Discussing Noah's Flood - Mysteries & Theories
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Again, as I have said wolfwint, your understanding of the Scripture is woefully lacking.
Read below....
Quote=2Pillars >>>>Here's how you reconcile the physical forming of Adam on the 3rd Day of Genesis"
Genesis 2:4-7 shows that man was formed of the dust the ground on the THIRD Day:
v4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,
As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10 These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.
v5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Notice that these verses are continuing to identify the time on the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen 1:12-13
v7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants GREW, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground. Correct? Read the next verses which confirm once again that Scripture is speaking of the THIRD Day.
v8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom He had formed.
v9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Notice that the Trees were made AFTER the LORD made Adam on the THIRD Day in total agreement with Gen 1:12-13.
Also notice that man wasn't "created" but was formed out of dust becoming a natural living soul. In fact, Adam wasn't even created in the image and likeness of God until AFTER Eve was made from his rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 .. and committed their “original sin by disobeying our Lord’s commandment.
IOW, Adam was physically formed on the 3rd Day and created in God's Image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually and Eternally on the 6th Day,…. after both A&E already have committed their original sin ; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel. In fact, the actual Creation Event took place during Seth’ generations… when men started to call upon the name of the Lord - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2<<<<< END OF QUOTE
[Gen 5:1-3 KJV] 1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. 3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Next time wolfwint, get somebody to help you read and understand Scripture! Your understanding is very poor!
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Hm, if I read this I get clear, that I am right in believing what is written in the word of God and not to listen such sience fiction storys. I know not everything, but I see in genesis 1 and 2 not different reports. Genesis 2 gives more deatails from Genesis 1.
And I am shure that my father in heaven did not judge me because of this.
Better then to believe sience fiction storys.( even they sounds exciting)
And about Noah, i believe as it is written in Genesis.
I suppose my understanding is poor and your Fantasy is rich.
I live good with this poor understanding. I Hope you will do, too with this Rich Fantasy.
And I am shure that my father in heaven did not judge me because of this.
Better then to believe sience fiction storys.( even they sounds exciting)
And about Noah, i believe as it is written in Genesis.
I suppose my understanding is poor and your Fantasy is rich.
I live good with this poor understanding. I Hope you will do, too with this Rich Fantasy.
Yeah right.... I have spoon fed you most of the time with Scriptural Proof Texts, illustrations and explanations to answers your continued queries - since, the beginning - since, obviously, you are too LAZY to do your own research and study.... perhaps, because you seem to be OVERWEIGHT, is that right? Just asking.
In fact, I even suggested to you to look for somebody to help you read and understand Scripture IF you still having problem... to no avail. Oh well.... STOP PLAYING THE VICTIM! and don't blame me after you have been told face-to face of your foolishness and laziness. Get your butt out there and do some some work for yourself own good.
Study and research the Word IF you really want to learn God's Truth.
Are you that dense? Have you been taking your medication?
READ MY LIPS.... You were being asked to get your butt out there and do your own research and study...
SO, WHY ARE YOU STILL WORRIED ABOUT MY POST?
IF you don't believe my I posts, then..... GET OUT OF THIS THREAD... or post your own view for that matter, based on Goatherder's Theology.
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READ MY LIPS.... You were being asked to get your butt out there and do your own research and study...
SO, WHY ARE YOU STILL WORRIED ABOUT MY POST?
IF you don't believe my I posts, then..... GET OUT OF THIS THREAD... or post your own view for that matter, based on Goatherder's Theology.
**Admin note: users do not have the right to limit who may (or may not) post in their threads.**
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i did; i discovered that Genesis has a chapter 1 !
in it it is explicit that God created man after He created all the other living creatures, on the 6th day, not the 3rd.
so i think that perhaps you do not understand what you are reading? it is clear.
or else, as you said on page 1, it may be the case that you are just having what you call "fun" here -- in the way that is called, in the vernacular, 'trolling'
in it it is explicit that God created man after He created all the other living creatures, on the 6th day, not the 3rd.
so i think that perhaps you do not understand what you are reading? it is clear.
or else, as you said on page 1, it may be the case that you are just having what you call "fun" here -- in the way that is called, in the vernacular, 'trolling'
Well, if somebody like you do, claims his truth as Gods truth, then it may be allowed to not agree with it.
Your behaviour and way to talk with somebody who not agree with you seems not to come from an christian. So I asked myself what is your motiv to spread this sience fiction story on this website.
To discuss with you is not possible, because you have your own way to interprete the scripture mixed with sience and history, which are not the word of God and are orientiatet in the believe to an bingbang theory. And everybody who dont believe this you try to make personal down by attack the person.
Realy no fundament for discuss.
Your behaviour and way to talk with somebody who not agree with you seems not to come from an christian. So I asked myself what is your motiv to spread this sience fiction story on this website.
To discuss with you is not possible, because you have your own way to interprete the scripture mixed with sience and history, which are not the word of God and are orientiatet in the believe to an bingbang theory. And everybody who dont believe this you try to make personal down by attack the person.
Realy no fundament for discuss.
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Sorry, but your understanding of Gen 1 is also flawed and you can NOT use the Scripture to support your view since it is only based on traditional belief of ancient men whose understanding of the Scripture is very limited.
Adam was PHYSICALLY FORMED (Heb-Yatsar = squeezed into shape like a Potter molds the clay) on the 3rd Day (Gen 2:4-7) BEFORE Eve was made from his rib on the 6th Day; And together, they were CREATED (Heb- Bara) in the image and likeness of God, spiritually, on the 6th Day.
This Creation Event took place AFTER BOTH A&E have already committed their “original sin”; cast out of the Garden of Eden; They had Cain and Abel; Cain killed Abel; Then, man called upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) during Seth generation; They were forgiven and redeemed by God - the Trinity - And Created in the image and likeness of God spiritually Gen 5:1-3.
Both A&E were "CREATED” (Heb -Bara) Spiritually and Eternally by the Trinity. Gen 1:26; 2:5-1-3... and John 14:16 confirms that it takes the TRINITY to "create". Notice that it was long AFTER Cain killed Abel BEFORE Adam and Eve were created Spiritually. Gen 5:1-3 - see below.
Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
TRY AGAIN?
Adam was PHYSICALLY FORMED (Heb-Yatsar = squeezed into shape like a Potter molds the clay) on the 3rd Day (Gen 2:4-7) BEFORE Eve was made from his rib on the 6th Day; And together, they were CREATED (Heb- Bara) in the image and likeness of God, spiritually, on the 6th Day.
This Creation Event took place AFTER BOTH A&E have already committed their “original sin”; cast out of the Garden of Eden; They had Cain and Abel; Cain killed Abel; Then, man called upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) during Seth generation; They were forgiven and redeemed by God - the Trinity - And Created in the image and likeness of God spiritually Gen 5:1-3.
Both A&E were "CREATED” (Heb -Bara) Spiritually and Eternally by the Trinity. Gen 1:26; 2:5-1-3... and John 14:16 confirms that it takes the TRINITY to "create". Notice that it was long AFTER Cain killed Abel BEFORE Adam and Eve were created Spiritually. Gen 5:1-3 - see below.
Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
TRY AGAIN?
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You're one funny funny dude. Best thread Ive come across on this site by far.
You have everyone working together, to go against you. Sharing laughs. Its awesome. If this was your goal you succeeded by far. I never agreed more with everyone else. ("Goatherders")
You have got to lay off the drugs brother. And lay off the Arnold Murray. Youre insulting people even managed to call a decent brother names. Not the image we want to portray.
Adam is the first man. He is referred to son of God.
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
There are no water creatures who were men. This isnt the little mermaid. There is no underwater Atlantis. Grab a snorkel and some fins and go see for yourself. Get your butt out there and see for yourself!
As for darwins theory even he recanted. We don't come from apes or chimps. Thats scientifical garbage. You shouldn't mix nonsense with biblical truth. What came first the chicken or the egg?? Well then why did the chicken cross the road?? C'mon? Seriously?
As for the giants and nephelim its accounted in the First book of Enoch. But the bible shows traces of these accounts in Genesis.
Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
First book of Enoch
1 It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.
2 And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.
10 Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
11 And the women conceiving brought forth giants,
12 Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;
13 When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;
14 And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, (8) and to drink their blood.
8 The women likewise have brought forth giants.
9 Thus has the whole earth been filled with blood and with iniquity.
10 And now behold the souls of those who are dead, cry out.
11 And complain even to the gate of heaven.
12 Their groaning ascends; nor can they escape from the unrighteousness which is committed on earth. You know all things, before they exist.
Chapter 10 explains that God was going to flood the earth in order to destroy everything. Because of all the iniquity caused by the fallen angels. God was going to cleanse the earth of all the corruption. You dont have to agree with the book of Enoch im just offering some insight that might help get a perspective. Either way, whether the account of Enoch happened or not, they were all wiped out in the flood except for Noah and his family.
As for Cain, he must have taken his sister when he took a wife. The bible never talks about Eve having daughters. But that doesnt mean that she didnt have daughters. I believe all geneology in the bible never references women. So it is very likely Eve had many daughters. We are only told of her sons. Cain Abel and Seth.
You have everyone working together, to go against you. Sharing laughs. Its awesome. If this was your goal you succeeded by far. I never agreed more with everyone else. ("Goatherders")
You have got to lay off the drugs brother. And lay off the Arnold Murray. Youre insulting people even managed to call a decent brother names. Not the image we want to portray.
Adam is the first man. He is referred to son of God.
1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
There are no water creatures who were men. This isnt the little mermaid. There is no underwater Atlantis. Grab a snorkel and some fins and go see for yourself. Get your butt out there and see for yourself!
As for darwins theory even he recanted. We don't come from apes or chimps. Thats scientifical garbage. You shouldn't mix nonsense with biblical truth. What came first the chicken or the egg?? Well then why did the chicken cross the road?? C'mon? Seriously?
As for the giants and nephelim its accounted in the First book of Enoch. But the bible shows traces of these accounts in Genesis.
Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
First book of Enoch
Chapter 7
1 It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.
2 And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.
10 Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
11 And the women conceiving brought forth giants,
12 Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;
13 When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;
14 And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, (8) and to drink their blood.
Chapter 9
8 The women likewise have brought forth giants.
9 Thus has the whole earth been filled with blood and with iniquity.
10 And now behold the souls of those who are dead, cry out.
11 And complain even to the gate of heaven.
12 Their groaning ascends; nor can they escape from the unrighteousness which is committed on earth. You know all things, before they exist.
Chapter 10 explains that God was going to flood the earth in order to destroy everything. Because of all the iniquity caused by the fallen angels. God was going to cleanse the earth of all the corruption. You dont have to agree with the book of Enoch im just offering some insight that might help get a perspective. Either way, whether the account of Enoch happened or not, they were all wiped out in the flood except for Noah and his family.
As for Cain, he must have taken his sister when he took a wife. The bible never talks about Eve having daughters. But that doesnt mean that she didnt have daughters. I believe all geneology in the bible never references women. So it is very likely Eve had many daughters. We are only told of her sons. Cain Abel and Seth.
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First of all, I don't do drugs nor I have anything to do with Arnold Murray's flawed doctrinal teachings as well.
Now, let me strongly suggest that you review all my postings on this thread before you open up your big mouth piece again, since, I am tired repeating myself REFUTING the same Goatherder's Theology that you also subscribe... Obviously, you can NOT support your view with our Scripture that's is why you are using another book based on WILD IMAGINATION of men..
In fact your own cited text Gen. 6:3 should disprove your wild imagination with regards to this matter I have already tackled previously... see my quotes below..
QUOTE="2Pillars>>>>>>>
[Gen 6:1-3 KJV] 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,. v2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with Man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Obviously, the Lord was totally disgusted to see the daughters of men forming a union of marriage with the prehistoric beings or sons of God. Gen 6:3 since the Lord knows that those combinations would produce men of brutish beast - mighty men of old. Therefore, the Lord cuts mankind's lifespan to a 90% or 120 years duration only. The more older the Heathens get, the more meaner they get.
FYI, Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are Made of FLESH-- however, Angels are Eternal spiritual beings and NOT made of Flesh as document in the Scripture above - Gen 6:3
Btw, also, Angels do NOT Die since they are made Eternal spiritual beings and NOT FLESH just like prehistoric mankind in order to cut their lifespan to 90% or up 120 years old lifespan duration - as stated in the cited text above Gen 6:3. <<<<<<<<<END OF QUOTE
Of course, IF you believe in Macro-Evolution then let me know and I will also going be happy to REFUTE your flawed understanding of the same..
For your additional learning as well, please see and review my post #59.... which speaks of the prehistoric creatures/mankind.
see link.. https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-noahs-flood-mysteries-theories.184565/page-3
Again, the reasons Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are called “sons of God“ is because, in the eyes of the God, they were innocent creatures / beings (who do not have the knowledge of “good and evil”) …. who also received the blessings from God (Trinity) on the 5th Day - to be fruitful and multiply (Gen 1:22-23). - the same blessing also given also to A&E on the 6th Day when they were created in the image and likeness of God. Gen 1:26-27 and 5:1-3
Read and learn:
Gen 1:22-23 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Now, let me strongly suggest that you review all my postings on this thread before you open up your big mouth piece again, since, I am tired repeating myself REFUTING the same Goatherder's Theology that you also subscribe... Obviously, you can NOT support your view with our Scripture that's is why you are using another book based on WILD IMAGINATION of men..
In fact your own cited text Gen. 6:3 should disprove your wild imagination with regards to this matter I have already tackled previously... see my quotes below..
QUOTE="2Pillars>>>>>>>
[Gen 6:1-3 KJV] 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,. v2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with Man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Obviously, the Lord was totally disgusted to see the daughters of men forming a union of marriage with the prehistoric beings or sons of God. Gen 6:3 since the Lord knows that those combinations would produce men of brutish beast - mighty men of old. Therefore, the Lord cuts mankind's lifespan to a 90% or 120 years duration only. The more older the Heathens get, the more meaner they get.
FYI, Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are Made of FLESH-- however, Angels are Eternal spiritual beings and NOT made of Flesh as document in the Scripture above - Gen 6:3
Btw, also, Angels do NOT Die since they are made Eternal spiritual beings and NOT FLESH just like prehistoric mankind in order to cut their lifespan to 90% or up 120 years old lifespan duration - as stated in the cited text above Gen 6:3. <<<<<<<<<END OF QUOTE
Of course, IF you believe in Macro-Evolution then let me know and I will also going be happy to REFUTE your flawed understanding of the same..
For your additional learning as well, please see and review my post #59.... which speaks of the prehistoric creatures/mankind.
see link.. https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-noahs-flood-mysteries-theories.184565/page-3
Again, the reasons Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are called “sons of God“ is because, in the eyes of the God, they were innocent creatures / beings (who do not have the knowledge of “good and evil”) …. who also received the blessings from God (Trinity) on the 5th Day - to be fruitful and multiply (Gen 1:22-23). - the same blessing also given also to A&E on the 6th Day when they were created in the image and likeness of God. Gen 1:26-27 and 5:1-3
Read and learn:
Gen 1:22-23 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
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