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eternally-gratefull

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You should study that a little more.
Jesus says to love God and love others means you obey all the other commands.
No

It says that is HOW you do it

It does not say as you claim. That OBEYING is love

You have it backwards, just like you do salvation. Your trying to obey first, then be saved, Instead of being saved first SO you can obey.
 

YourTruthGod

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Yet he also admitted he sinned.

What he did is make sure he lived a life which was above reproach. He understood trying to be sinless was impossible.
You must not know Paul very well then:

Train ourselves.

Luke 6:40 A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher.

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

1 Corinthians 9:25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.

1 Timothy 4:7, 8 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Titus 2:4 Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children,

Hebrews 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

Hebrews 12:11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
 

YourTruthGod

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Wait a minute. Stop sinning, but mess up here and there?

Whats the difference between a sin and a mess up?

Let me guess: Me commiting fornication is a sin. Me flipping the bird to someone in traffic is a "mess up" right?
Getting angry must be stopped, for it is as murder.
 

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We can stop sinning, and it doesn't mean we might not mess up here and there.
those little mess ups? God has a word for them. it's called sin.
so, since God calls it sin, and he is the Divine Judge, would it not be a good idea and call it sin yourself?

since you speak so much of obeying God, is it not wise to try to see things the way He does, and call it what He calls it??
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You must not know Paul very well then:

Train ourselves.

Luke 6:40 A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher.

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

1 Corinthians 9:25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.

1 Timothy 4:7, 8 Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come.

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Titus 2:4 Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children,

Hebrews 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

Hebrews 12:11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
What does this have to do with what I said.

Of course SPIRITUAL MATURITY takes alot of work. of Course it takes alot of trusting in God. (Of course, since you think I think it is ok to continue in sin, (Which is a LIE) you can not understand I believe these things)

But Paul said in romans 7 he still had a war between the flesh and the spirit. And considered himself the chief of all sinners. God even gave him a thorn in the flesh to keep him honest.

Heb 12 - If paul was sinless. Why did he need to be chastened?

You still have 1 John 1: 8. Which tells you you are decieved. If you will not listen to john, Why shoud we expect you to listen though?
 

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You should study that a little more.
Jesus says to love God and love others means you obey all the other commands.
You obey all of the commands of Jesus?

Do you obey this one every time you eat?

“Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbors; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompense be made thee. But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind: and thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just” (Luke 14:12–14).

I bet you don't. ;)
 

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You don't understand that scripture. That scripture PROVES your doctrine wrong.

That scripture is John saying to those who claim to be saved that if, they NEVER admitted to having sins, then they were never saved in the first place, because getting saved requires one admit to being a sinner, AND THEN REPENTING OF THOSE SINS.


I HAVE PROVED WITH SCRIPTURE THAT YOU ARE DOCTRINALLY WRONG IN ALMOST EVERY POST THAT I MADE TO YOU.

YOU JUST IGNORE IT, AND PRETEND THE CONTRADICTIONS DO NOT MATTER. YOU ARE DEFINITELY A PEDDLER OF FALSE DOCTRINE.

WHAT DO YOU CALL PEOPLE THAT ACCUSE OTHERS, WHEN YOU ARE GUILTY OF THE SAME ERROR OF MISINTERPRETATION THAT YOU ARE GUILTY OF NUMEROUS TIMES ? ? ?

IT IS TIME THAT EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD PUTS YOU ON THEIR PERMANENT IGNORE LIST, SO YOU CAN JUST TALK TO YOURSELF.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Getting angry must be stopped, for it is as murder.
So is saying a white lie. So is knowing to do right but not doing it. So is going ver the speed limit, or littering. Or forsaking the act of gathering together in Christs name so is (insert any sin)

Sin is sin is sin.
 

Hevosmies

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Getting angry must be stopped, for it is as murder.
No its not. Thats no where in Scripture. Jesus got angry, God gets angry.

Mar 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

What you were trying to quote is that you shouldnt HATE YOUR BROTHER. Did you just make a 'mistake'? Atleast its not a sin, Jesus looked at people with anger, yet Jesus wasnt a murderer.

The jig is up as the saying goes. You already spilt the beans, spilled the milk, burnt the toast, wet the bed. ITS OVER!
 

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Don't hurt yourself getting off that high horse.
That is....if you ever do come down from it. ;)
Is it a high horse to walk like Jesus?
Paul and the apostles you would want to bring down and anyone in church history
who took seriously aspirations to a pious walk.

This is just the same words that are used in Job

Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."
"Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied.
"Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land."
Job 1:7-10

I am no judge of anyone. I can only testify to my walk and those of who I know.
So that is where I stop. I know the struggles of faith and love, to walk and to succeed
and fail. So I testify within those constraints.

You however wish to judge me and anyone you deem as fulfilling the promise of Jesus
and the apostles. It is a dangerous place to go, because in Job that is the role Satan took on.
It is also something we are told not to do as fellow believers.

Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you--who are you to judge your neighbor?James 4:11-12

I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.
My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.
1 Cor 4:3-5

Where there is no fear of God there is no respect for His word or His ways.
 

YourTruthGod

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So is saying a white lie. So is knowing to do right but not doing it. So is going ver the speed limit, or littering. Or forsaking the act of gathering together in Christs name so is (insert any sin)

Sin is sin is sin.
Work it out. Why would you litter? Try to drive the speed limit and obey the rules of the road. Try to be more honest and not give any lie.
 

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You must not know Paul very well then:
Train ourselves.
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1 Corinthians 9:25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.
Here again, this 1Cor9 context has to do with [re: Paul, pertaining to] those to whom he was preaching. [this doesn't even have to involve "sins [repenting of sins]," mind you]

Recall, in 1Th2:19 what he said about "For who is our hope or joy or CROWN of boasting? Or are not even YOU, before our Lord Jesus at His coming?"
 

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There are believers who believe they have eternal life and know Christ yet this level of unbelief says otherwise.
When anyone comes to Jesus, it is because they hate the world and want change and the Kingdom of heaven.

It is like these guys desire a sinners life and to continue in sin and death. The Lord in His grace will grant
them their wish.
 

YourTruthGod

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No its not. Thats no where in Scripture. Jesus got angry, God gets angry.

Mar 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

What you were trying to quote is that you shouldnt HATE YOUR BROTHER. Did you just make a 'mistake'? Atleast its not a sin, Jesus looked at people with anger, yet Jesus wasnt a murderer.

The jig is up as the saying goes. You already spilt the beans, spilled the milk, burnt the toast, wet the bed. ITS OVER!
Human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires. See James 1:20.

The person who literally murders another most likely started out with anger in their heart.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Work it out. Why would you litter? Try to drive the speed limit and obey the rules of the road. Try to be more honest and not give any lie.
How about stop thinking about yourself (which is where those sins come from) and trying to serve others. And in doing that, You will by practice not do those things.

Either way, that was not my point. My point was we can’t do that 24/7 no matter what you think
 
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eternally-gratefull

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No its not. Thats no where in Scripture. Jesus got angry, God gets angry.

Mar 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

What you were trying to quote is that you shouldnt HATE YOUR BROTHER. Did you just make a 'mistake'? Atleast its not a sin, Jesus looked at people with anger, yet Jesus wasnt a murderer.

The jig is up as the saying goes. You already spilt the beans, spilled the milk, burnt the toast, wet the bed. ITS OVER!
God has gotten angry, And in the last day, The whole earth will see what happens when God gets angry
 

Hevosmies

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Human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires. See James 1:20.

The person who literally murders another most likely started out with anger in their heart.
LOL. Not even a 'sorry.'

Oy vey! Looks like you are deceived, this is what happens when you start a oneman cult. EVERYONE is wrong, Luther was a heretic, catholics are heretics, all protestants are heretics.

Is there ANY church you agree with? Is there anyone saved anywhere? You gave me a list yesterday and according to that list you are the only saved man on planet earth!
I really believe you should find a bible believing Church and go there...... Lone sheep are easy prey for the devil! Are the churches perfect? No, but atleast you are with likeminded individuals!