does in the Book of Jude...he does not call him anything but proclaims, "The Lord Rebuke's Thee!!"
Bottom line, we have the original Hebrew (Torah = Old Testament) as our guide in these matters. And the Hebrew calls him the "Adversary."
So, anywhere you read in the Bible the names (Satan - Devil - Lucifer), that really should read, the "Adversary."
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Locoponydirtman
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amberlynlover7
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Ya I'm saying that I use to be a Christian. People who saw my recent post about how I say life is hard. Think I'm some part of cult because I use mediation law of attraction and subliminal. However I stop using subliminal since I heard how people can say negative affirmation.
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obedienttogod
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Why do you meditate?
Do you have focus issues?
You very well could just turn that into praying while thinking of the things you meditate upon.
Wow... you really showed me. I guess I should humbly bow out of the conversation, having been so completely out of step with reality.
Before I do though, I'll mention that concordances (Strong's and Young's included) are compendia of words used in Scripture. I'm not so familiar with Young's, but Strong's lists every word found in... the KJV. The presence of "Lucifer" in Strong's is therefore absolutely irrelevant to the discussion. Young's was first published in 1879, so it likely used the KJV as well. Also, it is common knowledge in the field that, in the case of proper names, many older modern translations in English follow those found in the KJV, out of familiarity. Finally, it's rather ridiculous to argue that because a word is found in an online version of a particular Bible translation, that somehow provides additional weight to the argument. It doesn't... in the least.
Your position is still groundless.
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amberlynlover7
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I just use mediation for calm and relaxation as I hear instrumental sound such as waterfalls or piano.
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obedienttogod
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I am not attempting anything towards you, other than pointing out resources that include the term, Lucifer. You claim it is a null and void situation, yet millions of believers actually think the head fallen angel's name is Lucifer. The creator of this thread was convinced Lucifer was his name and many from this site assumed the same thing. You go to any church and pay attention to the sermon. In enough times, eventually that pastor/preacher will even speak as if Lucifer is his name.
It might be a done deal for You and I since we understand and know better when it concerns Lucifer. But churches are packed weekly, full of God fearing believers, that actually believe Lucifer is his name. So in reality, it is an actual problem. It's not a problem concerning their salvation or walk in God, but a problem that they actually do not know who their real enemy is. And their real enemy has no name that we are aware of. Even the Hebrews who wrote the Torah scrolls clarify this by referring to him as, "the Adversary."
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obedienttogod
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Many moons ago, I used to meditate my kata. Loved the idealism behind "mind over matter." But the closer I got to God and grew in Him, the less those other interests I had seem to be. But I definitely understand why you meditate.
As you say, it isn't a salvation issue. It's not even an issue for "knowing who the real enemy is", because if people connect "devil," "satan," "adversary," and "accuser" with "Lucifer", they aren't far wrong. Is it technically correct? No. Does it matter for about 99% of believers? Probably not.
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Locoponydirtman
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2 things, it don't seem to be working for you, and I meditate as well. I just meditate on scripture which is biblical and scripture is the foundation of all truth.
The problem with meditation law of attraction is the cognitive dissonance that one must engage in. Which is shown to cause real long term psychological damage and physical damage to the brain it self. Especially when one uses an affirmation in place of correction.
I prefer the absolute truth of Jesus Christ to the subjective truth of fallible men.