What if I am wrong

pottersclay · Apr 15, 2019

There are things I believe wholeheartedly. Studied prayed sought listened. Because of this some of my stands may seem inflexible.

Yet the over-riding thing in my mind is, I'm human. Stupid arrogant blind ignorant. And because of that, I always leave at least 10% chance that I may in fact be wrong.

So, what if we're wrong?

Like on the tongues thing, many of you know me to be a staunch proponent. But I do from time to time ask myself, what if I am wrong? Then what I've involved myself in is foolishness. And yes as a human I'm prooone to foolishness. But then I also think, wow, even in my foolishness, God honored my prayers anyways - and caused what I was praying over to come thru to His glory anyways! Wow. Even in my foolishness HE came thru.

But if you believe they have ceased... what if you're wrong?

Salvation ... I believe it can be forfeited, but ONLY by denying Christ. What if I'm wrong? Well then I've avoided denying Christ for no reason (ykwim

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If you believe it can't be lost ... what if you are wrong?

So that's the question ... what if something you believe is wrong? What might be the consequences?

I believe it's in the book of Bob 23:88...that there's a test Peter gives you before you enter in.😄😄😄
Christ and Christ alone is your salvation saint. In fact ever notice there is no Bible's in heaven???? Not needed.
I'm the greatest example that God even saves stupid people😂😂😂

Noose · Apr 15, 2019

The war is not about flesh and blood but principalities and powers. This means the war is basically about truth and lies.
Satan doesn't come with sickness and accidents and death, these are only the consequences of the condition of our hearts, satan only comes with lies and false doctrines. this is what had been prophesied over and over:

Dan 8:12 And on account of rebellion, the host and the daily sacrifice were given over to the horn, and it flung truth to the ground and prospered in whatever it did.

2 Thess 2:9The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and FALSE wonder, 10and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them.

Possessing lies in one's mind is not that difficult, it is a default state when one doesn't hold on to the truth which is the word of God. Doctrines of satan through men will be jam packed and competing for such a mind (Parable of the sower).

But God has a way of dealing with His elect. He allows death to swiftly remove them from harms way when they start to believe in the lies.

Psalms 116:
15Precious in the sight of the LORD
is the death of His saints.

Isa 57:
1The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
devout men are swept away,
with none considering
that the righteous are guided
from the presence of evil.

2Those who walk uprightly enter into peace;
they find rest, lying down in death.

But the lie is so strong that even the elect would fall for if it were possible. Why do you think it is impossible for the elect to fall for it? Is it because God takes them home and their days are shortened?

Matt 24:21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened.

And people are still waiting for the man of sin to stand in a podium and announce that he is christ- never going to happen and even if it happens, it will be part of a bigger plan to delude the masses.

So what if we are wrong?
It depends, narrow is the road and very few find it.

MattforJesus · Apr 15, 2019

Adelia said:

The Church is the Church, and people are people for they have not changed, so whatever was for the people back then concerning the Church applies today.

But when we are in our glorified body then we have changed, although we change by the Spirit on earth, but we are still in the flesh, and need to be edified, and have knowledge of God's word while on earth.

1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

We know there is prophesies to come in the future, and people can still relate to the Church by the Spirit what God would want them to do, and we know we must have knowledge of God's word on earth.

Of course prophesies can cease once they pass, but they do not cease from being written in God's word to know, and all scripture is given by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and good for edifying of the person, and knowledge cannot cease for we must always have that, and God said His people perish for lack of knowledge.

But tongues might have passed away, but that did not pass away either, for there is a benefit there also, for if tongues are for the edifying of ourselves then why would they pass away, and no man can tame the tongue, the most unruliest part of the body, but if they could they could become a perfect man, and could bridle the whole body abstaining from sin, so does the Spirit tame the tongue.

Out of faith, hope, and charity, love in action, charity is the greatest, and never fails, for faith, and hope are not needed in heaven, but only on earth, so they will cease when the saints are in heaven, for if you are with Jesus.

Out of all we did on earth, love is the only thing that will go on forever.

There is no tongues in heaven, no prophesies for it is the final destination of the saints, the New Jerusalem, that will be the same for eternity, which prophesy is to show that the God of Israel is the true God, and to warn us of things, and concerning our salvation to come, and there is no knowledge of God written in a book, and faith, and hope cease, and are no more.

So I do not think that tongues have ceased, but when the saints are in heaven all the things they did on earth have ceased, but charity, love in action, will go on forever.

Which God said that He makes a new earth and heaven, and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to mind, so when the saints are at the New Jerusalem the saints, and angels will not know of anything prior to that, for all things are new, and will not remember the former earth for it is associated with sin and rebellion, which God does not want them to know about anymore.

RickyZ · Apr 15, 2019

stonesoffire said:

The question of the op is, what if we are wrong on any of a number of subjects. The question put forth in the post was whether tongues are valid today. Not the same.

But I know threads drift and derail. Done it many times myself

stonesoffire · Apr 15, 2019

No problem Ricky.

But, I think the answer to your question is in 1Corinthians 12:5 -

I went through a long period of questioning too. We have divided the body of Christ with our differences. Only love will make us one but acceptance will have to come first.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 15, 2019

stonesoffire said:

Acceptance of what sis?

Lanolin · Apr 15, 2019

Well, with pre-tribulation if you are wrong about that and you indeed go through tribulations then your faith might be shipwrecked because shock horror youre expected to suffer just like Jesus did and all the other saints down the ages that had trials and tribulations. You thought youd be home and clear and never have your faith tested. Well the devil will make short work of you cos you aint prepared.

If you wrong about post tribulation and jesus actually came early but you missed it well that would have made Jesus a liar because he clearly did say he would come after tribulation...but anyway if Jesus did come before any tribulation than surely you would know cos everyone would see Him and tell you that hes come. But well, after 2000 plus years he still hasnt come for everyone so, as far as I know we are still here on earth and we cant just rock up to the new jerusalem to visit. Otherwise anyone can just books some tickets and go see Him face to face. Or maybe we can Facetime Him. But as far as I know that hasnt happened yet.

stonesoffire · Apr 15, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

Each other EG.

I don't call you demonic just because you don't speak in tongues, nor would I not say you aren't saved.

The Pentecostals have always been persecuted. I'm not apologizing for being one and I won't back down from what I know is true.

It's the religious spirit that persecutes. And separates.

IMO, persecution will make us one but why wait till then?

eternally-gratefull · Apr 15, 2019

stonesoffire said:

Ok I was just asking,

Agree that we accept each other.

Many people have been persecuted not just pentecostle.. I think if we get the persecuation complex we are in trouble

Lanolin · Apr 15, 2019

If wrong about tongues that they actually have ceased then we will ALL be mute. But as far as I know people are still talking about Jesus in tongues, many of which I dont understand! Lol
We would all be having church services in sign language and silent prayers. Our mouths would be stopped like the lions in the lions den. Like Johns the baptists dad Zachariah we would go around with signs around our necks with this written on it...I cant talk now cos tongues have ceased.

Miri · Apr 15, 2019

RickyZ said:

When I was a teen I knew everything,

In my 20s I realised I didn’t know some things.

In my 30s i found out actually I was mistaken quite a lot.

By my 40s God had to reteach me lots of stuff.

Now I’m 50 and I realised that I knew nothing and still have lots to learn.
That’s ok as long as I remain teachable. The minute I think I’ve got it and everyone
else is wrong, God teaches me something else! Usually it’s about me and my attitude!

I suspect the truth is God has a tailor made classroom for each one of us
depending on the circumstances of our lives and personality.

Proud people need lessons on humility so maybe that’s what they will focus
on during bible discussions.

People with low self esteem who didn’t get to experience much love. Need
assurance about God’s love and their position in Christ, so because of those
lessons, that’s what they will focus on.

People who are too self reliant, needs lessons in faith that they can’t do anything
to be saved and so they major on that.

People who lack motivation, who need challenges, God gives them a sense of
purpose and roles to play. Maybe that’s why they focus on works.

People who are creative who, are open to God’s gifts, are probably the ones who
are open to receiving tongues and other gifts etc,

I honestly think that’s why we all have our focuses and emphasise different things.
Because God comes down to each person’s level and starts where they are at and we
are all at different places, levels and seasons - even though the goal is the same.

But there again I could be wrong lol. (Read the first part!).

As for me I’ve never had any particular ambition, goals, I’ve just been quite
happy to go along where life took me. That has its disadvantages but it’s also meant
that I’ve sort of stumbled into God’s plan for me life without any preconceived notions.

Nehemiah6 · Apr 15, 2019

RickyZ said:

If you have been truly saved by the grace of God, received the gift of the Holy Spirit, and know that you are a child of God, the consequences of failing to properly comprehend the truth will mean a degree of ignorance or confusion (which should be corrected as soon as possible).

However if you start promoting false doctrines, there will be serious consequences.

Lanolin · Apr 15, 2019

Unbelievers would say...you can tell that person is a christian, they dont ever talk, because tongues have ceased.

RickyZ · Apr 15, 2019

Lanolin said:

That was kind of my take on it. Kind of. If you're post trib and we are caught up pre-trib, I don't see you being left behind. If you are Christ's then He's going to take you and you get a pleasant surprise.

But if you are pre-trib and it doesn't really happen till after (post), yes - what will you do when you find yourself being tested? Will you be prepared? Will you question what else you may have been wrong about? Will you decide it's all wrong and go apostate? Or would you expect God to cya from your error?

RickyZ · Apr 15, 2019

Nehemiah6 said:

If you have been truly saved by the grace of God, received the gift of the Holy Spirit, and know that you are a child of God, the consequences of failing to properly comprehend the truth will mean a degree of ignorance or confusion (which should be corrected as soon as possible).

However if you start promoting false doctrines, there will be serious consequences.

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