Showing your faith by your works
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They call you evil because they do not understand the difference between what saves (faith) and the fruits of faith which necessarily follow. And they think a root without branches or fruit constitutes Christianity. But that was never Jesus' intention. And if they are serious about their relationship with Jesus, Jesus' intention should be the most important thing in the world for them
We do not say bear fruit to be saved or remain saved. That is a strawman built by many for whatever reason. We bear fruit because we are in the root.
We do not say bear fruit to be saved or remain saved. That is a strawman built by many for whatever reason. We bear fruit because we are in the root.
The short end of the stick---->to maintain fellowship (1st John 1) the bible is equally clear that grace out bounds our sin, the spirit that has been born of incorruptible seed does not sin, we are chastened for sin (if allowed to persist) but our eternal destiny is secure as a son of God.......
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Amen. No fruit, no repentance. That is what appalls me about some who say that not all Christians bear fruit or that fruit is unnecessary.
The goodness of God leads you to repentance.
Repentance and faith go together.
Saved by faith.
after you are saved, you bring forth fruit
Then God prunes you
and you bring forth much fruit.
Fruit that remains.
The goodness of God leads you to repentance.
Repentance and faith go together.
Saved by faith.
after you are saved, you bring forth fruit
Then God prunes you
and you bring forth much fruit.
Fruit that remains.
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Who said we do not sin? Why do people keep making up stuff people do nto say in order to support their own position? Do they think they really helps them?
When you were born, did your father and mother not give you instructions on thi gs to do and things to not do.? Or did they just say ok now your born, go live your life? And oh by the way, If you want to continue to be my child. You better obey my commands, and if you do mess up. You better come to me and beg for my forgiveness because on the day you do not do that, I will find out, and I will cast you out and you will no longer be my child..
Of course people do not say or even do this, Yet they want to preach and get people to believe this is exactly what God does!! SMH
When you were born, did your father and mother not give you instructions on thi gs to do and things to not do.? Or did they just say ok now your born, go live your life? And oh by the way, If you want to continue to be my child. You better obey my commands, and if you do mess up. You better come to me and beg for my forgiveness because on the day you do not do that, I will find out, and I will cast you out and you will no longer be my child..
Of course people do not say or even do this, Yet they want to preach and get people to believe this is exactly what God does!! SMH
Fruit and works are the effects of salvation. If you say it that way, you and Pen Ed are in agreement.
You and I see "a changed heart" as part of salvation. Salvation to us is not just justification and then walk around with the same heart. And a changed heart results in a changed life.
So when God saves us, He not only justifies us, He changes our heart. A changed heart is part of salvation. Salvation is a work of God, God changes our heart (regenerates us) when we are saved, and that means a changed heart is part of salvation, ie one of the works of God that He performs when He saves us.
Can one be justified if he is not regenerated? I think both are similtaneous.
You and I see "a changed heart" as part of salvation. Salvation to us is not just justification and then walk around with the same heart. And a changed heart results in a changed life.
So when God saves us, He not only justifies us, He changes our heart. A changed heart is part of salvation. Salvation is a work of God, God changes our heart (regenerates us) when we are saved, and that means a changed heart is part of salvation, ie one of the works of God that He performs when He saves us.
Can one be justified if he is not regenerated? I think both are similtaneous.
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Then why go leglists who think God kicks people out of his family for not living up to some standard THINK they are so holy and righteous? And make them think they are BETTER then they really are? (Remember, Gods standard of righteousness is perfection).
Who is the ones watering down the law? Those who come to the throne of grace ACKNOWLEDGING their sin, or those going around praising God they are not like the sinful OSAS believer?
Then why go leglists who think God kicks people out of his family for not living up to some standard THINK they are so holy and righteous? And make them think they are BETTER then they really are? (Remember, Gods standard of righteousness is perfection).
Who is the ones watering down the law? Those who come to the throne of grace ACKNOWLEDGING their sin, or those going around praising God they are not like the sinful OSAS believer?
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So we can say that works are an offshoot of faith or a characteristic of those who have faith. So it is not a requirement to have faith, but the end result.
And since we are saved by Grace THROUGH FAITH.
We can say Faith is the highway or waterway through which salvation is the end result, and works is the end result?
Instead of what many want us to believe
Is that faith plus works is the highway or waterway through which salvation is the end result (the straight and narrow way) and god forbid if faith or works fall below a certain standard, and you fall off tghe highway or waterway to oblivian?
And since we are saved by Grace THROUGH FAITH.
We can say Faith is the highway or waterway through which salvation is the end result, and works is the end result?
Instead of what many want us to believe
Is that faith plus works is the highway or waterway through which salvation is the end result (the straight and narrow way) and god forbid if faith or works fall below a certain standard, and you fall off tghe highway or waterway to oblivian?
I agree. Yet I also hold that...
A changed heart is part of salvation, it is something GOD DOES when HE saves us. It is regeneration.
...and a changed heart leads to a changed life.
This is not adding works to salvation as some claim, Because the changed heart IS NOT OUR WORK. It is GOD's WORK.
A changed heart is part of salvation, it is something GOD DOES when HE saves us. It is regeneration.
...and a changed heart leads to a changed life.
This is not adding works to salvation as some claim, Because the changed heart IS NOT OUR WORK. It is GOD's WORK.
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Yes, in John 3:3, Jesus said unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. In Titus 3:5, we read - not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit. That certainly is God's work.
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Yes, in John 3:3, Jesus said unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. In Titus 3:5, we read - not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit. That certainly is God's work.
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