A day in earth

[Noose]

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: ​

for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; ​

and there was no more sea. ​

(Revelation 21:1)​

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while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, He asked them, ​

“Do you have anything here to eat?”​

they gave Him a piece of broiled fish, and He took it and ate it in their presence.​

(Luke 24:41-43)​

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He said to them, ​

“I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. For I tell you, ​

I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God." ​

(Luke 22:15-16)​

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the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” ​

And he said to me, “These are the true words of God.”​

(Revelation 19:9)​

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that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.​

(Matthew 26:29)​

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Jesus resurrected bodily to fulfill prophesy and also so that the gospel may be preached. If He had not resurrected bodily, the gospel should have been rejected because people would not believe in resurrection if Jesus' body was still in the tomb. How could anyone even start to preach resurrection?

But we know for a fact that resurrection is of the spirit and even Jesus resurrected spiritually immediately after dying:

Matt 27:
50And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.

51At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and e went into the holy city and appeared to many people.

So, the fleshly display including eating was only meant for people to believe but the spiritual is where everything happens.

 

[Noose]

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: ​

for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; ​

and there was no more sea. ​

(Revelation 21:1)​

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IMO, the seas here still represents the heart of a man but in this case other nations (apart from Israel) which poetically means disbelievers. The reason they are no more is because the new heavens and new earth is born in the hearts of God people who are poetically called the New Jerusalem/Israel.

A fulfillment to:

Isa 65:17For behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered,nor will they come to mind. 18But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; for I will create Jerusalem to be a joy and its people to be a delight

 

[Dino246]

on what basis do you flip between water = man's heart and water ≠ man's heart ?

Post, how did you manage to get the "not equals" sign ( ≠ ) ? I've been trying to find the keystroke combination for that.

 

[posthuman]

Post, how did you manage to get the "not equals" sign ( ≠ ) ? I've been trying to find the keystroke combination for that.

i often go to this site to type mathematical symbols, then copy-paste them into posts. they will format along with all the rest of the text you write here - color, bold, font, etc ((tho font doesn't usually change them much)) - i usually upsize them a little compared to the regular font

http://math.typeit.org/

to write more complicated math in the forum i'll use a latex-generator and paste images, but that link above is really useful; it's been prominently on my bookmark bar for years

 

[posthuman]

to write more complicated math in the forum i'll use a latex-generator and paste images, but that link above is really useful; it's been prominently on my bookmark bar for years

this is the latex gui i use, btw, in case anyone cares:

https://latex.codecogs.com/eqneditor/editor.php

((latex is a computer code language for writing and formatting documents that's pretty much a standard in math/science - almost 100% of papers published in those kind of fields are written in 'Tex ))

 

[Dino246]

i often go to this site to type mathematical symbols, then copy-paste them into posts. they will format along with all the rest of the text you write here - color, bold, font, etc ((tho font doesn't usually change them much)) - i usually upsize them a little compared to the regular font

http://math.typeit.org/

to write more complicated math in the forum i'll use a latex-generator and paste images, but that link above is really useful; it's been prominently on my bookmark bar for years

Thanks!

 

[KnowMe]

You have to use your God given wisdom to discern when the bible is talking about water (H2O) and water (heart of a man)
I don't see how the word waters as used below means H2O:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Psalm 24:1A Psalm of David. The earth is the LORD’s, and the fullness thereof, the world and all who dwell therein. 2For He has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the waters.

2 Peter 3:5
But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water,

Psalm 104:3
laying the beams of his chambers on the waters above, making the clouds His chariot, walking on the wings of the wind.

The obvious question would be, how did God create the whole world by water and found it upon the seas? isn't the seas part of the world and isn't water part of the earth?

Peter says the earth was formed out of water by the water- How?

gas, liquid, solid these are the formations of water.

 

[Noose]

gas, liquid, solid these are the formations of water.

But you have to explain how the world was founded upon the seas and waters or how the universe is formed out of water and by water. How? in whatever explanation you are about to give, remember that gas/liquid/solid/sea/ (H2O) is part of this universe/world that was found upon the waters.

The statement 'formed upon the waters from the waters' means the waters preexisted or preceded whatever was being formed and in this case, the universe.

 

[KnowMe]

But you have to explain how the world was founded upon the seas and waters or how the universe is formed out of water and by water. How? in whatever explanation you are about to give, remember that gas/liquid/solid/sea/ (H2O) is part of this universe/world that was found upon the waters.

The statement 'formed upon the waters from the waters' means the waters preexisted or preceded whatever was being formed and in this case, the universe.

first step is to know where hydrogen is in the universe.

 

[KnowMe]

little vid on water.

 

[Dino246]

But you have to explain how the world was founded upon the seas and waters or how the universe is formed out of water and by water. How? in whatever explanation you are about to give, remember that gas/liquid/solid/sea/ (H2O) is part of this universe/world that was found upon the waters.

The statement 'formed upon the waters from the waters' means the waters preexisted or preceded whatever was being formed and in this case, the universe.

You're drawing conclusions that are fallacious. Much of your position, as stated in this thread, is based on fallacies. I would encourage you to learn about logical fallacies so that you aren't basing your beliefs on them.

 

[posthuman]

But you have to explain how the world was founded upon the seas and waters or how the universe is formed out of water and by water. How? in whatever explanation you are about to give, remember that gas/liquid/solid/sea/ (H2O) is part of this universe/world that was found upon the waters.

The statement 'formed upon the waters from the waters' means the waters preexisted or preceded whatever was being formed and in this case, the universe.

unless a person has an understanding in which both 2 Peter 3:5 is true and Psalm 33:6 is true, they have a wrong understanding.

by the word of the LORD the heavens were made, ​

their starry host by the breath of His mouth.
(Psalm 33:6)​

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what does Peter say next? btw

by the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire ​

(2 Peter 3:6)​

ain't it interesting that John baptized with water, but Jesus baptizes with spirit and fire?
and that anyone in Him is a new creation?

and that not only by Jesus and through Jesus but also in Jesus all things - including the heart of man ((Ps. 33:15)) - were created?

for in Him all things were created
(Colossians 1:16) ​

 

[Noose]

little vid on water.

I'm very sure this video can not explain how the world was found on water by water.

 

[Noose]

You're drawing conclusions that are fallacious. Much of your position, as stated in this thread, is based on fallacies. I would encourage you to learn about logical fallacies so that you aren't basing your beliefs on them.

Don't worry about me, i know what i'm talking about, after- all, Jesus' resurrection is not a logical thing, only a thing to be believed. So, in matters spiritual, we put logic aside and seek truth because logic comes from perception which is not necessarily true.

Jer 17:9The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure— who can understand it?

 

[Noose]

unless a person has an understanding in which both 2 Peter 3:5 is true and Psalm 33:6 is true, they have a wrong understanding.

by the word of the LORD the heavens were made, ​

their starry host by the breath of His mouth.​

(Psalm 33:6)​

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what does Peter say next? btw

by the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire ​

(2 Peter 3:6)​

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2 Peter 3:5But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water,6 through which the world of that time perished in the flood. 7And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

It is very clear. Judgement is what Peter is talking about (whether by fire or water) and judgement is of the heart:​

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1 Cor 4:4 My conscience is clear, but that does not vindicate me. It is the Lord who judges me. 5Therefore judge nothing before the proper time;wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.​

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If Judgement is of the heart, also creation is of the heart by the same agent (the word of God). So it's true, God created through the heart of a man.​

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Psalm 33:6 By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, and all the stars by the breath of His mouth.​

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Psalm 24:1 The earth is the LORD’s, and the fullness thereof, the world and all who dwell therein. 2For He has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the waters.

To me, the verses mean that as much as the world was created through God's breath, it was the breath that He (God) put in a man's heart (seas and waters).

Rev 21:1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth,a for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.

If the sea represents the word of God which created the heavens and earth, then Rev 21 means that the word of God will be no more. A contradiction because it has been said that heavens and earth shall pass but the word of God shall not pass.

 

[posthuman]

If Judgement is of the heart, also creation is of the heart by the same agent (the word of God). So it's true, God created through the heart of a man.

{the word of God} ≠ {the heart of man}

Prov 18: 4 The words of a man’s mouth are deep waters; the fountain of wisdom is a bubbling brook.

Proverbs 20:5 The intentions of a man's heart are deep waters, but a man of understanding draws them out.

Proverbs 18:4 does not say {water} = {man's heart}
it says the words of a man's mouth.

Proverbs 20:5 does not say {water} = {man's heart}
it says the intentions of a man's heart.

your premises are faulty & you are replacing God with the heart of a man.
Jesus is not a bodhisattva atman. He is a very specific living being: The LORD God Almighty

 

[KnowMe]

I'm very sure this video can not explain how the world was found on water by water.

ahh well, your flesh is made up of what this world is made of and the sun that shines on it.

divide the water above the water, yea 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen, Mars had water on the surface but it got divided. the knowledge tree per say is hydrogen and oxygen but someone should have not picked from it and got divided from the water, tree of life,

 

[Dino246]

Don't worry about me, i know what i'm talking about, after- all, Jesus' resurrection is not a logical thing, only a thing to be believed. So, in matters spiritual, we put logic aside and seek truth because logic comes from perception which is not necessarily true.

Jer 17:9The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure— who can understand it?

Wrong. Jesus' resurrection is perfectly logical. There is nothing fallacious or illogical about it.

We don't need to comprehend spiritual things before having faith. However, we should be skeptical of things that are, in fact, illogical. I have not found any assertion of the Christian faith to be inherently illogical, or, for that matter, irrational.

 

[Noose]

Wrong. Jesus' resurrection is perfectly logical. There is nothing fallacious or illogical about it.

We don't need to comprehend spiritual things before having faith. However, we should be skeptical of things that are, in fact, illogical. I have not found any assertion of the Christian faith to be inherently illogical, or, for that matter, irrational.

And why did Jesus walk in the streets of Jerusalem asking people to believe instead of calculating? Feeding 5000 people with 5 loaves of bread and two fish is something to be believed, walking on water defies logic, no formula for ascending to the heavens, virgin birth, death being thrown in hades.

Logic is nothing more than a human expectation based on earthly experience or what is observed or experienced, spirituality is about things that we can not see, can not expect- the reason God had to give guidance (scriptures).

 

[Noose]

ahh well, your flesh is made up of what this world is made of and the sun that shines on it.

divide the water above the water, yea 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen, Mars had water on the surface but it got divided. the knowledge tree per say is hydrogen and oxygen but someone should have not picked from it and got divided from the water, tree of life,

Nope. You are only a hired hand whom God has put a program called life (truth) and that life dictates the universe including your own flesh because it is part of the universe. In short, the universe is a thought which is truth but has taken a detour to lies because he heart of man is wicked/evil. Truth stands forever but a lie doesn't, it decays or causes decay (death). So God has a plan, from the beginning, He has chosen some people through which the universe will be salvaged.

Rom 8:
18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time. 23Not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24For in this hope we were saved; but hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? 25But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently.

Isa 65:
17For behold, I will create
new heavens and a new earth.
The former things will not be remembered,
nor will they come to mind.
18But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I create;
for I will create Jerusalem to be a joy
and its people to be a delight.

Do you even understand what is being said in Isaiah? God says He will create new heavens and new earth, how? by creating Jerusalem to be a joy and its people a delight. Just as it was in the beginning, He will put truth into the hearts of the people and that's how the new heavens and new earth are found and shall live forever.

And God just like a scientist, will put this (truth) to test for a 1000 years (the millennium) to break the initial curse that man (Adam) had caused when he lost the truth and therefore could not live 1000 years +. This is how death is overcome and thrown in hades.