Not By Works

dcontroversal · Apr 18, 2019

I stand amazed at the deceivers that come out of the wood work......they constantly accuse those that believe in eternal security of the following...

a. We don't have to do anything because we are eternally secure in Christ
b. We can live like the devil because we are eternally secure in Christ
c. We do not have to change anything because we are eternally secure in Christ
d. Because of eternal security we believe this false deceptive easy believeism (another false cliche)

At the end of the day they HAVE no other arguments, because ETERNAL SECURITY is a valid, true doctrine and they have NO biblical argument against it in context so they resort to false allegations like those above.....very satanic and contrary to the truth...NON of us believe that or have even stated or indicated that and yet they still blather on in deceit.....

FollowHisSteps · Apr 18, 2019

dcontroversal said:

I spot a rant. "crap" "lie" "falsely accuse" "false drivel" - I have said nothing about anyone specifically only
about positions one can take. You cannot lie about a theoretical position, it is just a metaphor for
what is.

This anger, this antagonism is the point I am making. Christs way is the fruit of the Spirit.
I am sharing His truth, His victory, His overcoming, and it is so challenging you are rising up
against its reality. Righteous FHA, faith heart action, Amen.

dcontroversal · Apr 18, 2019

FollowHisSteps said:

Your history here speaks volumes........and yes indeed you are accusing ALL that believe in eternal security even if but VEILED under a SO CALLED theoretical position....No honesty or integrity.......

FollowHisSteps · Apr 18, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Let me answer a simple point here, and it is about goals.
If our goal is FHA righteousness, being and walking like Jesus, we need something that tells us
how and when we go wrong.

If our faith literally leaves us as sinners, with a lifestyle and no change, we have nothing.
The whole driving force against righteous walking has been hypocrisy, and sinners pretending
to have Christs victory. The flaw to this position is if people are literally having Christs victory.

I have noticed many stay quiet because of the thorns and thistles raised if one dares suggest
Jesus meant us to be loving victorious people. But then the enemy is always like this, the mocker
of Gods ways and His people.

Thank you Jesus in the cross we have the beginning of the path to you.

57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully
to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain
1 Cor 15

Jesus is the light of life

11 I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness,
but will have the light of life.
John 8

FollowHisSteps · Apr 18, 2019

dcontroversal said:

My friend,

I believe in eternal security, being in the cross of Christ, knowing my Saviour.

10 Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and
election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall
2 Peter 1

I have no argument with anyone, I only share what Jesus has laid on my heart
and how the word speaks to me. This is having both honesty and integrity before
the Lord with a clean conscience.

It is clear that you see the challenge I am bringing from the word of God to be
unstoppable to whatever position you are holding to, but I cannot stop the word
of God or Gods will. God bless you.

FollowHisSteps · Apr 18, 2019

dcontroversal said:

"fires me right up" - In Christ I find taking all my responses to the cross, brings focus.
It is in having Christs heart and mind, knowing Gods will that the right path becomes apparent.

I want to know people, so I can truly love them and know how I can serve and help them discover
life in Christ and life in themselves. The world is all about taking and not giving, on putting others
down and not lifting others up. It breaks my heart to hear of orphans growing up without anyone
who cares for them, let alone someone willing to die for them.

Yet in Jesus we have it all. Thank you Jesus for your cross, for your gift to us this easter as we
remember your last week, and your teaching and love, the sacrifice upon the cross of your life for
us so that we might have life with you everlasting, Amen.

FollowHisSteps · Apr 18, 2019

The sermon on the mount is a set of ideas, which outline the foundation of our walk
with Jesus. The words are very food for our soul, a light to our path, joy to our hearts.
I just praise God for all He has done in me, and lift His name Higher, Amen.

Jesus's example :-
Poor in spirit, mourning, meek, hungering after righteousness, merciful, pure in heart, peacemakers.
Their treasure is in heaven, they are not angry, but bless, they do not lust after sexual desire, they love their
enemies, they do their acts of righteousness in private not for show, they pray meaningful prayers expecting
the Lord hears and will answer, they forgive from the heart, they do not worry about wealth but the Lords ways,
they do not judge but desire to help and encourage others.
Matt 5 - 7

Lord, May you help us know these words of life, as we walk each day deeper and deeper
with you, In the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth Amen

gb9 · Apr 18, 2019

FollowHisSteps said:

so, now the Sermon on the Mount, which you say ( rightly so ) is to be obeyed, NOW you call it a " set of ideas".

this is someone who relies on their *feelings for direction, just long winded theology , blowing around in the wind, no facts to ground it.....

FollowHisSteps · Apr 18, 2019

gb9 said:

Thank you for highlighting an important point.
The sermon on the mount is not something to be obeyed like an instruction manual.
It is a deep discussion about life in the Lord and our walk.
Whole books have been written about it, and what Jesus meant and how profound it all is.

So there is no so summary that does it justice.
Let me just illustrate one small point. The beatitudes is a description of Jesus's approach
to life. He is saying this is the perspective I took and you need also to follow, each of which
lead to something profound.

8 "Blessed are the pure in heart for they will see God."
Matt 5

For us to truly see Jesus we need a purified heart.
Amen, thank you Jesus.

FollowHisSteps · Apr 18, 2019

gb9 said:

As a follower of Jesus I rely on Jesus for my direction.
And part of this is my conscience and convictions Jesus lays on my heart.
Clearly gb9 lacks this in his life, but has "facts" however he defines them.

What is sad is gb9 thinks he is saying something profound rather than
declaring his spiritual poverty.

What does God say we need

18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and
white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on
your eyes, so you can see.
19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent.
20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door,
I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.
21 To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I
overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Rev 3

salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Matt 5

We need purity of heart to see God and know His truth, Amen.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 18, 2019

Ughh!! People arguing with Petey again..

Exit stage left......................

FollowHisSteps · Apr 18, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Is it untrue that people hold various positions? Only a fool would say, no one holds that
position, it is so absurd, when actually it is very common. The problem is it is a behaviour left
over from "you said" .... "liar show me where" but it does not work with observations of positions.

So it makes me laugh that this is the basis of my dishonesty to make observations of positions.
God help those who have to resort to such tactics rather than seek the truth, and quote scripture.

It does show me not to invite certain people to my house warming, without taking appropriate
measures, lol.

dcontroversal · Apr 18, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

An argument must have two opposing sides.....in this case one side of truth and the other straight out of the cow pen..........anyway....kind of like being on a front line....send a few rounds down range to let the enemy know that you are keeping an eye on him........I cannot let false accusations about those that believe in eternal security go unanswered.....I sad what I need to say...now on to greener pastures and movin on.....

BillG · Apr 18, 2019

FollowHisSteps said:

In a sense you do have an argument with people.

Maybe not argumentative but non the less an argument, or if you prefer a disagreement based on the assumptions you make.

But let's be honest, you share what Jesus has laid on your heart and how the word speaks to you.

So do others who disagree with you.

So to them as well they have honesty and integrity as well, with a clear conscience.
You say they see the challenge you bring but in fact they don't.
Why would they?

They are clear and satisfied with what Jesus has laid on their heart and preach it with honesty and cannot and will not stop the word of God or Gods will.

So they are standing on the word of God and not making generalised assumptions on what they believe but standing firm on the word of God.

dcontroversal · Apr 18, 2019

Time to reiterate numerous verses that prove a faith based salvation....

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

dcontroversal · Apr 18, 2019

Those that believe on the son get eternal life....those that do not believe get wrath...!

"He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

dcontroversal · Apr 18, 2019

Those that believe the words of the Heavenly Father which sent JESUS have eternal life... those who do not face judgment...

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

dcontroversal · Apr 18, 2019

The will of the HEAVENLY FATHER.....ETERNAL life and raised up by JESUS for those that believe....

"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

dcontroversal · Apr 18, 2019

JESUS IS the resurrection and LIFE.....those who believe will LIVE even if they die physically.....

Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies

dcontroversal · Apr 18, 2019

Those that believe will NOT remain in darkness....the obvious conclusion is...those who do not believe will remain IN DARKNESS <----FOREVER see JUDE and PETER <---the mists of darkness and blackness of darkness forever...

"I have come as Light into the world, so that everyone who believes in Me will not remain in darkness.

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