Good Friday?

Webers.Home · Mar 12, 2019

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FAQ: Why should we even care about those three days and three nights?

A: I care because the Good Friday model has made a mockery of Christianity.

Were I the Devil, the one element of Christianity that I would make my mission in life to
invalidate is Christ's resurrection because according to Rom 4:25, it is by means of his
resurrection that hell-bound people have the opportunity to obtain an acquittal.

But according to Rom 10:9-11 it is necessary for the hell-bound to be persuaded that
Jesus Christ existed and that he actually came back from death. Failure to believe it will
result in their failing to obtain an acquittal; and thus end up in the wrong place.

So you see, the topic of this discussion might be just another bull session for most
people, but it's life and death for others on a path to the sum of all fears.
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cv5 · Mar 12, 2019

Webers.Home said:

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FAQ: Why should we even care about those three days and three nights?

A: I care because the Good Friday model has made a mockery of Christianity.

Were I the Devil, the one element of Christianity that I would make my mission in life to
invalidate is Christ's resurrection because according to Rom 4:25, it is by means of his
resurrection that hell-bound people have the opportunity to obtain an acquittal.

But according to Rom 10:9-11 it is necessary for the hell-bound to be persuaded that
Jesus Christ existed and that he actually came back from death. Failure to believe it will
result in their failing to obtain an acquittal; and thus end up in the wrong place.

So you see, the topic of this discussion might be just another bull session for most
people, but it's life and death for others on a path to the sum of all fears.
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The Crucifixion occurred in conjunction with the Pascal lambs being slaughtered. This nails down Friday. This primordial fact remains unassailable....

Webers.Home · Mar 12, 2019

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cv5 said:

The Good Friday model has made a mockery of Christianity because it
cannot produce a third night as per the Lord's prediction at Matt 12:40.
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Webers.Home · Mar 12, 2019

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● Mark 15:42 . . And now when the even was come, because it was the
preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

That sabbath is easily mistaken to be the routine seventh-day sabbath, but
truth be it's the Passover sabbath as per Ex 12:16 and Lev 23:5-8; which is
actually the first day of the feast of unleavened bread.

● John 19:14 . . And it was the preparation of the Passover (cf. John 19:31)
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cv5 · Mar 12, 2019

Webers.Home said:

Sorry. Not buying it. No evidence.

Blik · Mar 12, 2019

The bottom line is whether God is correct in His statements or was the pagan coverts to Christianity who retained so much of their paganism and injected it into Christianity correct? Lets ask the sun worshipping emperor of Rome who added Christianity to his worship (Constantine) and who used the sun when he ordered coins made. Ask him about what scripture tells of how to count these days. That is what the church did and does.

After all, we must change the worship day to what the pagans did so they would accept Christianity better without having to change their ways. Paul said that was OK.

Adstar · Mar 13, 2019

Webers.Home said:

Because Jesus was executed on wednesday and was buried just before sunset wednesday and was raised at sundown Saturday..

Webers.Home · Mar 13, 2019

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● John 20:1 . . Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early
to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away
from the tomb.

FAQ: Doesn't that passage, along with Matt 28:1, Mark 16:1-2, prove that
Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life prior to sunrise?

A: According to Gen 1:4-5, Gen 1:14, Gen 1:16, Gen 1:17-18, and John
11:9-10, "day" is when the sun is up and "night" is when the sun is down.

In other words: had Jesus risen prior to sunrise, he would've risen at night.
But according to Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:21-23, Luke
24:46, Acts 10:40, and 1Cor 15:4 hw rose from the dead during day.

The Greek word that speaks of the women's journey is somewhat
ambiguous. It can not only mean came, but also went, i.e. it can indicate
travel as well as arrival and/or coming as well as going.

Seeing as how there are no less than seven verses that clearly, conclusively,
and without ambiguity testify that Jesus' dead body revived on the third day
rather than during the third night-- viz: his body revived when the sun was
up rather than when the sun was not yet up, --then it's safe to conclude that
in the women's case "went" is the appropriate translation of the Greek word
erchomai, i.e. the women left their homes during morning twilight; and by
the time they met together and journeyed to the cemetery, the sun was fully
up.

(I cannot imagine any woman of good sense walking around a graveyard in
the dark; especially when back in that day nobody as yet had access to
electric lighting of any kind, not even a flashlight.)

NOTE: The original languages of the Bible contain numerous ambiguous
words that translators are not always sure how best to interpret; so
sometimes the onus is upon the reader. Caveat Lector.
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Deade · Mar 13, 2019

Webers.Home said:

This is all irrelevant. John 20:1 states when it was discovered that Christ had risen. The discovery of something does not set the time frame. Christ was crucified on Wednesday and buried just before sundown on the day of preparation. Thursday was the feast day. Three days and three nights put the resurrection at Saturday evening just before sundown.

Blik · Mar 13, 2019

Deade said:

This post is in keeping with all scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

The time of the discovery of Christ having left the tomb is used to establish a change in the Sabbath date. People who had spent a lifetime and childhood as pagans but now learned of Christ had spent their go to worship idols day as Sunday. They could change Gods, but they objected to changing the day of worship. So Sunday was introduced and justification of that was searched for.

Nimrod started the Sunday worship. Before Nimrod Saturday was called the seventh or last day of the week, he named the first day of the week after the sun he maned as God. Every nation followed a false God, every one until Christ came. That was only 2,000 years ago that Christ came and nations learned of the true God, but all nations still keep to the way of Nimrod about the Sabbath.

The idea of changing the day of the Sabbath has almost no scripture backing, only scripture about using time periods for worship, and all pagans did that.

People have always known the difference between a date a happening was discovered and a date of a happening itself.

Webers.Home · Mar 13, 2019

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Deade said:

According to Luke 24:21-23, the third day wasn't the routine sabbath,
rather, it was the day when the women went out to the cemetery.

"We trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and
beside all this, today is the third day since these things were done. Yea, and
certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at
the sepulcher; and when they found not his body, they came, saying, that
they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive."

The day that the women went out to the cemetery is well-attested to be the
day following the routine sabbath. (Matt 28:1, Mark 16:2, Mark 16:9, Luke
24:1, John 20:1, John 20:19)
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Deade · Mar 13, 2019

Webers.Home said:

All you Good Friday proponents are such sticklers about being scripture so accurate that it could not have been into the fourth day or maybe they just didn't know when the resurrection was. Maybe they were trying to align prophecy by bad inference.

John the Baptist said he was not Elijah. Jesus clearly said he was. Who was right?

cv5 · Mar 14, 2019

AxeElf said:

So you have these verses, and then you have the verse you quoted when you started the thread:

So that's where all the doubt and confusion comes from--some verses indicate three days and three nights, some verses indicate two nights and a third day.

It all goes to show that the Bible isn't intended to be used as a history book; it's a book of spiritual truth. The point of the story isn't the length of time that Jesus was dead (and the Biblical accounts in that regard are contradictory), the point of the story is that Jesus was crucified to reconcile man with God, and that He rose from the dead as Lord when that job was done (and the Biblical accounts in that regard are all in unison).

Good grief man there is large and considerable proportion of the bible that is purely history. And chronology with hard and fast "dates".

cv5 · Mar 14, 2019

Deade said:

Quite unlikely. But unscriptural. People mistakenly believe that precisely 72 hours is mandated. This is absurd.

The sequence must be:
Part of the day of burial (2 hours) JEWISH THURSDAY - PREPARATION DAY (OUR FRIDAY)
Evening and morning of Passover day JEWISH FRIDAY
Evening and morning of regular Sabbath day JEWISH SATURDAY
Evening of Sunday when Christ arose some time before dawn JEWISH SUNDAY (OUR SUNDAY)

This equals part of a day (TIME KNOWN) , part of an evening (TIME UNKNOWN) , and two days of full evenings and days. Three days and three nights TOTAL. Simple.

All of this fits into THURS, FRI, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, phase shifted 12 hrs forward to suit the Jewish form.
Conformed to OUR CALENDAR it is only FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY!!!!
This is where the confusion lies IMO.

Believe me, all of this fits perfectly. This also fits the fulfillment of prophetical feast days perfectly.

It is the only and correct solution.

We get confused because of the 12 hour phase shift between the Roman and Jewish calendars.
Even I get addled once in a while lol.

cv5 · Mar 14, 2019

cv5 said:

I just now quickly constructed a graph (timeline) to prove my work. Yes its looks correct.
One small addition that I noticed and need to add:

If Christ was resurrected sometime after midnight, (and it definitely was before dawn) then we MAY need to add a small portion of OUR MONDAY to this formula. If Christ was resurrected before midnight, we DO NOT.

In any case, this is a thorough treatment and does not require any possibly faulty assumptions that are not recorded in Scripture.

I thank you for your time.

cv5 · Mar 14, 2019

Thank Goodness maybe I am right for once.
This commentator agrees with me....quite a relief.

https://gracethrufaith.com/topical-...ys/solving-the-three-day-three-night-mystery/

The Royal Observatory discovered that the first Palm Sunday was the 10th of Nisan, the day when Exodus 12 says to select the lamb. Therefore Passover, the 14th, was a Thursday. The Feast of Unleavened bread began on Friday the 15th, Saturday the 16th was the weekly Sabbath, and Resurrection Morning was also a Sunday, the 17th, when the Feast of First Fruits was celebrated. From Thursday to Sunday there are three days and three nights. It’s a little confusing to our way of thinking because the Hebrew day changes at sunset, which means that night precedes day. But read carefully and you’ll see that it makes sense.

Because in Jewish reckoning the night precedes the day, at sundown it became Friday the 15th, night one, and the special Sabbath John mentioned began (John 19:31). At sunrise it was Friday morning, and day two began. The next sundown brought Saturday night the 16th, night two, and the regular Sabbath began. As of sunrise it was Saturday day, the beginning of day three. At sundown on Saturday it became Sunday night the 17th, night three, and sometime before sunrise Jesus rose from the tomb. Three days and three nights. When the women arrived at sunrise to anoint His body early in the morning, He was already gone.

cv5 · Mar 14, 2019

cv5 said:

Quite unlikely. But unscriptural. People mistakenly believe that precisely 72 hours is mandated. This is absurd.

The sequence must be:
Part of the day of burial (2 hours) JEWISH THURSDAY - PREPARATION DAY (OUR FRIDAY)
Evening and morning of Passover day JEWISH FRIDAY
Evening and morning of regular Sabbath day JEWISH SATURDAY
Evening of Sunday when Christ arose some time before dawn JEWISH SUNDAY (OUR SUNDAY)

This equals part of a day (TIME KNOWN) , part of an evening (TIME UNKNOWN) , and two days of full evenings and days. Three days and three nights TOTAL. Simple.

All of this fits into THURS, FRI, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, phase shifted 12 hrs forward to suit the Jewish form.
Conformed to OUR CALENDAR it is only FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY!!!!
This is where the confusion lies IMO.

Believe me, all of this fits perfectly. This also fits the fulfillment of prophetical feast days perfectly.

It is the only and correct solution.

We get confused because of the 12 hour phase shift between the Roman and Jewish calendars.
Even I get addled once in a while lol.

"Evening and morning of Passover day JEWISH FRIDAY"
Correction: First day of Unleavened Bread actually. Sorry typing too fast my bad.....

Deade · Mar 14, 2019

cv5 said:

How do you make Friday the burial day when scripture says they buried Christ right before sundown?

John 19:31 "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

cv5 · Mar 14, 2019

Deade said:

One can phase shift the Gregorian days (midnight to midnight) FORWARD 24 hours and everything still works perfectly fine. In fact, thinking about it, this may be more in line with our usual idea of Sunday morning (very early before dawn to insure that it fits within the Feast of Frirstfruits) for the Resurrection Event.

So sure, one can back up a day and call Friday Thursday no harm no foul. The only difference is whether you would prefer or assume that Jesus was resurrected between 6pm and midnight or midnight and 6am.

The key is that there are in sequence the Day of Preparation, First day of Unleavened Bread, followed by regular Saturday Sabbath. Then everything works out perfectly, and you obtain the required 3 days and 3 nights.

Ultimately, you can obtain 3 days and 3 nights effortlessly within the constraints of the feast days and within the fulfillment of prophecy thereof.

Deade · Mar 14, 2019

cv5 said:

The following is a little study on the validity of the weekly interruption switching calendars:
So what actual documentation do you have which proves that the seventh day cycle has been interrupted?

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