Showing your faith by your works
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wrong again, like a said before, the berean Jews tested Pauls teachings against scripture. if Paul was teaching something new there would be no reason to do that.
your picking and choosing which parts of the bible you want to follow, Jesus says not to do that.
the idea that Jesus was teaching to Jews, and only Jews doesnt work anyway. the Jews were an example to all nations, in other words whats good for the Jews is good for the nations.
your picking and choosing which parts of the bible you want to follow, Jesus says not to do that.
the idea that Jesus was teaching to Jews, and only Jews doesnt work anyway. the Jews were an example to all nations, in other words whats good for the Jews is good for the nations.
Well there is not much point rehashing that distinction. If you are not convinced, you will probably never be. Its okay you are still saved.
For the interested, you can view this long discussion thread
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/are-there-two-gospels-or-one.182029/
For the interested, you can view this long discussion thread
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/are-there-two-gospels-or-one.182029/
Hi A couple things I would offer ..
The "faith of Christ" in James and Ephesian is not alone. If it did not work to please the father according to that three day labor of love. Then we would still be alone today without a savior.
When a person refuses to acknowledge Christ's work of faith as a labor of His love. Them you would ask... where does their faith come from that does work in us if not the faith of Christ? What if some refuse to believe have faith in Christ? will their unbelief no faith make the faith of God that does work in those who do believe...without effect? if so how could we let every man seen be lair in order to prove God true? (Romans 3)
In respect to the subject. "Showing your faith by your works" I would offer rather. "Showing His faith by his workings in us with us". The better thing that accompanies salvation. That he promises he will not forget that we have offered towards His name, Jesus.
Faith is a wonderment or a revealer of mysteries they are found in parables throughout the Bible. They are of God's design to commune with those in whom he has given his faith to make it possible to believe Him not seen. and hide it from them that show no interest in doing the good work of finding the understanding hid. Its a privileged to the new creation as a kingdom of Priests to seek out that which he has concealed from natural man.
Its east y to get that turned upside down as did Peter in the last chapter of John, this is when he got his eyes of Christ and placed them on John. It is why we must be carful on how we say we hear ,what kind of ears we use? .
Rather than showing our faith by our works as if it was a sign gift. We show His faithfulness to work in in us to both will and do His good pleasure. We can because he is in us.
The "faith of Christ" in James and Ephesian is not alone. If it did not work to please the father according to that three day labor of love. Then we would still be alone today without a savior.
When a person refuses to acknowledge Christ's work of faith as a labor of His love. Them you would ask... where does their faith come from that does work in us if not the faith of Christ? What if some refuse to believe have faith in Christ? will their unbelief no faith make the faith of God that does work in those who do believe...without effect? if so how could we let every man seen be lair in order to prove God true? (Romans 3)
In respect to the subject. "Showing your faith by your works" I would offer rather. "Showing His faith by his workings in us with us". The better thing that accompanies salvation. That he promises he will not forget that we have offered towards His name, Jesus.
Faith is a wonderment or a revealer of mysteries they are found in parables throughout the Bible. They are of God's design to commune with those in whom he has given his faith to make it possible to believe Him not seen. and hide it from them that show no interest in doing the good work of finding the understanding hid. Its a privileged to the new creation as a kingdom of Priests to seek out that which he has concealed from natural man.
Its east y to get that turned upside down as did Peter in the last chapter of John, this is when he got his eyes of Christ and placed them on John. It is why we must be carful on how we say we hear ,what kind of ears we use? .
Rather than showing our faith by our works as if it was a sign gift. We show His faithfulness to work in in us to both will and do His good pleasure. We can because he is in us.
That whole reply I personally answer with a simple sentence. No matter what “you” want to take and add to the text or put your own spin on the text.
“By His grace He has changed me and I now want to follow His example, and not only did the “Man” Christ Jesus pray Gods will be done in His toughest hour, as an example top us, but when the disciples asked Hid to teach them how to pray, He specifically said pray like this-
“Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
Your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.”
So again on two occasions Jesus Christ our King commands and leads me by example specifically to pray to be in Gods. For you to say the opposite is true, is "nonsense" from my point of view, if I am understanding you correctly, and you're pretty clear. I also don't totally disagree with what you're saying about faith either, but when you tell me that praying "not my will but Your will be done", is wrong, or makes my faith worthless or something like this, I disagree. I'm also talking specifically about the Copeland style, "word of faith" type heretical nonsense that plays like God is a tool for our gain and to bring about "our will", I completely disagree with very strongly. Honestly it seems you are not really saying that, and again I agree with pretty much everything else you're saying, but this comment specifically
"If you say, "if it be your will...", in prayer to God, then again, you have no faith for whatever you prayed for",
I say who on earth are you to tell anyone what faith they have for any reason? Sorry but you don't get to just "declare" that, and demean those who pray to be in the will of our Father, the very purpose for which we are all created. I think more people need to pray less for their will, and pray more like this, more for Gods to be done, and our wills to line up with truth. But that is admittedly just my opinion, but what is not opinion is the fact you don't get to judge the faithfulness of others prayers the way you did in that one specific comment. That's my only point, I find that single idea completely wrong, and far beyond any of our abilities to even presume to know about another persons relationship with God. The same way I don't get to do that to you and how you pray to God. Me I'm personally going to follow what Jesus clearly teaches and demonstrates by example before what you tell me, but to be fair expect you to do the same, so if you think praying like that is wrong then by all means don't do it, but you don't get to tell me how to pray or how much the prayer means to God. You have to see that.
“By His grace He has changed me and I now want to follow His example, and not only did the “Man” Christ Jesus pray Gods will be done in His toughest hour, as an example top us, but when the disciples asked Hid to teach them how to pray, He specifically said pray like this-
“Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
Your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.”
So again on two occasions Jesus Christ our King commands and leads me by example specifically to pray to be in Gods. For you to say the opposite is true, is "nonsense" from my point of view, if I am understanding you correctly, and you're pretty clear. I also don't totally disagree with what you're saying about faith either, but when you tell me that praying "not my will but Your will be done", is wrong, or makes my faith worthless or something like this, I disagree. I'm also talking specifically about the Copeland style, "word of faith" type heretical nonsense that plays like God is a tool for our gain and to bring about "our will", I completely disagree with very strongly. Honestly it seems you are not really saying that, and again I agree with pretty much everything else you're saying, but this comment specifically
"If you say, "if it be your will...", in prayer to God, then again, you have no faith for whatever you prayed for",
I say who on earth are you to tell anyone what faith they have for any reason? Sorry but you don't get to just "declare" that, and demean those who pray to be in the will of our Father, the very purpose for which we are all created. I think more people need to pray less for their will, and pray more like this, more for Gods to be done, and our wills to line up with truth. But that is admittedly just my opinion, but what is not opinion is the fact you don't get to judge the faithfulness of others prayers the way you did in that one specific comment. That's my only point, I find that single idea completely wrong, and far beyond any of our abilities to even presume to know about another persons relationship with God. The same way I don't get to do that to you and how you pray to God. Me I'm personally going to follow what Jesus clearly teaches and demonstrates by example before what you tell me, but to be fair expect you to do the same, so if you think praying like that is wrong then by all means don't do it, but you don't get to tell me how to pray or how much the prayer means to God. You have to see that.
Good points.
One thing we must keep in mind is that "faith is a work ".The moment a person attempts to separate it from a work the house of cards falls having nothing to bind the two together as one. No work...…. no faith.
It can get confusing at times. Faith, looking for the eternal understanding is mysterious as a work. Faith without the working of it are dead. Because in it effect it takes two to make one faith complete .A person must be careful how we say we hear..
Like the verse below. It might appear to some "if it be your will...", but rather Jesus was working with the father (Isaiah 53) asking that it only pass if the two work to together as one work of faith to make it complete.
Jesus praying out loud was for our benefit . He was already being faithful to the will of the father by asking for strength to finish the work he had begun . He always finishes or he does not begin to create as our Faithful Creator
In most case that I have experienced usually it has to with the idea God needing faith. Many say God does not need or have faith.
Makes the enemy grin as in "you're in". It was the goal of devil to take away the faith of two working together ,when mankind chose to do the pleasure of one seen .Instant gratification no faith needed in respect to God unseen.
What we need is. The faith of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God. Don't leave Earth without it
Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Two wills working together as one mutual work of faith or wlls working in submission to one anther. The fathers the greater and the Sons that took the lower seat of humility Together they e rbig the peace of God that surpases our understanding.
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, "one faith", one baptism,
One thing we must keep in mind is that "faith is a work ".The moment a person attempts to separate it from a work the house of cards falls having nothing to bind the two together as one. No work...…. no faith.
It can get confusing at times. Faith, looking for the eternal understanding is mysterious as a work. Faith without the working of it are dead. Because in it effect it takes two to make one faith complete .A person must be careful how we say we hear..
Like the verse below. It might appear to some "if it be your will...", but rather Jesus was working with the father (Isaiah 53) asking that it only pass if the two work to together as one work of faith to make it complete.
Jesus praying out loud was for our benefit . He was already being faithful to the will of the father by asking for strength to finish the work he had begun . He always finishes or he does not begin to create as our Faithful Creator
In most case that I have experienced usually it has to with the idea God needing faith. Many say God does not need or have faith.
Makes the enemy grin as in "you're in". It was the goal of devil to take away the faith of two working together ,when mankind chose to do the pleasure of one seen .Instant gratification no faith needed in respect to God unseen.
What we need is. The faith of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God. Don't leave Earth without it
Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Two wills working together as one mutual work of faith or wlls working in submission to one anther. The fathers the greater and the Sons that took the lower seat of humility Together they e rbig the peace of God that surpases our understanding.
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, "one faith", one baptism,
"I'm not advocating bypassing God's will.
We should pray IN LINE with God's will BY PRAYING ACCORDING TO HIS WORD."
The above statement is a direct quote from my post you replied to.
You misunderstood what I was saying. I'm not against knowing and praying for the will of God to be done, I'm for it and propagate the same.
Again, I do NOT agree with ignoring what God's will is nor should we try to do our own thing.
On the contrary, we should seek God's will, that we may have confidence in God to answer our prayers.
That is my whole point. If you don't know what His will is, then you cannot have any confidence God will grant you your request.
1Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jn 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
So I say again, in light of the above scripture, if you don't know what God's will is, you cannot have any confidence He will grant you your request.
Knowing what His will is, will allow you to have confidence. Not knowing, will prevent you from having confidence in God.
Thayer's definition of 'confidence' is, "free and fearless confidence, cheerful courage, boldness, assurance".
Definitions of the word confidence is, Freedom from doubt, full trust, belief in the powers, trustworthiness, or reliability of a person or thing, certitude, assurance.
A synonym to that is, having faith.
Asking God without KNOWING His will, is the same as hoping, wishing, and wondering what He will do. None of those inspires confidence.
That doesn't even come close to having fearless confidence, boldness, or assurance.
So, knowing the will of God before you ask for anything, to me, is very important for you to believe or have confidence for God to answer your request.
And based on my understanding of that and what faith is and how it works, I can say, in most cases, who has faith and who does not.
I can also say, at the very least, what we should NOT pray.
Any prayer that casts doubt on the subject, is obviously NOT of faith, and should not be prayed.
Doubt is not in the will of God. If it doesn't please Him, then it is not in His will.
For we know that faith is the ONLY way to please God, and not know what His will is, is not of faith.
We should pray IN LINE with God's will BY PRAYING ACCORDING TO HIS WORD."
The above statement is a direct quote from my post you replied to.
You misunderstood what I was saying. I'm not against knowing and praying for the will of God to be done, I'm for it and propagate the same.
Again, I do NOT agree with ignoring what God's will is nor should we try to do our own thing.
On the contrary, we should seek God's will, that we may have confidence in God to answer our prayers.
That is my whole point. If you don't know what His will is, then you cannot have any confidence God will grant you your request.
1Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
1Jn 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
So I say again, in light of the above scripture, if you don't know what God's will is, you cannot have any confidence He will grant you your request.
Knowing what His will is, will allow you to have confidence. Not knowing, will prevent you from having confidence in God.
Thayer's definition of 'confidence' is, "free and fearless confidence, cheerful courage, boldness, assurance".
Definitions of the word confidence is, Freedom from doubt, full trust, belief in the powers, trustworthiness, or reliability of a person or thing, certitude, assurance.
A synonym to that is, having faith.
Asking God without KNOWING His will, is the same as hoping, wishing, and wondering what He will do. None of those inspires confidence.
That doesn't even come close to having fearless confidence, boldness, or assurance.
So, knowing the will of God before you ask for anything, to me, is very important for you to believe or have confidence for God to answer your request.
And based on my understanding of that and what faith is and how it works, I can say, in most cases, who has faith and who does not.
I can also say, at the very least, what we should NOT pray.
Any prayer that casts doubt on the subject, is obviously NOT of faith, and should not be prayed.
Doubt is not in the will of God. If it doesn't please Him, then it is not in His will.
For we know that faith is the ONLY way to please God, and not know what His will is, is not of faith.
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Fair enough, and I tried to say that through the whole thing, that it was only that single thing I even felt the need to comment on because of it's attachment to false teachers. I just truly have a problem with the idea anyone thinks they can tell someone how they are supposed to speak to God. That was how I took it, but I see how you meant it and agree. Sorry if I came off too strong or anything, I just like to get strait to the point anymore, and when I see Jesus say "pray this way", then see a guy say "don't pray exactly like Jesus told us too because it really means this x..y..x..", and hope you can appreciate that. But see this is what I like, we actually listen to each other and respond to what is actually being said, instead of just labeling each other, then attacking the things I think you believe that you've never even actually ever said, yet you are "label" and we all know what they believe.
So I too believe God does give us that boldness and confidence to pray for and ask of Him knowing He will do it, but if you for 1 second think that at all excludes me from praying "but not my will but YOURS be done", full trusting in, and boldly knowing the He knows whats best for me SO much better than I do. When you get down to the core it's about Him, not "ME". Period. Again that's how I have grown to see it this far. Salvation only enables us to actually go out and glorify Him, I'm not born again to glorify me. In Him I am glorified, in Him I am bold, in Him I know who I can trust. Not me.
So I too believe God does give us that boldness and confidence to pray for and ask of Him knowing He will do it, but if you for 1 second think that at all excludes me from praying "but not my will but YOURS be done", full trusting in, and boldly knowing the He knows whats best for me SO much better than I do. When you get down to the core it's about Him, not "ME". Period. Again that's how I have grown to see it this far. Salvation only enables us to actually go out and glorify Him, I'm not born again to glorify me. In Him I am glorified, in Him I am bold, in Him I know who I can trust. Not me.
We do know that Gods will is not to let any of his creation be naked, or starve.
Why because He clothed Adam and Eve when they realised they naked, and He gave them good things to eat, and warned them what would kill them. When they ate the wrong thing, He gave the, sustenance and taught them to grow their own food,
Later we see that God provided the israelites with manna in the desert, fresh water from the rock, and shoes that didnt wear out. Our God is a good God and he wants us to do good to others. Thats His will.
Jesus provided for 5000 hungry people when his disciples had no money or catering. He also clothes us with Christ, he gives us garments of praise. The woman with the issue of blood said to herself, if ican just but touch his garment, I will be healed.
Can you imagine, her clothes bloodstained for 12 years. All women know what its like to have a period for 5-7 days what a mess it makes and how unclean that is. The constant laundry! We know what its like to be naked and not decently covered, how vulnerable it makes us! Babies need clothes, children are constantly needing new clothes as they are growing. And they need to be clean.
Well James is just saying a fact of life that none of us can ignore...! Would you leave someone who is naked and starving by the wayside? Esp a brother? Examine yourselves...what would you do? Do you have enough faith to do a good work?
Why because He clothed Adam and Eve when they realised they naked, and He gave them good things to eat, and warned them what would kill them. When they ate the wrong thing, He gave the, sustenance and taught them to grow their own food,
Later we see that God provided the israelites with manna in the desert, fresh water from the rock, and shoes that didnt wear out. Our God is a good God and he wants us to do good to others. Thats His will.
Jesus provided for 5000 hungry people when his disciples had no money or catering. He also clothes us with Christ, he gives us garments of praise. The woman with the issue of blood said to herself, if ican just but touch his garment, I will be healed.
Can you imagine, her clothes bloodstained for 12 years. All women know what its like to have a period for 5-7 days what a mess it makes and how unclean that is. The constant laundry! We know what its like to be naked and not decently covered, how vulnerable it makes us! Babies need clothes, children are constantly needing new clothes as they are growing. And they need to be clean.
Well James is just saying a fact of life that none of us can ignore...! Would you leave someone who is naked and starving by the wayside? Esp a brother? Examine yourselves...what would you do? Do you have enough faith to do a good work?
Even though I tell people, faith is having a confident assurance, that what we ask for will manifest, I don't actually see it that way.
I tell them that because that is what they understand it to be. Which is what I use to think as well.
I believe the KJV interpreted Hebrews 11:1 correctly, in that faith, being a noun, is a person, place, or thing.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
I see faith being the very thing we desire or ask for. Whether is be for a material thing or healing, it is the thing we envision as having. Not, will have some day, but having, as in, present tense.
James put it a different way.
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James relates or connects the body to faith, and the spirit with works.
He shows faith as a person with a body, similar to our physical bodies or an animal, bird, or fish.
According to both Paul and James, every physical body requires a spirit to live of have life, even as faith requires a spirit to live.
Remove the spirit, and there goes the life.
Jesus put it another way.
Mar 4:24 And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
Mar 4:25 For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath.
Have what, and what shall be given?
How can you presently have something you don't really have, but will have or shall be given to you, sometime in the future?
Point being, if you ask for something and know it has been given, then you will act on that by doing a work that corresponds to the thing you believe you have, or the thing you know has been given to you.
God said, EVERYONE that asks, RECEIVES. NOT some, but EVERYONE.
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Is it a good thing we are asking for? Then we should have confidence in God's faithfulness to fulfill His promise to us.
That is some of what I see faith as being.
I tell them that because that is what they understand it to be. Which is what I use to think as well.
I believe the KJV interpreted Hebrews 11:1 correctly, in that faith, being a noun, is a person, place, or thing.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
I see faith being the very thing we desire or ask for. Whether is be for a material thing or healing, it is the thing we envision as having. Not, will have some day, but having, as in, present tense.
James put it a different way.
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James relates or connects the body to faith, and the spirit with works.
He shows faith as a person with a body, similar to our physical bodies or an animal, bird, or fish.
According to both Paul and James, every physical body requires a spirit to live of have life, even as faith requires a spirit to live.
Remove the spirit, and there goes the life.
Jesus put it another way.
Mar 4:24 And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
Mar 4:25 For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath.
Have what, and what shall be given?
How can you presently have something you don't really have, but will have or shall be given to you, sometime in the future?
Point being, if you ask for something and know it has been given, then you will act on that by doing a work that corresponds to the thing you believe you have, or the thing you know has been given to you.
God said, EVERYONE that asks, RECEIVES. NOT some, but EVERYONE.
Mat 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
Is it a good thing we are asking for? Then we should have confidence in God's faithfulness to fulfill His promise to us.
That is some of what I see faith as being.
I hate to break this to you sir, but many here on CC consider me a heretic. One who teaches false doctrines and lies of the devil. One who twists scripture to make it say what I believe.
None of that bothers me, because I know different.
I know me, and what I am like, and if my conscience is clear, then I shouldn't try to change what I believe just to please those who are out for my hurt or to destroy me.
Given time, if you read more of my posts, I am sure you will see me as some others do.
But for now, it is nice we can agree on something.
A quick story about God's will and prayer.
Years ago, when gps's first came out, I had one that got fried in the summer heat on the dash of my vehicle.
So I bought another one, but it was a different kind.
I didn't like the new one as much as the old one I had, so I asked God if He would get me another one of the old ones, even though they had stopped making them, for about three years.
So, one day, I was driving down the freeway, when suddenly I had a strong prompting to take and exit.
I almost missed it, and had to swerve pretty hard to make the off ramp in time.
After I pulled off, I kept saying out loud, "why did I pull off here?"
So I pulled into a gas station, and when I went inside, what do you think I saw in the enclosed glass showcase?
The very gps I wanted and asked God for.
I never asked God if it was His will for me to have it or not. I just asked Him for it and expected Him to give it and though it took months before He led me to it, I still got what I asked for.
Why did I expect God to give it to me without asking Him if it was His will for me to have it or not?
Because my conscience didn't bother me when I asked and because I knew it was not a bad thing to ask for, even though it was for me and not someone else.
My wife did something similar in that she wanted two of something that was sold out after Christmas.
My daughter said she looked all over and there was only one left.
My wife said she asked God for two, so there will be two when she gets there.
She said when she got there, the store had two of the very thing she believed God for. And to my daughter's amazement, she said, that wasn't they earlier.
God gives to them who believe it is already given.
None of that bothers me, because I know different.
I know me, and what I am like, and if my conscience is clear, then I shouldn't try to change what I believe just to please those who are out for my hurt or to destroy me.
Given time, if you read more of my posts, I am sure you will see me as some others do.
But for now, it is nice we can agree on something.
A quick story about God's will and prayer.
Years ago, when gps's first came out, I had one that got fried in the summer heat on the dash of my vehicle.
So I bought another one, but it was a different kind.
I didn't like the new one as much as the old one I had, so I asked God if He would get me another one of the old ones, even though they had stopped making them, for about three years.
So, one day, I was driving down the freeway, when suddenly I had a strong prompting to take and exit.
I almost missed it, and had to swerve pretty hard to make the off ramp in time.
After I pulled off, I kept saying out loud, "why did I pull off here?"
So I pulled into a gas station, and when I went inside, what do you think I saw in the enclosed glass showcase?
The very gps I wanted and asked God for.
I never asked God if it was His will for me to have it or not. I just asked Him for it and expected Him to give it and though it took months before He led me to it, I still got what I asked for.
Why did I expect God to give it to me without asking Him if it was His will for me to have it or not?
Because my conscience didn't bother me when I asked and because I knew it was not a bad thing to ask for, even though it was for me and not someone else.
My wife did something similar in that she wanted two of something that was sold out after Christmas.
My daughter said she looked all over and there was only one left.
My wife said she asked God for two, so there will be two when she gets there.
She said when she got there, the store had two of the very thing she believed God for. And to my daughter's amazement, she said, that wasn't they earlier.
God gives to them who believe it is already given.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Yes the same faith as a noun which without no man could please God not seen. Faith is the light that reveals the paths of mysteries of God. Without it we would stumble over our own design.
One of the largest problems I believe is men refuse to understand that a parson cannot separate faith from the hope of the work it is to accomplish . Like for instance our Faithful Creator by faith (believing something would appear he worked to announced the word )the living brought substance where none existed beforehand. And the light of faith God's faithfulness was very good.
Yes it more showing His faith working in us .Not us having our faith towards him as dead works . We cannot have true faith towards Christ unless the work is according to His will towards us as the hearing coming from of God and not our own hearts . One way I would offer to look at that is by using Hebrews 6.
Hebrews 6 King James Version (KJV Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.
If God permits those who do offer the things done with their hands will understand they are dead works towards Him One demonstration per person is enough to show Christ crucified. Crucifying Christ through these ceremonial laws over and over only exposes him to public shame of them not understanding the things not seen. They might wonder how many time does he have to be crucified to satisfy the just demands of the law.
Later in Chapter 6 it speaks to the believee and reminds us he will not forget the good works we have done in respect to His finished work/ name .
Faith and work all one thing or nothing ?
Yes the same faith as a noun which without no man could please God not seen. Faith is the light that reveals the paths of mysteries of God. Without it we would stumble over our own design.
One of the largest problems I believe is men refuse to understand that a parson cannot separate faith from the hope of the work it is to accomplish . Like for instance our Faithful Creator by faith (believing something would appear he worked to announced the word )the living brought substance where none existed beforehand. And the light of faith God's faithfulness was very good.
Yes it more showing His faith working in us .Not us having our faith towards him as dead works . We cannot have true faith towards Christ unless the work is according to His will towards us as the hearing coming from of God and not our own hearts . One way I would offer to look at that is by using Hebrews 6.
Hebrews 6 King James Version (KJV Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.
If God permits those who do offer the things done with their hands will understand they are dead works towards Him One demonstration per person is enough to show Christ crucified. Crucifying Christ through these ceremonial laws over and over only exposes him to public shame of them not understanding the things not seen. They might wonder how many time does he have to be crucified to satisfy the just demands of the law.
Later in Chapter 6 it speaks to the believee and reminds us he will not forget the good works we have done in respect to His finished work/ name .
Faith and work all one thing or nothing ?
I would be careful on how you say that.
It represents the "name it claim it" upside theology. Taking away God's understanding.
What it is is, if God gives you the desire of your heart to pray for it he who is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases He might give it to you if you have not been acting spoiled. He is the mystery giver. . He has no obligation to the new creature, the creature is obligated to Him, he must increase we must decrease.
It represents the "name it claim it" upside theology. Taking away God's understanding.
What it is is, if God gives you the desire of your heart to pray for it he who is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases He might give it to you if you have not been acting spoiled. He is the mystery giver. . He has no obligation to the new creature, the creature is obligated to Him, he must increase we must decrease.
Exactly!! Great job making it crystal clear. 100% agree with you. The evidence of this transformation shows up in fruit or "works". But it goes hand in hand. To not have fruit is impossible. Its like the fig tree that bore no fruit. Jesus accursed that tree. In this same way we demonstrate our love for God by sharing that love with one another. Forgiving, walking in humilty, sharing about Jesus. These are all fruit that stem from the love of Christ that is in you. If you do not have that then you do not have God.
How can one say they love God yet hate his brother. The Love of God is not in him. How can he love God who he has not seen. And this is the first and second commandment. You cant be a true Christian if you are not demonstrating love. If that is works for someone then that just shows something is wrong in your heart. It isnt works and it isnt done for salvation. Thats just wrong motives. It comes natural to the born again Christian. Because the Spirit of God lives in that person. And God is love.
How can one say they love God yet hate his brother. The Love of God is not in him. How can he love God who he has not seen. And this is the first and second commandment. You cant be a true Christian if you are not demonstrating love. If that is works for someone then that just shows something is wrong in your heart. It isnt works and it isnt done for salvation. Thats just wrong motives. It comes natural to the born again Christian. Because the Spirit of God lives in that person. And God is love.
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