Teachings of Jesus

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Mar 3, 2019
64
6
8
#1
Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other, Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

What Jesus says is working for money and serving God is not possible. Yes I am saying if you work for a paycheck and you say you serve God, you are disobeying what Jesus says. Jesus says...in Luke 12:22-34

Do Not Worry or Be Fearful
And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what he shall eat; neither for the body, what he shall put on. The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment. Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls? And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take thought for the rest?

To explain Luke 12:22-26
The ravens don’t have jobs or houses, yet God provides everything they need, aren’t you worth much more than these creatures? And who can add more years to themselves? Or there life? Why worry about such things when you can’t even do anything about the least of all these? (Food, shelter, clothes).

Luke 12:27-31 (Continued)
Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and tomorrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith? And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind. For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. But rather seek first the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.

I believe Jesus makes it very clear on what we need to do as Christians, stop serving money (stop working for money, quit your job) stop worrying where your going to get your next meal, or where you are going to sleep, Jesus says the world worry’s about such things, you are not supposed to be a part of this world. Stop relying on money, using money is ok, but working for it is not. Stop putting your faith in a worldly system and preach the Gospel full time, listen to Jesus.

The second to last verse Luke 12:33
Sell what you have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

Do you see what Jesus is saying? Every single Christian did what Jesus commands. There was no special person who didn’t sell all and leave everything, preaching the gospel 24/7. Your job is to preach his word, and he gives you the essentials you need. 1 Timothy 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. Jesus was never a carpenter the only verse you can see is his father being a carpenter in Mark 6:3. Jesus started preaching when he was 12 Year’s old according to scripture, in Luke 42-49. He never served (work for) money, he did use money though, his treasurer was Judas (the one who betrayed him).


Definition of Forsaketh according to Jesus is found in all the gospels, but I am going to use Mark 10:17-21 for this claim.

And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

The definition is clear consistently through all 4 of the gospels. The Word of God has spoken and commands this as a requirement to inherit eternal life with him. Jesus Christ has the ultimate authority in the Bible, the Old Testament does not teach us how to live as Christ did, that is why the New Testament (Jesus Christ’s teachings more importantly) applies to us, hence forth New Testament. Notice Jesus told him he LACKED one thing, now you can say this only applies to the rich man, but that is a lie. It applies to everyone that truly loves Jesus. In the rest of the scripture, right around Luke 14:33 Jesus addressed the entire multitude of people, rich and poor, women, children all kinds of people. Here it is.


-The Cost of Discipleship- Luke 14:25-27
And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Reflecting of Luke 14:33-Acts 2:45-47 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man hath need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Reflecting of Luke 14:33 again, Matthew 13:44-46

-The Treasure and the Goodly Pearl-
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

These are the commands of Jesus in a parable, the man sold everything to inherit eternal life. Now I have heard the arguments against what Jesus commands, the biggest one is people want to point to Paul and say he has a higher authority than God in the flesh and they say, “Paul worked as a tent maker!” So sense he worked for money it’s ok. Really? I would recommend that you only follow Jesus and what he says. But let’s take a look at this argument.

Acts 18:3-5
And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by there occupation they were tentmakers. And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ. And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

Paul worked at making tents with a couple other Jews while preaching the gospel, but reading it in the entire context, two other disciples came along and he was pricked in his spirit and decided to leave to preach the Gospel full time once again. Now this passage does not say he labored (worked, served) for money, all it says was he was creating tents, even if he did work for money, he left to preach to the Gentiles after he realized he was in the wrong.

Another passage of scripture people use as a excuse to not obey Jesus is....
1 Timothy 5:8
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

This is taking scripture out of context, the title of this section of verses is called...
-Provisions for Widows-
Verses 5:1-10 the last verse says “Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she has longed strangers, if she have washed the saints’ feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.

Let’s compare Jesus teachings with 1 Timothy 5:10, then we can understand what 5:8 means.
“Brought up children”...- Matthew 18:5 “And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.”’ “If she hath lodged strangers”...Luke 14:13 “But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind. (The first Christians utilized money to rent a place or stayed at someone else’s place if invited in. Matthew 10:14). “If she have washed the saints’ feet”-Matthew 22:32 “But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren” (I believe this applies to every follower of Jesus, that we should strengthen each other). “If she have relieved the afflicted,”...Mark 16:17 “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues.”

This explains that Timothy was simply obeying Jesus Christ’s commands, including the widows. Now 1 Timothy 5:8 is saying work as in working to build Jesus Christ’s kingdom, working serving Jesus and obeying his commands. When you deny the faith, what it is really saying is your denying that God will provide all your needs when preaching the word. If you don’t have faith in what Jesus says, how in the world do you believe he’s going to resurrect you from the dead? There is no room for Luke warm Christians. You either listen to Jesus or you will be grinded to powder. Jesus says they would reject the corner stone of his teachings. This is essentiall and required by every follower of Christ. FORSAKETH ALL!

I hope God leads me to at least one individual that’s hears his word.

Mark 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear
 

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
13,588
9,107
113
#2
Gosh. I'm tired just readin all that stuff.

Just imagine how exhausted we'd be if we had to do works to achieve Salvation!
 

Lanolin

Well-known member
Dec 15, 2018
23,460
7,188
113
#3
But thats good if you retired now you dont have to work for the man.
Spare a thought for the younger millenials who are brainwashed into the rat race by the education system. And the lost generation who got into debt to pay for their education.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,491
13,799
113
#4
2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
 

lexcain10

New member
Mar 11, 2019
1
0
1
#5
Working for money and serving God is impossible that touched me because I believe life is more about serving God and fulfilling your purposes in life. God will create a way for anything that is being brought to your life.
 

Didymous

Senior Member
Feb 22, 2018
5,047
2,101
113
#6
Jesusonly777, how is it that you're here on a computer(or phone)if you gave everything away?
 

stonesoffire

Poetic Member
Nov 24, 2013
10,665
1,829
113
#7
Listen or be ground to powder?
 
Mar 3, 2019
64
6
8
#8
Working for money and serving God is impossible that touched me because I believe life is more about serving God and fulfilling your purposes in life. God will create a way for anything that is being brought to your life.
You don’t need money to serve Jesus, Jesus was against working for money. You can use it, but don’t serve it. If you want I can point you to a group that’s already doing that. No denomination, no church system, no money required, just forsaking all and obeying Jesus commands.
 
Mar 3, 2019
64
6
8
#9
Jesusonly777, how is it that you're here on a computer(or phone)if you gave everything away?
Didymous didn’t Paul and the rest sell everything and still used things that God gave them to preach the word? Like a pen and paper?
Prove right in the Bible, Acts 2:45-47 (selling all and sharing what they had left amongst each other) God can give you tools to use to preach the gospel and give back to you to provide your needs. Matthew 10:10 is a good example of having nothing, then having God provide. Without the tools they used back then they couldn’t of preached it so effectively. Pen, paper, ink, etc.
 
Mar 3, 2019
64
6
8
#10
Listen or be ground to powder?
Matthew 21:42-44 Listen to Jesus commands without someone with a title pastor, bishop, pope etc. Learn it as a child, Mark 10:15. Forsaking all is preached all throughout the 4 gospels, in fact if you read the gospels including leaving all worldly things including family,(if they don’t follow Jesus, leave them) Luke 14:26, Luke 14:33. Jesus is talking about The courner stone being rejected, his teachings. Ask your self at your church, when have they ever taught you to pray in secret? (Matthew 6:5-13) To give secretly? (Matthew 6:1-4) To never promise or swear, let your communication be yes or no. (Matthew 5:33-37) To never kill or be angry at your brothers or sisters without a cause? (Matthew 5:21-26) Some churches leave this one out surprisingly, To love your enemies and turn your cheek when hurt or struck? (Matthew 5:38-32). A lot of churches are pro military and promote killing in self defense or for are country. When Jesus says otherwise.
Didymous didn’t Paul and the rest sell everything and still used things that God gave them to preach the word? Like a pen and paper?
Prove right in the Bible, Acts 2:45-47 (selling all and sharing what they had left amongst each other) God can give you tools to use to preach the gospel and give back to you to provide your needs. Matthew 10:10 is a good example of having nothing, then having God provide. Without the tools they used back then they couldn’t of preached it so effectively. Pen, paper, ink, etc.
 

Demi777

Senior Member
Oct 13, 2014
6,889
1,958
113
Germany
#11
Jesusonly777, how is it that you're here on a computer(or phone)if you gave everything away?
Naw maybe he lives off of welfare...so he has no need to give anything away or work.
Lets all just dump our work and education and starve to death lol
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,844
13,558
113
#12
1 Corinthians 7:24
Brothers and sisters, each person, as responsible to God, should remain in the situation they were in when God called them.


What does this mean?
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,844
13,558
113
#13
Acts 16:14-15
One of those listening was a woman from the city of Thyatira named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth. She was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul's message. When she and the members of her household were baptized, she invited us to her home. "If you consider me a believer in the Lord," she said, "come and stay at my house." And she persuaded us.

Did Lydia stop selling purple?

Why didn't she sell her house?
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#14
Acts 16:14-15
One of those listening was a woman from the city of Thyatira named Lydia, a dealer in purple cloth. She was a worshiper of God. The Lord opened her heart to respond to Paul's message. When she and the members of her household were baptized, she invited us to her home. "If you consider me a believer in the Lord," she said, "come and stay at my house." And she persuaded us.

Did Lydia stop selling purple?

Why didn't she sell her house?
Wasn’t paul a tentmaker?
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,844
13,558
113
#15
Wasn’t paul a tentmaker?
This is what the OP has to say about that fact -

Paul worked at making tents with a couple other Jews while preaching the gospel, but reading it in the entire context, two other disciples came along and he was pricked in his spirit and decided to leave to preach the Gospel full time once again. Now this passage does not say he labored (worked, served) for money, all it says was he was creating tents, even if he did work for money, he left to preach to the Gentiles after he realized he was in the wrong.
 

Didymous

Senior Member
Feb 22, 2018
5,047
2,101
113
#17
So, if someone tells a church they'll give them so much money, and they give less, is the Holy Spirit going to kill them?
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,777
113
#18
Spare a thought for the younger millenials who are brainwashed into the rat race by the education system.
Why a rat race? Over half of them want the Socialist Utopia where they can sit back and let the State look after them. They are being brainwashed into Socialism and Communism in the colleges and universities, but they really have no clue about anything (just like Ocasio-Cortez).

As to the OP, is is clearly a misunderstanding of what Jesus really meant. Wealth has its uses, but must not become an idol. Little children, keep yourselves from idols.
 

crossnote

Senior Member
Nov 24, 2012
30,742
3,670
113
#19
Gosh. I'm tired just readin all that stuff.

Just imagine how exhausted we'd be if we had to do works to achieve Salvation!
My thought exactly...
James 2:10 (ASV) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is become guilty of all.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
25,491
13,799
113
#20
You don’t need money to serve Jesus, Jesus was against working for money. You can use it, but don’t serve it. If you want I can point you to a group that’s already doing that. No denomination, no church system, no money required, just forsaking all and obeying Jesus commands.
That's hogwash. Jesus never said anything of the sort.

"You can't serve both God and mammon" doesn't mean "don't work for money". It means "don't let money be your master, but only your servant".

It's amazing how someone can get Scripture so completely wrong and still think they're right.

Tell me... if we all followed your unbiblical idea, who would grow the food you eat? Who would operate the electrical generation stations? Who would build the technology you use to communicate this foolishness?

Talk about a self-defeating theory. "Jesus loves you, so go starve in the dark."

smh...