Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

once again, NO ONE IS SAYING THAT THESE THINGS ARE O>K>.

jeez, man , what is your problem?

go find someone who says these things, and argue with them.

no one here is saying them.

They have nothing but false accusations because the word clearly hammers their dogmas........end of story....No one states the crap they peddle....and yet, without knowing our lives the constantly accuse us of living in sin or disobedience without ONE MICRO GRAM OF PROOF......that is the difference between hypocritical liars and those in the truth.....we judge their dogmas by the word and they judge our lives by their own bias opinion without facts........same crap the Pharisees and lawyers did!

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Not to mention he flat lied about me...just another deceiver peddling another self saving obedience laced false gospel......one of the MANY I might add......Lord Lord was'nt I obedient and did many things in your name......Saul was guiltless outwardly concerning the law and was uncondemnable....HE OBEYED EVERY JOT AND TITTLE OUTWARDLY and was as lost as they come.....as all Modern day pharisees are!!

What is the difference between following an argument or backing an individual?
One does not care about the truth, you just back the person especially if you hate the opposition.

Jesus is always interested in the truth and opening doors for people to know Him better.
So gb9 moans that John is quoted about obeying the commands but the verse goes on to explain what
he meant but was not quoted. The accusation was the poster was lying.

gb9 had not read the following verses. John says we should walk like Jesus.

The problem is this will not even register as a rebuke about slander, lying and reality.
No, because the mindset is so fixed, ofcourse the other party is evil and ones own side is right.

But who is our loyalty to? God, who He is and His word.
What amazes me about His word is it opens up all the time and says the same things.
Jesus died to make the prisoner free. By walking in His ways, giving up ones life you will gain
the life of heaven on earth and into eternity. I have seen His words come true, the doors opening,
the realities falling into place, the relationships established and His blessing fall.

But the first step is faith and trust, believing the cross says enough that you can trust Him.
Not a I believe a set of ideas, but my heart is locked into Him and I will die if it fails, but
He can deliver me. It is this deep and this hard, going from this world into eternity.

I have preached over my whole christian life, Jesus is love, Jesus is life. If you take Him at His word
the King of glory will meet you. Do you know who is promising this? Do you know the privilege we
have? He takes the weak, the rejected, the despised, the lonely, the empty, the broken and makes
them whole. He is the greatest being in all creation, our creator, our Lord and our Saviour, Amen.

 

[dcontroversal]

It's hard to take the truth....
Bye!

Why not tell us all the truth Fran.....like the truth you were banned once and are now here breaking the rules pushing obedience while in disobedience....start there...show us some integrity and honesty.....!!!

 

[justpassinthrough]

Funny he peddlez that garbage....the one's surprised are those that peddled exactly wjat he peddles....Lord, Lord have we not done blah blah blah in your name.......the workers for, salvation losers and obedience self savers.....they will be the surprised ones......


You know, lying does not prove your cause......and your right in this aspect...people like you that devalue Christ, his promises, his power by peddling your self saving straight from the pit lie...I despise!!!!

So....keep peddling and see how far you get from the Many that push the same cheap watered down dogma you peddle.....Your destiny is sealed....found under the banner of the MANY!

So you are saying I’m going to lose my salvation ?




JPT

 

[Argueless]

... It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. THE LORD WILL PUNISH MEN FOR ALL SUCH SINS, as we have already told you and WARNED YOU. For GOD DID NOT CALL YOU TO BE IMPURE, BUT TO LIVE A HOLY LIFE. Therefore, HE WHO REJECTS THIS INSTRUCTION DOES NOT REJECT MAN BUT GOD, who gives you his Holy Spirit. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8

... Therefore, PREPARE YOUR MINDS FOR ACTION; be self-controlled; SET YOUR HOPE FULLY ON THE GRACE TO BE GIVEN YOU WHEN JESUS CHRIST IS REVEALED. As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:13-16

... But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

...I know your deeds, you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.2 Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE IN THE SIGHT OF MY GOD.3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT, AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3

...See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, IF WE TURN AWAY FROM HIM WHO WARNS US FROM HEAVEN? Hebrews 12:25

 

[justpassinthrough]

Feel sorry for yourself pal....you are the one that has no trust or faith in the work of Christ on our behalf....My handicapped son knows more about the truth than you do......!!

Here is who will receive eternal life on that Day -



eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; Romans 2:7



JPT

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Why not tell us all the truth Fran.....like the truth you were banned once and are now here breaking the rules pushing obedience while in disobedience....start there...show us some integrity and honesty.....!!!

It is ironic, Jesus says simply He came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it.
It stood most of my life in Christ as a question, did Jesus mean the law is gone or He is empowering
others to fulfil the law?

Paul answers this that love fulfils the law. Now if ones heart is cold and hard, love is just a forced
emotion towards people who are just about ok, but grudgingly you give them attention.

But if Jesus has broken in, reformed you, remade your foundations, your reactions, your aspirations,
your time energy and focus, the love you share is the law fulfilled.

Now to those with closed hearts, who fail constantly, and any measure is such an effort to even get
up to try, the law is an impossible burden, and every man woman and child on the planet has to agree
this is the state of everyone, except it is not. That is why the church and His people shine like lights,
testimony to open hearts shinning in His love.

So all this legalistic point scoring, rule setting, judgeing, abuse, slander, accusations of lies and
fraud are just nails in the coffin of someone without victory or love flowing in abandon.
Passion is not the song, just swing the sword and break them down.

But we my friend will die to say Jesus loves you and can change you into His likeness, through the
cross, that the power of the cross knows no limits to those who believe Him, that He is the Son of
God, not a theological idea, but flesh and blood, able to save to eternity and make us children
of the living God, perfect as He is perfect, through His will and His power.

That is an eternal promise, and the power of the impossible to conquer sin, heal the bitterness
and hate, and cleanse us of all that is impure, to present us righteous before His throne. Amen.

 

[justpassinthrough]

Physical rest on this earth in the land, but you are too immersed in a false dogma to see that truth....they were already delivered from bondage by the blood and faith.....get your facts straight

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15



Do you understand what “his brother” refers to?



JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

Abraham was declared RIGHTEOUS AND JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD BY FAITH without OBEDIENCE TO ONE LAW OR COMMAND

You couldn’t be more wrong.



Now the Lord had said to Abram:
“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
So Abram departed...
Genesis 12:1-4



The obedience of faith in action.



Paul says it this way of this incident.


And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” Galatians 3:8



Now Hebrews of the same incident, that foreshadows salvation by the obedience of faith.



By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. Hebrews 11:8





Case Closed.



No obedience. No faith.


Know Obedience. Know Faith.




JPT

 

[dcontroversal]

I was saved and grew up baptist. Was a member of many baptist churches. They never believed in the presence of the eucharist or any of the other sacrmants being required to be saved.

Amen....no Baptist churches I know of teaches that garbage.....and I have friends that pastor Baptist churches in probably 15 or more states and at least 4 or 5 different countries.....Landmark Missionary Baptist Churches.......!!

 

[justpassinthrough]

Amen....no Baptist churches I know of teaches that garbage.....and I have friends that pastor Baptist churches in probably 15 or more states and at least 4 or 5 different countries.....Landmark Missionary Baptist Churches.......!!

It’s all the heresy of Calvinism!

 

[dcontroversal]

Good.
Pretty soon it looks like you'll have only yourselves to talk to...
All this "ignore" business is plain silly and childish,,,but if that's how you handle your dislike of others, , , fine. It's not the Christian way....but everyone here says they obey God's commandments and who am I to judge?

I should have everybody on ignore....I get attacked so much for my beliefs which are biblical.

HAHHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAH the last line is hilarious

 

[justpassinthrough]

HAHHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAH the last line is hilarious

Are you angry because you are getting schooled by her?


Don’t hate bro.


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15



Christians who hate no longer have eternal life in them.




JPT

 

[TruthTalk]

Physical rest on this earth in the land, but you are too immersed in a false dogma to see that truth....they were already delivered from bondage by the blood and faith.....get your facts straight

You are 100 percent right Decon, "get your facts straight." Fran has flipped God's rest upside down for those who believe and now she is telling us about "God's Rest; "Maybe it's called good deeds?", again she is always misapplying God's word to our everyday life. "Do not pass go but go directly to jail Fran."

Maybe it's called good deeds?
I do think we should obey God....

Hebrews 4:3, 7
“… only we who believe can enter His rest … but those who first heard this good news
failed to enter because they disobeyed God.”

 

[FollowHisSteps]

But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation--
if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.
Col 1:22-23

And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight,
so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless until the day of Christ,
filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ--to the glory and praise of God.
Phil 1:9-11

Paul wants us to know what is pure and blameless, being filled with the fruit of righteousness.

People are so poluted by the world and defeat, to even think they could be pure and blameless is
like a distant dream, let alone have any value, or being filled with the fruit of righteousness, is
like a alien world, so far removed from constant failure and condemnation, it is another Kingdom.

This thread demonstrates even quoting clear scripture declaring a walk people do not know,
a standard of spiritual knowledge they do not accept, there is no sense of God is asking me to change
to repent, to humble myself and walk in His ways, but rather here are false teachers preaching a
false gospel. No clearer declaration is needed to show the work still awaiting His people to do to
preach, share and testify to millions who go to church and yet do not know spiritual repentant
reality. Praise God the light has come, and the evil doers are being shown the light of His grace,
amen, Halleluyah, For He gives us the victory in Christ Jesus Amen.

 

[dcontroversal]

Totally agree with this.
The minute someone calls on the name of the Lord should be baptised.
No fancy testimony needed.

Then just as important they should then be discipled.

Immersion is the public testimony and outward picture of what has taken place internally by faith....it disassociates one from any generation that perishes and associates one publically with Christ!

 

[dcontroversal]

Not sure about the blood bit.
But I think they were saved by faith and the knew of the coming saviour.

The O.T. pointed to Christ and the shed blood beginning in Genesis 3:15, also the institution of the passover, Abel offered blood in faith of a spotless lamb, the sacrifices etc.....they looked forward to the messiah and without a doubt understood the shed blood for the remission of sins

 

[VCO]

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[dcontroversal]

Can you expand on the above statement for me please.

If I may answer....the bible states clearly to preach the word and let the chips fall where they fall...no where are we commanded to "improve" on God's plan and or institute humanistic reasoning and or tailored fun and games to keep people or get people interested in the truth......those won by the truth will be kept by the truth....if one wants entertainment....go buy a movie ticket.....churches are not social events....nor are they to be reduced to such...the end does not justify the means.....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi E-g, I stand with dcontroversal please do not go we would miss kind and gentle spirit, and your righteous indignation when anyone offends our Savior or the Bible. As God wills we will stand with your decision always.

hey bro. Thanks

I am not sure if you got my email. But basically I have boycotted the three people who were formerly banned, If you respond to them, Even if I like what you say, I will not respond to your post or like what you say, It is sad, Because alot of you have good stuff to say. But I think they should all be ignored.. We should put them back on ban by not responding to them. But we can nto force anyone. And it is not fair for me to get upset if someone wishes to respond.