Does God love all mankind?

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With all due respect to you, You fail to see that there is a difference between the two deliverance's. The deliverance we have when we repent has nothing to do with our eternal deliverance. Christ's death on the cross for all those that he died for, erased every sin that they will ever commit.

Of course the Atonement of Jesus covers every sin we Christians ever commit.. That's what i have been affirming Time and Time again.. I now suspect that you are so focused on being a teacher that you are not putting any effort into reading my posts.. Telling me that i fail to see that Christs death on the cross for all those that He died for erasing every sin they will ever commit shows me that you are Not taking the time to read my replies.. Now tell me whats the point of me continuing in a discussion when it is becoming clear to me that the other persons level of respect is so low that they are not reading my posts with any diligence?

When the child of God commits a sin, it is covered eternally, but God still chastens us here in time.

Where have i said anything different to this?

If repenting of a sin could save us eternally, it would have to be considered, eternal salvation by works, and we know that it is not by the works of man.

Initially we must repent of our sinful ways.. It is part of the process to be saved.. After salvation we do not have to keep on asking God for His atonement for each and ever sin we commit..

I do understand you not being able to separate the different deliverance's, because I was unable to see it until I was 62 years old. The separation of the deliverance's is the only way that the scriptures can all harmonize.

BUT I DID SEPARATE THEM... Why have you not been reading my Posts? What is the point of going into a discussion with someone if you're going to ignore what the other person is writing? Have i been wasting the last week of discussions with you?

That's what i am thinking at the moment..

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Of course the Atonement of Jesus covers every sin we Christians ever commit.. That's what i have been affirming Time and Time again.. I now suspect that you are so focused on being a teacher that you are not putting any effort into reading my posts.. Telling me that i fail to see that Christs death on the cross for all those that He died for erasing every sin they will ever commit shows me that you are Not taking the time to read my replies.. Now tell me whats the point of me continuing in a discussion when it is becoming clear to me that the other persons level of respect is so low that they are not reading my posts with any diligence?



Where have i said anything different to this?



Initially we must repent of our sinful ways.. It is part of the process to be saved.. After salvation we do not have to keep on asking God for His atonement for each and ever sin we commit..




BUT I DID SEPARATE THEM... Why have you not been reading my Posts? What is the point of going into a discussion with someone if you're going to ignore what the other person is writing? Have i been wasting the last week of discussions with you?

That's what i am thinking at the moment..

I am sorry if my responses seems as though I am not considering your remarks; By you saying that we do not have to be saved multiple times for our eternal slavation caused me to think you were not understanding the timely deliverance's. I am probably not too good about explaining my interpretations, sorry. I do enjoy our conversations.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Of course the Atonement of Jesus covers every sin we Christians ever commit.. That's what i have been affirming Time and Time again.. I now suspect that you are so focused on being a teacher that you are not putting any effort into reading my posts.. Telling me that i fail to see that Christs death on the cross for all those that He died for erasing every sin they will ever commit shows me that you are Not taking the time to read my replies.. Now tell me whats the point of me continuing in a discussion when it is becoming clear to me that the other persons level of respect is so low that they are not reading my posts with any diligence?



Where have i said anything different to this?



Initially we must repent of our sinful ways.. It is part of the process to be saved.. After salvation we do not have to keep on asking God for His atonement for each and ever sin we commit..




BUT I DID SEPARATE THEM... Why have you not been reading my Posts? What is the point of going into a discussion with someone if you're going to ignore what the other person is writing? Have i been wasting the last week of discussions with you?

That's what i am thinking at the moment..

I do admit that we have to repent to receive deliverance here in time, but it has nothing to do with our eternal deliverance. In my understanding of 1 Cor 2:14, the natural man, before he has been born of the Holy Spirit (Eph 2:5) has no guilt of breaking a spiritual law that he cannot discern.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Of course the Atonement of Jesus covers every sin we Christians ever commit.. That's what i have been affirming Time and Time again.. I now suspect that you are so focused on being a teacher that you are not putting any effort into reading my posts.. Telling me that i fail to see that Christs death on the cross for all those that He died for erasing every sin they will ever commit shows me that you are Not taking the time to read my replies.. Now tell me whats the point of me continuing in a discussion when it is becoming clear to me that the other persons level of respect is so low that they are not reading my posts with any diligence?



Where have i said anything different to this?



Initially we must repent of our sinful ways.. It is part of the process to be saved.. After salvation we do not have to keep on asking God for His atonement for each and ever sin we commit..




BUT I DID SEPARATE THEM... Why have you not been reading my Posts? What is the point of going into a discussion with someone if you're going to ignore what the other person is writing? Have i been wasting the last week of discussions with you?

That's what i am thinking at the moment..

If you are saying that repenting of our sins is necessary for eternal salvation, it leads me to believe that you are not understanding the timely deliverance from the eternal deliverance. If I have read you wrong, let me know. Repenting of our sins is part of the process of our timely deliverance, but not of our eternal deliverance.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

If God chastens all of those that he loves as stated in Hebrews 12:6, then why does he not chasten those mentioned in Psalms 73:5 - They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they PLAGUED (Thayer's Greek translation = divinely punished) like other men?

God loves man, and wants to open the door that those who will respond to love will
walk towards Him and accept His cleansing and walk into eternity.

God does not love lost disfunctional sinners who will never respond and will stubbornly
stay lost in sin and be sent to hell for destruction.

It is clear only those who can respond and respond can be saved, because the basis of
heaven is a free choice to abide in Christ and strive to walk in His ways.

Without active choice there is no salvation or love expressed because love is active and
not passive, it desires to serve and help not let sin and self indulgence reign.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

No.. He has been prepared by the Holy Spirit to receive the gift of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. It is that acceptance that transitions one from being damned to being saved..

Being remorseful and contrite for ones transgressions does not save a person.. But it is a correct step in the Way that leads to eternal salvation..

To me the natural man described in 1 Cor 2:14 until he has been reborn with a new heart, cannot feel sorry for breaking a spiritual law that he cannot discern. Maybe I am interpreting it wrong, what is your take on it?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

God loves man, and wants to open the door that those who will respond to love will
walk towards Him and accept His cleansing and walk into eternity.

God does not love lost disfunctional sinners who will never respond and will stubbornly
stay lost in sin and be sent to hell for destruction.

It is clear only those who can respond and respond can be saved, because the basis of
heaven is a free choice to abide in Christ and strive to walk in His ways.

Without active choice there is no salvation or love expressed because love is active and
not passive, it desires to serve and help not let sin and self indulgence reign.

I have read a lot of responses that say that God, by his foreknowledge looked down through time and choose those that would respond favorable to his offer. I would think that would not harmonize with Psalms 53:2-3. What do you think?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Well i am not sure what you are trying to say in regards to Lazarus.. But no lazarus had no say in regards to Jesus bringing him back to life.. just like we had no say in if we where going to be created or not..



I believe a person is either in the right place with God and is in a state of salvation or they are in a state of damnation.. So i am saved here on earth at this particular moment in time.. Now i cannot see how i could ever change and start to disbelieve Jesus and reject His atonement.. But people can fall away from the truth and reject the gift of salvation they once embraced..



Well there is deliverance from that sickness if His will is to heal us..



What are you talking about?

Delivered from our deserved eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire multiple times?? No.. That happens just once when we believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured for our salvation..

Delivered from worldly troubles?? Yes..

Being delivered from worldly troubles is where many scriptures use the word "saved" which has reference to a deliverance (salvation) here in time. Most bible students apply all salvation scriptures to "eternal salvation" when, in fact, most of them have reference to deliverance's we receive from worldly troubles. That is why they are prone to think that man has to take an action (work) to obtain eternal salvation. Our good works is essential to obtaining deliverance's (salvation's) from worldly troubles, which has nothing to do with our eternal salvation.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

No.. I made a distinction to the limit of those kinds of deliverance to the worldly things like sickness.. In no way do i believe being delivered from cancer is the same as being delivered from the eternal lake of fire..



I most strongly disagree with the part i have bolded... We do not fall away from salvation because we sin.. We fall away from salvation when we no longer believe Jesus ( His Words ) or we no longer trust that the Atonement He secured for our salvation is effective in saving us..

I believe that bolded part is Works salvation preaching and i do not believe anyone who believes that their eternal salvation is dependent on their success in avoiding sin has the Blood of the LORD Jesus Christ covering them.. We are saved by:

1) Believing Jesus..
2) Trusting in the Atonement that secures for us forgiveness for all our sins..





So according to your doctrine the only conclusion i can come to is that if a person fails to repent each time they sin then their sin shall not be forgiven them and thus on the day of judgement they will be found guilty of that sin and will be cast into the eternal lake of fire... woe to the person then who forgets to repent each and every time they sin..

So if your doctrine is correct and a Christian is driving a car and someone cuts them of and they cuss that person out and while in the process of sinning this sin they lose control of their car and crash and are killed without having time to ask for forgiveness they will be doomed to the eternal lake of fire...



Well i believe that each man can be saved when the Holy Spirit brings them conviction.. But i have said this before and you have stated your position before so we are just repeating our positions at this point..

We do not fall away from eternal salvation when we sin, but we do fall away from God's fellowship while we live here on earth until we repent.