What made you think of saying 'hourly rest'?
I see it more as a constant rest.
But overall, glad we agree.
Honoring the Sabbath
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But overall, glad we agree.
If you can quote Jesus as saying He didn't come to abolish law but fulfill, how can you then preach that He abolished the Sabbath that was established on the seventh day of creation?
To abolish this day would require not only to abolish a day we are to physically rest our bodies as well as restore our spirits, but it would require that God recreate our world and land. God made it part of our world that He created.
Jesus says he came to fulfill it that means the Sabbath was about him.
When he died for us is when he completely fulfilled it and that means observe Jesus not days.
Now worshiping days is worthless towards salvation.
Not quite, for God made the plan for salvation, our rest, to be in Jesus, AND GOD made that plan before the creation of the world.
So you see that when God made the Seventh day for rest, it was a prophecy about Jesus who would come.
"Having died with Him, so that we no longer live for ourselves but for Him who died and rose again."
"Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh on this wise: And God did rest the seventh day from all His works. And in this again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: again, He limited a certain day, saying in David: To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear His voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would He not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into His rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief."
When we have died with Him we enter into rest. "A dead man is free from sin."
"One man regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." When we no longer live for ourselves but in the death and Resurrection of Christ, we no longer work as the letter of law killed us. What matters is that we grow up in Love, to Love our enemies.
I heard in my heart: don't be concerned.
This thread is about the Sabbath which in turn is part of the Mosaic Law, the old covenant. This Covenant was done away with
by Christ's sacrifice. It no longer applies to anyone and never will again. The Bible is a progressive revelation pointing towards
Christ and a restored creation. The old covenant ended with the destruction of the Temple and sacrificial system. Those who
want to retain all or part of the old covenant have no idea what the Bible is about.
by Christ's sacrifice. It no longer applies to anyone and never will again. The Bible is a progressive revelation pointing towards
Christ and a restored creation. The old covenant ended with the destruction of the Temple and sacrificial system. Those who
want to retain all or part of the old covenant have no idea what the Bible is about.
"What things were gain for me, those I counted loss for Christ. I count all things but loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things and consider them waste, that I may gain Christ, and be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but through Faith in Christ, the righteousness that comes from God by Faith. That I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformed to His death; and persevere that I may attain the resurrection of the dead."
Does "Six days shall you work," apply with the command "Daily pick up your cross and follow Me." When at the cross life is no longer about me, not for one day, not for 6 days, not ever, unless one is turned away from the cross.
Revelation 10:7 "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."
We cant help but marvel at godly coincidences in the bible. This verse 7 is preceded by "Time shall be no longer," in verse 6, and the number 10 has hidden meaning of Judgment, "Behold the enemy shall cast some of you in prison 10 days, be Faithful unto death and you will receive a crown of Life.
Does "Six days shall you work," apply with the command "Daily pick up your cross and follow Me." When at the cross life is no longer about me, not for one day, not for 6 days, not ever, unless one is turned away from the cross.
Revelation 10:7 "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."
We cant help but marvel at godly coincidences in the bible. This verse 7 is preceded by "Time shall be no longer," in verse 6, and the number 10 has hidden meaning of Judgment, "Behold the enemy shall cast some of you in prison 10 days, be Faithful unto death and you will receive a crown of Life.
I guess I'm going to go a different direction with the meaning of sabbath rest. I used to say too that Jesus is our sabbath rest, and I wouldn't say it's wrong, but there's more to be seen.
In Isaiah 28 which a few of us have been debating about, the rest is said to be:
11 Very well, then, by strange lips and foreign tongues the LORD will speak to this people
12 to whom he said, "This is the resting place, so give rest to the weary"- And "This is the place of repose- but they would not listen."
Jesus gave us rest from our human nature and having to control it by law and gave us Holy Spirit, creating a new people of Spirit. Putting our old nature to death with Him on His Cross. Then- Gifting us that we might rest in Him in every way.
We are now Spirit, no longer flesh, we live in the Spirit, walk in the Spirit, and speak in the Spirit. And all power comes from Him.
Scripture says it as living, moving and having our being in Him.
We can do this for this is way of peace to our soul. If we find ourselves striving or out of peace, we have gone back to law in our thinking.
Complete rest from earthy Adam is our sabbath.
Failure? We fall back somehow? No condemnation. Put faith into His goodness and grace and go on.
In Isaiah 28 which a few of us have been debating about, the rest is said to be:
11 Very well, then, by strange lips and foreign tongues the LORD will speak to this people
12 to whom he said, "This is the resting place, so give rest to the weary"- And "This is the place of repose- but they would not listen."
Jesus gave us rest from our human nature and having to control it by law and gave us Holy Spirit, creating a new people of Spirit. Putting our old nature to death with Him on His Cross. Then- Gifting us that we might rest in Him in every way.
We are now Spirit, no longer flesh, we live in the Spirit, walk in the Spirit, and speak in the Spirit. And all power comes from Him.
Scripture says it as living, moving and having our being in Him.
We can do this for this is way of peace to our soul. If we find ourselves striving or out of peace, we have gone back to law in our thinking.
Complete rest from earthy Adam is our sabbath.
Failure? We fall back somehow? No condemnation. Put faith into His goodness and grace and go on.
No, I don't think God created a Sabbath only as a prophecy of Christ, there is much, very much, more to the creation of the Sabbath for us.
It seems to me that you would like to justify using the word "rest" in only one separate aspect of that word. As the word rest is used to explain the Sabbath to us, it includes a multitude of spiritual truth, we are not to limit ourselves so we only comprehend one.
Your assumption that our loving giving God is a God who destroys what He has created is in error. Your exact words are "done away with". God does not destroy, God builds. God gives. God adds. Your destructive God is an idol you have created, for it is not of God so all the rest of your post has to be in error. In giving the new covenant God added, God built, God made better, God gave the Holy Spirit, but God did not do away with.
The temple is not destroyed, we are to learn all that the temple on earth was symbolic of for we are now the temple. It is not destroyed, it is changed. The rituals were given as a guidance to man to obey the law. Circumcision was symbolic of many things, those things are not destroyed because we have the Holy Spirit to guide us, we are to learn all about what the fleshly circumcision did and represented because it is NOT destroyed, we are to have this very exact ceremony without needing the fleshly part. In the very same way the sacrificial system was NOT destroyed, that system was the symbolic shedding of the blood of Christ for the payment for our sin and we are to learn all about it so we know about Christ, Christ is our sacrifice. Because the killing of the symbolic blood is not required it does not mean that God destroyed what it stood for.
With all this poo pooing of these systems you are saying that God is not powerful and what God has done for us is to be criticized, we are to honor God and ALL God's ways.
Genesis 6:13, Jeremiah 32:42, Isaiah 45:7 and many other passages testify that it is you who are in error on this matter.
In the midst of all your arguing that God hasn't changed anything, here you are claiming that God changed the temple.
smh...
There are quite a few threads on the Sabbath. You should be able to find answers to your questions on them. The Sabbath was given to Israel, but the Lord's Day was given to Church.
Jesus did not come to do away with the law or the prophets but to fulfil. So law and Grace are here until the end, to kill lawbreakers that they may see their need of Grace. I'm of the understanding that these are the 2 witnesses, The law and the prophets and Grace and Truth. Why is the law and the prophets not considered Grace and Truth? "We had the sentence of death in ourselves that we should not trust in ourselves but in God who raises the dead." Preaching law to those that are dead is pointless, they have died and will not hear. When Peter was called he said to Jesus, depart from me I'm a sinful man" He had died and could not hear the law, but was able to hear Grace and truth." Most religious leaders could not hear Grace and truth because they loved the praises of the people more than the praise of God and desired to keep the people in bondage as they were. Since all died, Jesus died for all. "And their dead bodies in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." Sodom refers to those who have died in sin. "It will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment." Those who have sinned don't judge others, knowing they would be judged with the same judgment. Egypt refers to slaves under law, judging and expecting others to do as they do
No need to tell me that I don't understand this mystery, but there may be need for you to accept that you overlook "One thing." We have died under law. So that "One thing is needful." "One thing I do, forgetting what lies behind, I'm press on, to go on to perfection." One thing: Grace, the influence of God, Identified with Him in Him in His death, to walk in newness of Life.
You put a day up there with God. It isn't 'God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Sabbath'.
You refuse the scriptures and to be reasoned with.
If you keep on insisting that we are to observe special days, then the scriptures say you are a bitter root and if anyone believe you, you have defiled them.
The temple in Jerusalem was literally destroyed. And Christ is the reality of everything that occurred in the temple in Jerusalem. But He is now in the temple in Heaven.
So whether you wish to use the word "destroyed" for the Mosaic sacrificial system, or you wish to use the word "abolished" (which is totally accurate) the fact of the matter is that god Himself REPLACED the Old Covenant (which had deficiencies) with the New Covenant (which is perfect because of Christ). Now if you try to restore or revive the Old Covenant YOU ARE ACTUALLY FIGHTING GOD AND CHRIST.
Yes abolished is exactly what I meant. The old Covenant System was temporary. The reality is Christ. My post was towards those who
wish to reverse this God ordained plan and return wholly or partially back to the Mosaic Covenant, the same sort of people Paul fought
against. This subject is far wider than this thread and postings allow for.