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The problem is that we do get some come here that are adamant they are without sin (sinless perfectionist doctrine) so people's radars go up on that very quickly.
I am glad that is not what you mean, I would think that trying to be sinless would take one's eyes off of Jesus and onto oneself and there is not victory there.
I am glad that is not what you mean, I would think that trying to be sinless would take one's eyes off of Jesus and onto oneself and there is not victory there.
What some fail to realize that just because faith is the only GROUNDS of salvation, does not mean it is the only thing that PERTAINS to salvation.
2 Peter 1:3- According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2 Peter 1:3- According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
I would agree with the last sentence in part.
The way to sin less (did not say the way to be sinless) is to love more,
and the way to love more is to get nearer to our God and Saviour Jesus Christ
But we do need to seeking daily cleansing and renewal and to be perfecting holiness in the fear of the LORD. (2 Cor. 7:1)
...but that is done through and is all about RELATIONSHIP.
The way to sin less (did not say the way to be sinless) is to love more,
and the way to love more is to get nearer to our God and Saviour Jesus Christ
But we do need to seeking daily cleansing and renewal and to be perfecting holiness in the fear of the LORD. (2 Cor. 7:1)
...but that is done through and is all about RELATIONSHIP.
This misrepresentation and blasphemy is absurd, not so convincing and not edifying but rather divisive.
NIV1984 Romans 14:16-21
Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
NIV1984 Romans 14:16-21
Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
It's full of sense and justice, just keep reading the bible and DON'T stop praying and most of all stop listening or believing the lies and deception of FALSE prophets.
NIV1984 Matthew 24:11,24
and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
NIV1984 2 Peter 2:1
False Teachers and Their Destruction But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
NIV1984 1 John 4:1
Test the Spirits Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
NIV1984 2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
NIV1984 Matthew 24:11,24
and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
NIV1984 2 Peter 2:1
False Teachers and Their Destruction But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
NIV1984 1 John 4:1
Test the Spirits Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
NIV1984 2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
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In that relationship we agree with God that what He states is Truth.
No just to be clear Mr. M, I still do not adhere to the idea that fruit can be/is proof of salvation but rather we can know false teachers by their fruits.
Now fruit does give "evidence" and we should give evidence like James encourages us to, however the reason is to be witness to the non-believers not to judge one another's salvation.
No just to be clear Mr. M, I still do not adhere to the idea that fruit can be/is proof of salvation but rather we can know false teachers by their fruits.
Now fruit does give "evidence" and we should give evidence like James encourages us to, however the reason is to be witness to the non-believers not to judge one another's salvation.
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NIV1984 1 John 2:3-6
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.
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In that relationship we agree with God that what He states is Truth.
No just to be clear Mr. M, I still do not adhere to the idea that fruit can be/is proof of salvation but rather we can know false teachers by their fruits.
Now fruit does give "evidence" and we should give evidence like James encourages us to, however the reason is to be witness to the non-believers not to judge one another's salvation.
No just to be clear Mr. M, I still do not adhere to the idea that fruit can be/is proof of salvation but rather we can know false teachers by their fruits.
Now fruit does give "evidence" and we should give evidence like James encourages us to, however the reason is to be witness to the non-believers not to judge one another's salvation.
I meant it in the sense of examining OURSELVES. As John says several times in his epistles BY THIS WE KNOW (that we know Him, that we have passed from death unto life, that we love Him, etc)
The only person I can know for sure is saved or not IS MYSELF. I do not judge or try to determine if one is saved or not. I just speak the Gospel and let God do His Work.
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Yes,one of the main the purposes of the epistle of John is that we may know that we have eternal life. (1 John 5:13) There are ways given in his epistles that we can know that we know Him, know that we are in Him, know that we abide in Him, know that we have passed from death to life, know that we have eternal life, etc.
1 John is also a polemic with the purpose of exposing the error of false teachers who deny the necessity of such things as are listed above. YET we must not miss an IMPORTANT POINT...The qualities by which we know these things are not prerequisites for salvation, they are things that accompany and follow salvation.
I hope you and I agree on this, and I suspect we do. AM I correct?
1 John is also a polemic with the purpose of exposing the error of false teachers who deny the necessity of such things as are listed above. YET we must not miss an IMPORTANT POINT...The qualities by which we know these things are not prerequisites for salvation, they are things that accompany and follow salvation.
I hope you and I agree on this, and I suspect we do. AM I correct?
In that relationship we agree with God that what He states is Truth.
No just to be clear Mr. M, I still do not adhere to the idea that fruit can be/is proof of salvation but rather we can know false teachers by their fruits.
Now fruit does give "evidence" and we should give evidence like James encourages us to, however the reason is to be witness to the non-believers not to judge one another's salvation.
No just to be clear Mr. M, I still do not adhere to the idea that fruit can be/is proof of salvation but rather we can know false teachers by their fruits.
Now fruit does give "evidence" and we should give evidence like James encourages us to, however the reason is to be witness to the non-believers not to judge one another's salvation.
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The following is a comparison between the bible and salvation losers......and make no mistake...this is exactly what they peddle and or how they butcher the word of God by their losable salvation....
Bible --> I will never leave thee or forsake thee
Salvation Losers ---->Jesus is a liar and will leave us and forsake us
Bible --->We are saved to the uttermost and kept by the power of God through faith
Salvation losers --->The power of God is weak and inept, we are not saved to the uttermost and GOD does not keep us
Bible -->Jesus begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in us
Salvation losers ---> WE must maintain our faith because JESUS does not finish and complete the work of faith in us
Bible --> He that believes on the SON is having everlasting/eternal life
Salvation losers --->He that believes and MAINTAINS his belief on the SON is having temporal life based upon what he does or does not do
Bible --> Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law
Salvation losers -->James out of context tells us we are justified by our works before God
Bible -->It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
Salvation losers --->It pleased God by works, church membership, baptism, pew jumping, speaking in tongues, back flipping down the isle, saying 57 hail Mary's, taking the Lord's supper, keeping the sacraments and a dozen other religiously zealous man made efforts to save them
Bible -->NOTHING can separate us from the love of GOD
Salvation losers -->Numerous things can separate us from the love of GOD
Bible--->We are in the Son's hand, the Father's hand and NO AN can remove us from that position
Salvation losers -->The above is false, we can remove ourselves because God is weak and inept
Bible -->We are sealed unto the day of redemption
Salvation losers-->The seal of God can be broken because God is weak and inept
Bible --->Where sin abounds, grace abounds the more
Salvation losers--> We qualify, quantify sin and God's grace only covers those small sins when we mess up and for sure we have never lost it, but eternal security believers lose it because they believe they can live any way they want and live like the devil
Bible --->He that believes on the Son is not condemned
Salvation losers --> Believers are condemned all the time and returned to being goats after becoming sheep
Bible --> I will lose nothing, but raise it up the last day
Salvation losers -->God loses people all the time because he is too weak to keep them saved
Bible--> We are born again from above by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
Salvation losers --> We are not born of incorruptible seed, because that seed can be corrupted and one die lost after being born again
Bible --> The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable
Salvation losers -->God's free GIFT of salvation can be revoked because GOD will break ALL the above promises and send one to hell after being saved
ETC.............I dare to say that salvation losers are false.....and what they peddle is not of GOD and as blasphemous as it comes......the above is a SMALL sample of scriptural promises that MUST BE DENIED, REJECTED and or SWEPT UNDER THE TABLE to peddle a dime store salvation that cannot be found in the bible and or a dime store salvation that devalues the work, promises and ministry of CHRIST!!!!!!!
The above describes ALL that say salvation can be lost and or is maintained or kept by what we do or do not do........we have a new cake taker....
Bible --> I will never leave thee or forsake thee
Salvation Losers ---->Jesus is a liar and will leave us and forsake us
Bible --->We are saved to the uttermost and kept by the power of God through faith
Salvation losers --->The power of God is weak and inept, we are not saved to the uttermost and GOD does not keep us
Bible -->Jesus begins, finishes and completes the work of faith in us
Salvation losers ---> WE must maintain our faith because JESUS does not finish and complete the work of faith in us
Bible --> He that believes on the SON is having everlasting/eternal life
Salvation losers --->He that believes and MAINTAINS his belief on the SON is having temporal life based upon what he does or does not do
Bible --> Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith without the deeds/works of the law
Salvation losers -->James out of context tells us we are justified by our works before God
Bible -->It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
Salvation losers --->It pleased God by works, church membership, baptism, pew jumping, speaking in tongues, back flipping down the isle, saying 57 hail Mary's, taking the Lord's supper, keeping the sacraments and a dozen other religiously zealous man made efforts to save them
Bible -->NOTHING can separate us from the love of GOD
Salvation losers -->Numerous things can separate us from the love of GOD
Bible--->We are in the Son's hand, the Father's hand and NO AN can remove us from that position
Salvation losers -->The above is false, we can remove ourselves because God is weak and inept
Bible -->We are sealed unto the day of redemption
Salvation losers-->The seal of God can be broken because God is weak and inept
Bible --->Where sin abounds, grace abounds the more
Salvation losers--> We qualify, quantify sin and God's grace only covers those small sins when we mess up and for sure we have never lost it, but eternal security believers lose it because they believe they can live any way they want and live like the devil
Bible --->He that believes on the Son is not condemned
Salvation losers --> Believers are condemned all the time and returned to being goats after becoming sheep
Bible --> I will lose nothing, but raise it up the last day
Salvation losers -->God loses people all the time because he is too weak to keep them saved
Bible--> We are born again from above by INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
Salvation losers --> We are not born of incorruptible seed, because that seed can be corrupted and one die lost after being born again
Bible --> The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable
Salvation losers -->God's free GIFT of salvation can be revoked because GOD will break ALL the above promises and send one to hell after being saved
ETC.............I dare to say that salvation losers are false.....and what they peddle is not of GOD and as blasphemous as it comes......the above is a SMALL sample of scriptural promises that MUST BE DENIED, REJECTED and or SWEPT UNDER THE TABLE to peddle a dime store salvation that cannot be found in the bible and or a dime store salvation that devalues the work, promises and ministry of CHRIST!!!!!!!
The above describes ALL that say salvation can be lost and or is maintained or kept by what we do or do not do........we have a new cake taker....
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1. The spirit that is born again from above does not sin, is eternally sealed in Christ, cries out to God, always seeks to do what is right and needs to be fed the word to mature, grow and prosper spiritually
2. The above is still bound in a fallen dead body of sin that is contrary and not subject unto the law of God and NEITHER IN DEED CAN BE...It is dead in sin, and contrary to the truth and where all sin comes from <--The lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life
The battle ground is the MIND.....and which ever nature gets fed the most will be be the dominant nature....I.E...the transformational process described in Romans 12:1-2 and make no mistake.....all believers are on that journey....and all gambits of growth from Carnal to Spiritually Mature and everything in between.....!!!
2. The above is still bound in a fallen dead body of sin that is contrary and not subject unto the law of God and NEITHER IN DEED CAN BE...It is dead in sin, and contrary to the truth and where all sin comes from <--The lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life
The battle ground is the MIND.....and which ever nature gets fed the most will be be the dominant nature....I.E...the transformational process described in Romans 12:1-2 and make no mistake.....all believers are on that journey....and all gambits of growth from Carnal to Spiritually Mature and everything in between.....!!!
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I do believe that no deceiver would teach obedience to God. It is the work of the enemy to deceive people and lead them to disobey God.
Just one point I was pondering bro, isn't it that the WORD of TRUTH, the gospel of our salvation speaks about the life, death, burial and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ? If I take away one part of it, would it still be the WORD of TRUTH, the gospel of our SALVATION?
Obedience to God is a very essential part of the Gospel of our SALVATION and taking it away from the WORD of TRUTH, the Gospel of our SALVATION would make it a half TRUTH and an incomplete Gospel of our SALVATION.
Jesus said,
NIV1984 Revelation 3:1-3
...I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE IN THE SIGHT OF MY GOD. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.
JUST imagine a world without obedience to authorities would look like. Full of chaos, disorder and wickedness.
NOW imagine a gospel without the OBEDIENCE part...It's dead, no life and useless...Full of confusions.
Paul through faith and being led by the Spirit said,
NIV1984 Romans 15:18
I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done—
Have not much time now, still have to do a lot of work in the house now. If only I can just say I have FAITH and all these works are done in a snap. But i love my family and I am willing to do all this chores because of LOVE.
NIV1984 Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
God bless bro.
Just one point I was pondering bro, isn't it that the WORD of TRUTH, the gospel of our salvation speaks about the life, death, burial and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ? If I take away one part of it, would it still be the WORD of TRUTH, the gospel of our SALVATION?
Obedience to God is a very essential part of the Gospel of our SALVATION and taking it away from the WORD of TRUTH, the Gospel of our SALVATION would make it a half TRUTH and an incomplete Gospel of our SALVATION.
Jesus said,
NIV1984 Revelation 3:1-3
...I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE IN THE SIGHT OF MY GOD. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.
JUST imagine a world without obedience to authorities would look like. Full of chaos, disorder and wickedness.
NOW imagine a gospel without the OBEDIENCE part...It's dead, no life and useless...Full of confusions.
Paul through faith and being led by the Spirit said,
NIV1984 Romans 15:18
I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done—
Have not much time now, still have to do a lot of work in the house now. If only I can just say I have FAITH and all these works are done in a snap. But i love my family and I am willing to do all this chores because of LOVE.
NIV1984 Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
God bless bro.