Is the Great Commission irrelevant for the church now?
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He never offered the return of Jesus if the Jews believed, unlike what Peter did in Acts 3:19-20.
And next, the majority of the Jews will not have accepted the Gospel of Grace, because they are very zealous for the Law Acts 21:20. It made sense to Paul when he speak to the Jews, to preach to them a Gospel that they will accept (1 Corinthians 9:20-22)
And next, the majority of the Jews will not have accepted the Gospel of Grace, because they are very zealous for the Law Acts 21:20. It made sense to Paul when he speak to the Jews, to preach to them a Gospel that they will accept (1 Corinthians 9:20-22)
Okay, I think its best to lay this issue to rest. Let's consider this issue with John's version of the GC closed.
Out of curiosity sake, how would you then interpret Mark's version of the GC that says in 16:16
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Do you preach to others that you need to believe AND be water baptized in order to be saved?
Out of curiosity sake, how would you then interpret Mark's version of the GC that says in 16:16
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Do you preach to others that you need to believe AND be water baptized in order to be saved?
K
Alright, what bothers me, and why you and I have had a rough go of it in this thread, is when a poster has a teaching they are trying to communicate without coming out and telling the truth of what they are saying. Then they are rude and dismissive of posters who don't "get" their mystery belief. You believe there are two Gospels. Why didn't you open with that so everyone knew that is your POV? The Bible doesn't indicate that. But still instead of being rude you should have come clean on your views. There was nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. Now that I have done some research I see what you're saying in your posts, still wrong doctrine.
The Gospel of the Kingdom
In short, Christ came preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom to the lost sheep of Israel, as was promised in the Tanakh (Old Testament). We can find this promise of a future Kingdom to come in which the King Messiah shall reign in many passages including Isaiah 2:2-4, Isaiah 9:6-7, Isaiah 11:1-9, Amos 9:11-15, et al. Jesus Christ, just as John the Baptist, preached, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 4:17). Israel was called to repentance in recognition of the fulfillment of both the promised Messiah and the kingdom to come. Jesus even taught these lost sheep of Israel to pray, "Thy kingdom come. . ." (Matthew 6:10).
Believing Israel looked to the coming Messiah ben David (Anointed-One, Son of David) as the promised King of Israel who would execute divine justice (Jeremiah 23:5), establish God's kingdom on Earth (Daniel2:44), restore worship in Israel (Jeremiah 23:5-8, Jeremiah 33:6-18, Micah 4:1-2) and make peace in the world (Isaiah 2:2-4, Isaiah 11:1-10, Micah 4:3) among other things. They were very much aware of the coming kingdom (Mark 11:10, Mark 15:43, Acts 1:6, et al). Jesus commanded His disciples to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom throughout Israel (Matthew 10:7, Luke 9:2, Luke 9:60). Indeed the disciples continued preaching this gospel after His resurrection as they were commanded (Acts 3:19-21, Acts 8:12, et al). All this time God is continuing to deal with Israel according to the dispensation of the Torah, or Law. The Torah was in effect during Christ's earthly ministry and even after His death (Matthew 5:18-19, Acts 2:1, Acts 3:1, Acts 5:42, Acts 10:28, et al). This shows us that, though Christ died on the cross to be the testator of a new covenant, the Gospel of Grace was unknown to the saints at this point.
The Gospel of Grace
While Israel was commanded to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins, a justification by works, today we are commanded to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work (Acts 2:38, Romans 4:23-25). In the dispensation of the Law, God accepted those who worked righteousness, as we see the Apostle Peter attesting to after his vision of the unclean animals (Psalm 15:1-2, Acts 10:35). Notice the stark contrast given in Paul's message of grace, ". . .to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Romans 4:5).
The concept of works is key in understanding the difference between Law and Grace. Ultimately we know that we have all fallen short of God's glory and righteousness, but for those living in the dispensation of the Law, works were a necessary requirement to enter God's kingdom (Matthew 7:21). The amazing Gospel of Grace given to the Apostle Paul by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself was that Jesus died and shed His blood for our sins, and if we put our faith in the vicarious death of Christ and the atoning power of His shed blood to pay for our sins, we shall be justified in the sight of God, receive the imputation of His righteousness to our account, and thus be accounted worthy to enter God's heavenly kingdom (Romans 3-5, Galatians 1:11-12, Ephesians 1-3).
This unique, new revelation given first to Paul was unknown to the apostles before him and indeed was kept hidden from the beginning of creation (Romans 16:25, Ephesians 3:1-10, Colossians 1:25-27). The gospel given to Paul was that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures (this truth, for example, shed illuminating light on such passages as Isaiah 53); Jesus lived a holy, sinless life so that He could provide Himself as the Lamb to atone for the sins of all who will believe upon Him (1 Corinthians 15:3)!
Conclusion
The defining factors in the differentiation of these two gospel are the method and object of salvation. While Israel looked for an earthly kingdom inherited only by those who worked righteousness according to the Law, the Church, the body of Christ looks for a heavenly kingdom inherited by all those who put their faith in Him apart from any works.
The above is what you believe and are saying in this post is it not?? To save anymore confusion and rude comments, this is what the poster is talking about. NOW people can read it and answer with full knowledge of what they are talking about. Are there two Gospels?! That is what the OP is positing, now we can all discuss on a level playing field. My answer is no, there is only ONE Gospel, ONE way to be saved.
I have already mentioned these 2 Gospels earlier in this thread. Of course, if you choose not to read the development of this thread, that is your perogative.
https://christianchat.com/threads/i...levant-for-the-church-now.182210/post-3824603
https://christianchat.com/threads/i...levant-for-the-church-now.182210/post-3824603
I see, I can understand why you will form that conclusion even though Mark 16:16 plainly states otherwise. Again, FYI, I also agree with you that water baptism is no longer necessary for salvation, but I came to that reasoning from the change in dispensations.
But I hope you can see from this discussion that the GC instructions, whether it is in Matthew, Mark or John, have various issues that will lead many readers to ignore what the instructions plainly say, as I have already mentioned in my opening post in this thread.
But I hope you can see from this discussion that the GC instructions, whether it is in Matthew, Mark or John, have various issues that will lead many readers to ignore what the instructions plainly say, as I have already mentioned in my opening post in this thread.
K
You didn't open with that. People misunderstood because you didn't state your intent from the first. Now we all know what the belief is and people can either agree or disagree. Not everyone reads every page in a thread. Now we all know and you can stop being rude to posters who didn't understand your intent.
K
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Baptism doesn't save you, it is not a work. Never was a work,never saved anyone. The blood covered sin in the OT, it did not take sin away. Only Christ's blood takes away sin.Not water. There is not Gospel of blood and of water. It's always been the blood. The priest in the OT made the sacrifice of blood and Christ became the blood sacrifice. The Bible says without the blood there is no remission of sins,not without the water. There is only ONE Gospel for all, by faith through the shed blood.
Baptism doesn't save you, it is not a work. Never was a work,never saved anyone. The blood covered sin in the OT, it did not take sin away. Only Christ's blood takes away sin.Not water. There is not Gospel of blood and of water. It's always been the blood. The priest in the OT made the sacrifice of blood and Christ became the blood sacrifice. The Bible says without the blood there is no remission of sins,not without the water. There is only ONE Gospel for all, by faith through the shed blood.
If you do hold this view, do you also believe that Jesus and the 12 disciples were preaching that ONE gospel "faith through the shed blood", during the time of the 4 gospels?
For an example from scripture, lets look at Luke 9:6.
6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
This passage clearly states that the 12 were "preaching the gospel". But what gospel did they preach? Was it like what you said, "faith through the shed blood"?
For an example from scripture, lets look at Luke 9:6.
6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
This passage clearly states that the 12 were "preaching the gospel". But what gospel did they preach? Was it like what you said, "faith through the shed blood"?
Ok,it is one gospel to 2 groups.
That is where they get messed up.
They take that dynamic and mess it up by doing their 2 gospel mess.
Same gospel preache 2 ways. 2 personal ways.
To the Jew we preach messiah is come. He came was crucified and is risen.
The gentile has to go to square one, original sin. We take the gentile to the garden and he then sees the panaramic picture.
The Jew already believes the ot and is waiting for a messiah.
Therefore 2 methods,but same gospel .
The 2 gospel approach is muddied up.
It has those adherants believing the non pauline books are to be minor subservants to the pauline books.
I know their doctrine well and have read greems letters as well as feldicks stuff.
They are messed upbbut contain some truth.
That is where they get messed up.
They take that dynamic and mess it up by doing their 2 gospel mess.
Same gospel preache 2 ways. 2 personal ways.
To the Jew we preach messiah is come. He came was crucified and is risen.
The gentile has to go to square one, original sin. We take the gentile to the garden and he then sees the panaramic picture.
The Jew already believes the ot and is waiting for a messiah.
Therefore 2 methods,but same gospel .
The 2 gospel approach is muddied up.
It has those adherants believing the non pauline books are to be minor subservants to the pauline books.
I know their doctrine well and have read greems letters as well as feldicks stuff.
They are messed upbbut contain some truth.
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Ironically in my bible study today i was reading this;
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him
That is 1 jn 3.
Kind coincidental i open the board to your post
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him
That is 1 jn 3.
Kind coincidental i open the board to your post
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