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It is unfortunate that so many mis-apply this Luke 12 passage (note verses 36-37,38,40 etc refer to "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." THEN the meal! [and the OTHER "RETURN" passage is Lk19:12,15,17,19--both of these refer to His RETURN TO THE EARTH, FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom, promised to Israel]). This does not pertain to "the Church which is His body". As for that, here is a quote by Gaebelein, for those interested in reading it:
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[Galatians 4 Commentary]
"But a great change had taken place. “But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law, that He might redeem those under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.” [note: not "AS" sons, here] God sent His Son from His bosom to become man and “made under the law.” He took His place down here in two relationships. First with man, through the woman, and with the Jews, as born under the law. Sin and death came in by the woman; Christ came into this world by woman also. Through the law, man is under condemnation and Christ came as under that law. But that law was no bondage for Him. He fully worked out the righteousness of the law. Yet his righteous and holy life could not redeem those under the law. Redemption from the curse of the law was accomplished in the death of the Cross. And the glorious result of the coming of the Son of God and His finished work is for all believers in Him “the adoption of sons”--that is, placed [son-placement], through grace, before God as sons. And because believing Jews and Gentiles are sons, through the efficacy of the redemption wrought by the Lord Jesus Christ, God sent the blessed proof and power of sonship. “He sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.” The Holy Spirit was given as the seal of redemption, and as the joy of sonship. “Wherefore, thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.” "
--Gaebelein's Commentary on Galatians 4 [source: Bible Hub; bold, brackets and underline mine]
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[quoting]
[Galatians 4 Commentary]
"But a great change had taken place. “But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law, that He might redeem those under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.” [note: not "AS" sons, here] God sent His Son from His bosom to become man and “made under the law.” He took His place down here in two relationships. First with man, through the woman, and with the Jews, as born under the law. Sin and death came in by the woman; Christ came into this world by woman also. Through the law, man is under condemnation and Christ came as under that law. But that law was no bondage for Him. He fully worked out the righteousness of the law. Yet his righteous and holy life could not redeem those under the law. Redemption from the curse of the law was accomplished in the death of the Cross. And the glorious result of the coming of the Son of God and His finished work is for all believers in Him “the adoption of sons”--that is, placed [son-placement], through grace, before God as sons. And because believing Jews and Gentiles are sons, through the efficacy of the redemption wrought by the Lord Jesus Christ, God sent the blessed proof and power of sonship. “He sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.” The Holy Spirit was given as the seal of redemption, and as the joy of sonship. “Wherefore, thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.” "
--Gaebelein's Commentary on Galatians 4 [source: Bible Hub; bold, brackets and underline mine]
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Brief [partial] quote by C H Mackintosh (to go along with that ^ ) :
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"[…] and yet not a syllable about the real position of the Church--its calling, its standing, its hopes, its privileges!
"And not a word about Israel's future! A complete ignoring, or at best a thorough alienation, of the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and David! The whole body of prophetic teaching subjected to a system of spiritualizing, falsely so called, whereby Israel is robbed of its proper portion […]"
--C H Mackintosh
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[quoting]
"[…] and yet not a syllable about the real position of the Church--its calling, its standing, its hopes, its privileges!
"And not a word about Israel's future! A complete ignoring, or at best a thorough alienation, of the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and David! The whole body of prophetic teaching subjected to a system of spiritualizing, falsely so called, whereby Israel is robbed of its proper portion […]"
--C H Mackintosh
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An unbeliever is someone who does not believe through the cross and His love given
for them Christ cannot bring them into His likeness.
The foolishness of some is to believe on the greatest demonstration of love and power
by the creator of the world and to remain in sin and death as if God intended this from
the beginning of time to be His crowning glory. They literally as the church of Laodicea
I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realise that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
Rev 3:15-17
Listen to the people following Christ today. I have the holidays..... I spend all my time enjoying
myself ...... relaxing ...... being pampered ...... I know what it is to with Jesus and am destined to
heaven.
Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent.
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:15-17
for them Christ cannot bring them into His likeness.
The foolishness of some is to believe on the greatest demonstration of love and power
by the creator of the world and to remain in sin and death as if God intended this from
the beginning of time to be His crowning glory. They literally as the church of Laodicea
I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realise that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
Rev 3:15-17
Listen to the people following Christ today. I have the holidays..... I spend all my time enjoying
myself ...... relaxing ...... being pampered ...... I know what it is to with Jesus and am destined to
heaven.
Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent.
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:15-17
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Interesting point. Because John does not use the word repent, we do not need to repent of sins.
John is going deeper into repentance and talking about acknowledging sin and stopping sinning
is only the beginning, abiding in Jesus and love is everything.
So rather than making the point John is dismissing repentance, he is showing God intended so
much more. John knew Lazarus, Mary and Martha well and wanted to tell their story. John is
the spiritual inside track to maturity. Over half the gospel is the last week of Jesus on earth.
Some of the most profound teaching is held in John.
The fact you throw away repentance declares how little you understand the nature of Jesus
our Saviour and His victory over sin and death. Without repentance we are not in the Kingdom.
It is why the pharisees were outside, because they claimed to see but had hearts full of greed
and self indulgence exactly like people today.
John is going deeper into repentance and talking about acknowledging sin and stopping sinning
is only the beginning, abiding in Jesus and love is everything.
So rather than making the point John is dismissing repentance, he is showing God intended so
much more. John knew Lazarus, Mary and Martha well and wanted to tell their story. John is
the spiritual inside track to maturity. Over half the gospel is the last week of Jesus on earth.
Some of the most profound teaching is held in John.
The fact you throw away repentance declares how little you understand the nature of Jesus
our Saviour and His victory over sin and death. Without repentance we are not in the Kingdom.
It is why the pharisees were outside, because they claimed to see but had hearts full of greed
and self indulgence exactly like people today.
Let me put a simple point here.
If you love me, you will obey what I command.
John 14:15
It is obvious spiritually what this means. And those who are with the Lord
know His voice and follow Him.
Being sinful is death. It is not a good thing, or something to be proud of,
it is polluted, evil, wrong, destroys all the things it touches.
Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice.
Eph 4:31
People who come from churches all their lives carry often carry a lot of anger about their past and how they
were ignored and hurt. If you want to know freedom in Christ you need healing and forgiveness,
to know Christs love flowing out from you.
If you love me, you will obey what I command.
John 14:15
It is obvious spiritually what this means. And those who are with the Lord
know His voice and follow Him.
Being sinful is death. It is not a good thing, or something to be proud of,
it is polluted, evil, wrong, destroys all the things it touches.
Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice.
Eph 4:31
People who come from churches all their lives carry often carry a lot of anger about their past and how they
were ignored and hurt. If you want to know freedom in Christ you need healing and forgiveness,
to know Christs love flowing out from you.
The seeds of Hatred.
ISIS - led to the murder of anyone who did not agree with their view of the world.
Mosque murders - islam is evil and must be wiped out.
Hatred only sees an enemy who must be destroyed.
Love sees people who have strengths and weakness, who through repentance can be drawn
into the Kingdom of God to walk in the light of love and righteousness.
Once the gospel has become just a faith, it is salt without its saltiness and will be trampled
under foot.
Hatred is like poison, it destroys the soul and eats away at anything good within.
A church filled with hatred of another group within the same church will be destroyed within and
crumble. Only Jesus, purity, holiness in the cross and Christ overcomes.
"I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life"
John 18:12
What are you full of as you read this? Anger and hatred, or love and light?
Repent of your anger and hatred and let Jesus and the cross cleanse you.
ISIS - led to the murder of anyone who did not agree with their view of the world.
Mosque murders - islam is evil and must be wiped out.
Hatred only sees an enemy who must be destroyed.
Love sees people who have strengths and weakness, who through repentance can be drawn
into the Kingdom of God to walk in the light of love and righteousness.
Once the gospel has become just a faith, it is salt without its saltiness and will be trampled
under foot.
Hatred is like poison, it destroys the soul and eats away at anything good within.
A church filled with hatred of another group within the same church will be destroyed within and
crumble. Only Jesus, purity, holiness in the cross and Christ overcomes.
"I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life"
John 18:12
What are you full of as you read this? Anger and hatred, or love and light?
Repent of your anger and hatred and let Jesus and the cross cleanse you.
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Pentacostals tend to be armenians, whose doctrine is choice and the possibility of losing salvation.
It is not a new revelation, just a little research into theology and statements of belief.
I do wonder at the lack of knowledge and depth expressed here.
Funnily being definitive about theological points that have divided the church proves nothing.
It shows simply both are true, and the Lord wants you to know there is no one answer.
I wonder who is spiritually mature to see our Lord resolves what can be resolved and leaves alone
that which is a matter of perspective.
If I know the future, it is fixed, yet I can have the power to change it, but choose not to.
Free will can be exercised within this future, except I know the outcome, does not remove free will.
The creator chooses how he lets creation move, and what is the prime mover of choice.
He chooses us, yet we choose Him in response. So who is choosing? Both.
It is not a new revelation, just a little research into theology and statements of belief.
I do wonder at the lack of knowledge and depth expressed here.
Funnily being definitive about theological points that have divided the church proves nothing.
It shows simply both are true, and the Lord wants you to know there is no one answer.
I wonder who is spiritually mature to see our Lord resolves what can be resolved and leaves alone
that which is a matter of perspective.
If I know the future, it is fixed, yet I can have the power to change it, but choose not to.
Free will can be exercised within this future, except I know the outcome, does not remove free will.
The creator chooses how he lets creation move, and what is the prime mover of choice.
He chooses us, yet we choose Him in response. So who is choosing? Both.
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I never said he remained doing those things, So once again, YOU ARE A LIAR!
My point was. Paul still concidered himself a chief of all sinners. He looked at his WHOLE LIFE OF SIN (past present and future) Not like you. The pharisee. Who claims to be sinless. While breaking Gods commandments over and over unable to even see it.
My point was. Paul still concidered himself a chief of all sinners. He looked at his WHOLE LIFE OF SIN (past present and future) Not like you. The pharisee. Who claims to be sinless. While breaking Gods commandments over and over unable to even see it.
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People can fall away from Jesus see Galatians 5:4; 1 Corinthians 10:12; 2 Peter 3:17. We are warned not to drift away, Hebrews 2:1, not to draw back, Hebrews 10:38; to hold on and stand firm, Hebrews 3:14, 1 Corinthians 15:2, 2 Thessalonians 2:15. We are told how not to fall, 2 Peter 1:10, how not to be hardened, Hebrews 3:8,13.
God can throw people out, Matthew 22:13, blot people out, Exodus 32:32-33, remove your lampstand, Revelation 2:5, sign you a place with unbelievers, Luke 12:46, and cut you off, Romans 11:19-21. We can become defiled, Hebrews 12:15. Our lamps can burn out, Matthew 25:8. We can cause ourselves to have to have Christ formed in us again, Galatians 4:19.
We are told how to remain in Jesus, John 6:56, and if we do Jesus will remain in us, John 15:4. Jesus tells us of the good if we remain in him, John 15:5, and of the bad when we do not, John 15:6. Jesus exhorts us to remain in him, John 15:9, 10, Acts 14:22, and 1 John 2:24.
God can throw people out, Matthew 22:13, blot people out, Exodus 32:32-33, remove your lampstand, Revelation 2:5, sign you a place with unbelievers, Luke 12:46, and cut you off, Romans 11:19-21. We can become defiled, Hebrews 12:15. Our lamps can burn out, Matthew 25:8. We can cause ourselves to have to have Christ formed in us again, Galatians 4:19.
We are told how to remain in Jesus, John 6:56, and if we do Jesus will remain in us, John 15:4. Jesus tells us of the good if we remain in him, John 15:5, and of the bad when we do not, John 15:6. Jesus exhorts us to remain in him, John 15:9, 10, Acts 14:22, and 1 John 2:24.
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Yep. Thanks, Once again you prove you teach works
Jesus said he would NEVER let us go. We HAVE eternal life. We will NEVER HUNGER OR THIRST. He will LOSE NONE he even gave us the SEAL of the spirit as a pledge (until the day we are ressurected) We HAVE been justified. He even said we have not been given the spirit of fear but of a sound mind, and a father we can call our ABBA, John went as far to say the things he wrote, he wrote so we can KNOW we have eternal life. And on this FACT (which paul said in titus the God, who can not lie, promised before time began) is the basis for us to continue to entrust our lives to him , Paul said Jesus took all that was against us contrary to us, and nailed it to the cross. Having circumcized us with the circumcision made wiht out hands by the baptism of the spirit.
But hey, You go follow your God of fear.. I just pray you repent before you see him, Because you will not be happy if you do not.
Jesus said he would NEVER let us go. We HAVE eternal life. We will NEVER HUNGER OR THIRST. He will LOSE NONE he even gave us the SEAL of the spirit as a pledge (until the day we are ressurected) We HAVE been justified. He even said we have not been given the spirit of fear but of a sound mind, and a father we can call our ABBA, John went as far to say the things he wrote, he wrote so we can KNOW we have eternal life. And on this FACT (which paul said in titus the God, who can not lie, promised before time began) is the basis for us to continue to entrust our lives to him , Paul said Jesus took all that was against us contrary to us, and nailed it to the cross. Having circumcized us with the circumcision made wiht out hands by the baptism of the spirit.
But hey, You go follow your God of fear.. I just pray you repent before you see him, Because you will not be happy if you do not.
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