Spirit - Water - Creation

[Wansvic]

God chose to begin His spectacular creation in the presence of Himself (Spirit) and water---Significant? Most definitely! Everything recorded in God’s Word is intended to impart understanding. Let’s take a trip back to creation day and see if we can find possible foreshadows regarding the salvation components:

“In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.” Genesis 1:1-3
“And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.” Genesis 1:20-21

It is no accident that God brought His first creation from the depths of water. Also interesting is the fact that those who lead people unto God are called “fishers of men.” (Matthew 4:19, Mark 1:17) After hearing the gospel message, obedient “fishers” draw men up out of water, during water baptism.

Notice the parallel between the birth of the world and the method God chose for mankind’s spiritual re-birth. According to John 3:3 “...unless a man is reborn he can not SEE the kingdom.” One cannot see unless light is present. How does light come? Light comes in the presence of the Spirit of God and water. For in creation, the Spirit of God moved upon water and said “Let there be light.” Prior to our water baptism we are in darkness. Light shatters the shroud of darkness as we break forth from the spiritual womb of water baptism and illumination increases when the Holy Spirit takes up residence in our human body. We know these two ingredients, water and spirit, are essential for salvation. Jesus expresses this principle in John 3:5:

“...unless a man is born of water and Spirit he can not ENTER into the kingdom of heaven.”

Natural birth - God created the natural birth wherein one bursts forth from the waters of the mother's womb and draws in surrounding air.
Spiritual re-birth - includes breaking the surface of baptismal water and receiving the infiltration of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Deade]

Interesting approach. I like it.

 

[garee]

God chose to begin His spectacular creation in the presence of Himself (Spirit) and water---Significant? Most definitely! Everything recorded in God’s Word is intended to impart understanding. Let’s take a trip back to creation day and see if we can find possible foreshadows regarding the salvation components:

“In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.” Genesis 1:1-3
“And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.” Genesis 1:20-21

It is no accident that God brought His first creation from the depths of water. Also interesting is the fact that those who lead people unto God are called “fishers of men.” (Matthew 4:19, Mark 1:17) After hearing the gospel message, obedient “fishers” draw men up out of water, during water baptism.

Notice the parallel between the birth of the world and the method God chose for mankind’s spiritual re-birth. According to John 3:3 “...unless a man is reborn he can not SEE the kingdom.” One cannot see unless light is present. How does light come? Light comes in the presence of the Spirit of God and water. For in creation, the Spirit of God moved upon water and said “Let there be light.” Prior to our water baptism we are in darkness. Light shatters the shroud of darkness as we break forth from the spiritual womb of water baptism and illumination increases when the Holy Spirit takes up residence in our human body. We know these two ingredients, water and spirit, are essential for salvation. Jesus expresses this principle in John 3:5:

“...unless a man is born of water and Spirit he can not ENTER into the kingdom of heaven.”

Natural birth - God created the natural birth wherein one bursts forth from the waters of the mother's womb and draws in surrounding air.

Spiritual re-birth - includes breaking the surface of baptismal water and receiving the infiltration of the Holy Spirit.

No sign gifts.We walk by faith the unseen .

Yes living water or water that moves represents the unseen work of the Holy Spirit .It comes down being inspired from above like rain. The proper binding and loosening tradition of God as a doctrine of God after no man .

Deuteronomy 32:1-2 King James Version (KJV) Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; (loosen his will) and hear, O earth,(Bind it in the heart of men on earth ) the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

Spiritual rebirth has nothing to do with literal water .It as a old testament foundation is used in ceremonial laws in respect to a kingdom of priest that are used to announce the gospel in respect to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did follow the first resurrection. All of the old testament saints that had the Spirit of Christ dwelling in them entered into Zion and were witnessed by the angels

 

[Wansvic]

Interesting approach. I like it.

To God be all the glory. He imparts understanding I just type away.

 

[Noose]

H2O is not God, it was created like everything else.

 

[Wansvic]

H2O is not God, it was created like everything else.

God uses His creation as He sees fit. God's Word gives us a glimpse if we will but seek wisdom and revelation knowledge:

"My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;
So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God.
For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding." Prov 2:1-6

 

[Wansvic]

Something to consider for those who reject the need for water baptism:

“And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.” Luke 7:29-30

 

[Wansvic]

H2O is not God, it was created like everything else.

Something you should consider:

“And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.” Luke 7:29-30

 

[posthuman]

Everything recorded in God’s Word is intended to impart understanding.

everything in scripture is intended to impart understanding about Jesus Christ

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of Me​

(John 5:39) ​

they testify of Him not of H2O

Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked Him and He would have given you living water.”​

“Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”​

Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”​

(John 4:10-14) ​

what is this water which becomes a spring of eternal life?
what is this water which, if one drinks, they never thirst again ?

is it H2O ?

is Christ talking about H2O baptism, here?

what's John talking about here -- ?

I baptize you with water. ​

But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. ​

He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. ​

(Luke 3:16) ​

is H2O for us a symbol of something greater -- or is H2O the substance and very essence of how we may be redeemed?

obviously if i take a garden hose and spray down a room full of unregenerate people i do not accomplish their salvation. ((or does someone say that i do?))
so what is missing in that scenario? why is the body being made wet insufficient? what is the actual important thing that must be present for a dead sinner to be made alive? does H2O regenerate? is that what we are to learn from Genesis? is Genesis written to testify to us about H2O or to testify of Christ?

For my people have committed two evils:​

they have forsaken Me the Fountain of Living Waters, ​

and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. ​

(Jeremiah 2:13) ​

how can we avoid committing these very same evils? i'm scared!

Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water!​

(John 4:15)​

​

yes!! give me this water!
what good is it to wash dirt of the body - the body itself being made of dirt?!

what is this living water? is it H2O?
i must know!!!

 

[Wansvic]

everything in scripture is intended to impart understanding about Jesus Christ

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of Me​

(John 5:39) ​

they testify of Him not of H2O

Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked Him and He would have given you living water.”​

“Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”​

Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”​

(John 4:10-14) ​

what is this water which becomes a spring of eternal life?
what is this water which, if one drinks, they never thirst again ?

is it H2O ?

is Christ talking about H2O baptism, here?

what's John talking about here -- ?

I baptize you with water. ​

But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. ​

He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. ​

(Luke 3:16) ​

is H2O for us a symbol of something greater -- or is H2O the substance and very essence of how we may be redeemed?

obviously if i take a garden hose and spray down a room full of unregenerate people i do not accomplish their salvation. ((or does someone say that i do?))
so what is missing in that scenario? why is the body being made wet insufficient? what is the actual important thing that must be present for a dead sinner to be made alive? does H2O regenerate? is that what we are to learn from Genesis? is Genesis written to testify to us about H2O or to testify of Christ?

For my people have committed two evils:​

they have forsaken Me the Fountain of Living Waters, ​

and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water. ​

(Jeremiah 2:13) ​

how can we avoid committing these very same evils? i'm scared!

Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water!​

(John 4:15)​

​

yes!! give me this water!
what good is it to wash dirt of the body - the body itself being made of dirt?!

what is this living water? is it H2O?
i must know!!!

As seen below submitting to water baptism is God ordained:
And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.” Luke 7:29-30

 

[posthuman]

As seen below submitting to water baptism is God ordained:
And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.” Luke 7:29-30

what??

do you think i was asking if John's baptism was from God or not???
i don't question it at all!

John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. ​

He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus. ​

(Acts 19:4) ​

 

[Waggles]

Living water
10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him,
and he would have given you living water.”
11 The woman said to him, “Sir, you have nothing to draw water with, and the well is deep. Where do you get that living water?
12 Are you greater than our father Jacob? He gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did his sons and his livestock.”
13 Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again,
14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him
a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water, so that I will not be thirsty or have to come here to draw water.”
John 4:

 

[Waggles]

Rivers of Living Water
37 On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink.
38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”
39 Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given,
because Jesus was not yet glorified.
John 7:

 

[Waggles]

Water in salvation
37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins,
and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”
40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.”
41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.

 

[garee]

Living water
10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you, ‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him,
and he would have given you living water.”
11 The woman said to him, “Sir, you have nothing to draw water with, and the well is deep. Where do you get that living water?
12 Are you greater than our father Jacob? He gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did his sons and his livestock.”
13 Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again,
14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him
a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water, so that I will not be thirsty or have to come here to draw water.”
John 4:

Living water represents the doctrines of God .They fall or are inspired and are bound on earth, as if it was rain(h20) .

Cant dump the doctrines over ourselves .It would not even get a person wet .What kind of sign would that confirm? submersing oneself in doctrine has nothing to do with H20 it has to do with study to show oneself aporved to God.

Baptism like the tongues doctrine have their foundation established in the old testament, baptism a new desire for a person to become a member of the priesthood of believer as a ceremonial law a shadow of the things to come. , and the sign of tongues a sign against those who mock God by rather chasing after a signs and wonders gospel or a sign that dazzles the norm but some extra pazzas . You could say a little Sunday excitement the big show.

Deuteronomy 32 King James Version (KJV) Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

As if....not literal water. Why literalize the parable other then trying to hide the meaning?

No sign gifts, we walk by faith the unseen eternal .

 

[posthuman]

Cant dump the doctrines over ourselves .It would not even get a person wet .What kind of sign would that confirm? submersing oneself in doctrine has nothing to do with H20 it has to do with study to show oneself aporved to God.

so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word ​

(Ephesians 5:26) ​

there's a consistency here

You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
(John 15:3) ​

He baptized no one in H2O, but He washed their feet

 

[Waggles]

Where there is water there is life - no water no life

 

[notuptome]

As seen below submitting to water baptism is God ordained:
And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.” Luke 7:29-30

John was sent as a forerunner to Christ to prepare the people for the message that Jesus would bring. John's baptism saved no one. John declared as much and it is recorded in John 1:15-34.

Religious folks do not like the message of Christ. Religious folks do not like to have their self righteousness exposed.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Wansvic]

so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word ​

(Ephesians 5:26) ​

there's a consistency here

You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.​

(John 15:3) ​

He baptized no one in H2O, but He washed their feet

Sanctify=to make holy.
One is washed by the Word when their ideas of error are replaced with truth that is then acted upon. This applies to water baptism as well; i.e., someone may think water baptism is not necessary but the erroneous thought is replaced when they see Jesus' comment that it is to be done to fulfill all righteousness. And, confirmed by the many examples recorded in the Word for mankind to follow.

 

[posthuman]

Matthew 3:14-15
John would have prevented him, saying, "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?" But Jesus answered him, "Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Then he consented.