Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D.

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
"Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D."

this leads us to the question....how long is that chain Jesus put on the devil during our present millineal rule
 
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
The Holy Spirit wrote the bible.
He knows if He SAYS "worldwide/World" some will make it LOCAL and visa viz.
The correct option is built in.
The fact that so much is " optional" leads us (or should) to get revelatory knowledge.
Basically leaning on heaven and each other.
 

Locutus

Senior Member
Feb 10, 2017
5,928
685
113
The Holy Spirit wrote the bible.
He knows if He SAYS "worldwide/World" some will make it LOCAL and visa viz.
The correct option is built in.
The fact that so much is " optional" leads us (or should) to get revelatory knowledge.
Basically leaning on heaven and each other.
The problem with most eschatologies is failure to understand that John's revelation is about a city, "the great city" not a world wide prophecy.

That great city is Jerusalem of the 1st century AD - get this wrong, then your eschatology is wrong.
 

wolfwint

Senior Member
Feb 15, 2014
3,757
936
113
61
"Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D."

this leads us to the question....how long is that chain Jesus put on the devil during our present millineal rule
When do you belive John wrote the book of revealation?
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
The Holy Spirit wrote the bible.
He knows if He SAYS "worldwide/World" some will make it LOCAL and visa viz.
The correct option is built in.
The fact that so much is " optional" leads us (or should) to get revelatory knowledge.
Basically leaning on heaven and each other.
What does this have to do wiht the flood? There is more than just the world and what they is to determine if it was local or worldwide. That was why I was confused by your statement
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
"Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D."

this leads us to the question....how long is that chain Jesus put on the devil during our present millineal rule
1. HE DID NOT COME BACK
2. SATAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE BOUND UNABLE TO DECIEVE during the Mellinial RULE he is not bound at all.. which PROVES we are nto in that reign
 
K

KnowMe

Guest
If you was astute and studied you would know it did not burn down stone walls, it did melt the gold and silver which ran down into the stones and the ROMANS REMOVED EVERY STONE TO GET THE GOLD AND SILVER!!!
wood duh, if you studied you would know the walls were mainly of wood.
 

CS1

Well-known member
May 23, 2012
13,003
4,315
113
Oh yes, very challenging to some peoples belief systems. I have found that people get very angry over FP. I have had other Christians who have known me for a while say, "What is your hope?" or "Are you even a Christian?" or "I think you are up to something and have ulterior motives." Hurtful to hear those things from people who should know you.

It amazes me their reaction. If you say Jesus already came back then that somehow makes you not a Christian in their mind. I think part of it has to do with the escapist mentality taught in churches today. The mentality that says this world is going to hell in a hand basket and we need to escape it. You take away the rapture hope for some people and they seem to get really angry at you and call you all kinds of false things.

I don't care what men, or traditions, or the creeds say. I don't care what other Christians think about me. I still love my brothers and sisters in Christ even if they think I''ve gone off the deep end.

I only care about what the Bible says.
lol no one here is angry LOl
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,401
113
wood duh, if you studied you would know the walls were mainly of wood.
Jesus and the disciples must have not known that truth or have been dense when Jesus referred to them being stone.....you do read the bible right?

Probably not if your reading something that states they were wood.....find the word WOOD in the following verse genius

As He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, "Teacher, behold what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!"
 
K

KnowMe

Guest
Stone with interior wood paneling.
more than paneling actual beams and other supporting structure
Jesus and the disciples must have not known that truth or have been dense when Jesus referred to them being stone.....you do read the bible right?

Probably not if your reading something that states they were wood.....find the word WOOD in the following verse genius

As He was going out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, "Teacher, behold what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!"
I’m going by what you said about the romans burning down, stone sliver and gold do not burn all by them selves unless the heat is that intense, so what would be the fuel for such a fire.
 

tourist

Senior Member
Mar 13, 2014
42,543
17,018
113
69
Tennessee
Since the devil and all with the motb have been thrown into the lof,why are we locking our doors at night?
I am having difficulty deciphering what it is that you are trying to say in response to my post. I always lock my doors at night.
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,401
113
more than paneling actual beams and other supporting structure


I’m going by what you said about the romans burning down, stone sliver and gold do not burn all by them selves unless the heat is that intense, so what would be the fuel for such a fire.
I never said that gold and silver burn, just that the stones were removed by the Romans to get the melted gold and silver......there would have been oil for the lamps, cedar, wood for sacrifice, tapestries etc......and who knows what the Romans did to help with the fire....Josephus writes, but is he a true source seeing how he had sold out to the Romans........I agree beams probably, and cedar paneling.....but my point remains the same.....the stones were removed to get the gold and silver that had melted down into the cracks and crevices.......how ever the temple itself was made of stone
 
K

KnowMe

Guest
I never said that gold and silver burn, just that the stones were removed by the Romans to get the melted gold and silver......there would have been oil for the lamps, cedar, wood for sacrifice, tapestries etc......and who knows what the Romans did to help with the fire....Josephus writes, but is he a true source seeing how he had sold out to the Romans........I agree beams probably, and cedar paneling.....but my point remains the same.....the stones were removed to get the gold and silver that had melted down into the cracks and crevices.......how ever the temple itself was made of stone
hehe your never say a lot things you post. You just post
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,401
113
hehe your never say a lot things you post. You just post
Quote me saying the silver and gold burned....or be found dishonest....that simple...or be right and applogize for your snide false remark!
 

Ahwatukee

Senior Member
Mar 12, 2015
11,159
2,375
113
Oh yes, very challenging to some peoples belief systems. I have found that people get very angry over FP. I have had other Christians who have known me for a while say, "What is your hope?" or "Are you even a Christian?" or "I think you are up to something and have ulterior motives." Hurtful to hear those things from people who should know you.

It amazes me their reaction. If you say Jesus already came back then that somehow makes you not a Christian in their mind.

Hello delirious! The reason for this and which I agree with, is that, by teaching that Jesus has already returned, it makes those believing it and teaching it, false teachers. Case in point: consider the scripture below:

"Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have departed from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some." - 2 Tim.2:16-18

Hymenaeus and Philetus considered themselves Christians. However, because of their false teaching that the resurrection had already taken place, Paul said that they were:

* Ungodly
* That, like a disease, it would spread like gangrene
* They had departed from the truth
* And were destroying the faith of some

The Preterist's (Full) believe that Jesus returned in 70 AD and that the resurrection has already taken place, as well as all end-time events. Because of this, they all fall under the same condemnation as Hymenaeus and Philetus did.

I think part of it has to do with the escapist mentality taught in churches today. The mentality that says this world is going to hell in a hand basket and we need to escape it. You take away the rapture hope for some people and they seem to get really angry at you and call you all kinds of false things.
Jesus is the One who used the words "I will keep you out of the hour of trial." So yes, believers will be escaping that hour of trial, the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. I have found that the majority of people have no idea of the severity and magnitude of what God is going to bring upon the earth. If they did, they wouldn't be claiming that Jesus is going to protect the church on the earth during the time of His wrath. Not to mention that the church is never mentioned again after the end of Revelation 3 and during the entire narrative of God's wrath, which is described in detail from chapters 6 thru 18, with His return revealed in Rev.19:11-21.

With just the four seal and the sixth trumpet a fourth and a third, repectively, over half the earths population will have been killed. And that is not including the fatalities that will result from trumpets 1, 2 and 3, nor the seven bowl judgments. This decimation is supported when Jesus said, "For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened.

So, that time period will be so bad, that if Jesus didn't return when He does, no one would be left alive on the earth.

People can call themselves Christians all they want! But if they are believing and teaching a different word, then that is a big problem. By this teaching that Jesus has already come or that He is going gather His church after His wrath, they don't understand the underlying principle of what the believer has become in Christ. What I mean is that, Jesus suffered God's wrath on behalf of every believer, satisfying if completely. Therefore, since God's wrath has been satisfied, God's wrath no longer rests upon the believer and that because when we believed we were credited with righteousness and reconciled to God.

The same condemnation goes for those who believe and teach that Paul is a false apostle and liar. (See 2 Pet.3:15-16)

Consequently, anyone today who is believing and teaching this about Paul fall under the same condemnation. These people think that they are Christians as well, but are condemned.

And should I go on about those who call themselves Christians who believe and teach that we are still under the law of Moses? Our trust should be solely in what Christ did through His sacrifice and not in our good works, which are the result of faith, not the means of salvation.
 
K

KnowMe

Guest
Quote me saying the silver and gold burned....or be found dishonest....that simple...or be right and applogize for your snide false remark!
Show in scripture that the silver and gold was melted you said that didn’t you?

I trust to apologize to you about as far as I can throw you and that is not very far.
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,401
113
Show in scripture that the silver and gold was melted you said that didn’t you?

I trust to apologize to you about as far as I can throw you and that is not very far.
Nice way to throw the yoke of your dishonesty off.....more proof of your character!!