Whatever people say the mark of the beast is: its a lie.

[SimpleGardner]

Speaking of lies in regards to the mark of the beast. Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. - http://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml

Greetings mailmandan,

Yes, the Seventh Day Adventists have some very deeply ingrained animosity with the Catholic Papacy heirarchy! I know many and they are sincere. The upper levels of the SDA however are religning with the Papacy much to the chagrin of their congregants.

The Sabbath is a very clear aspect of the "mark" or practices of those who follow God rather than the Beast system and these issues will continue to sharpen an cause separation as "The Day of The Lord" draws nearer.

 

[dcontroversal]

If most of the world are destroyed, I can guarantee the survivors will not be searching CC archives for what to do next. The ones here reading this now have already made up their minds what to think. Most of us think we are making this huge contribution to the Body of Christ by typing our conclusions (or maybe delusions) on what the Bible says. It’s all pointless, nobody changes their minds here. These debates are senseless. Granted it’s my opinion. After years of membership and hours of typing what I think is perfectly sound and rational, others have done to the contrary. All just chasing the wind. It would have been better to share love in a more practical way, like helping neighbors in need or visiting the elderly who are lonely, waiting to die.

Just for the record.....the bolded is not accurate............I have seen people openly and behind the scenes state that they changed their minds about certain subjects...........it is few and far between, but some have............nobody <-----maybe most do not is a better way to frame it

 

[garee]

The "ways" of God run contrary to the "ways" of the world. When Jesus gave the call to "come, follow me" along with the "go sell all that you have" He was essentially saying shed the "mark" of this world that is upon you and step out in faith into "The Kingdom of Heaven" a system of actual living and breathing and eating that is done according to another order of laws and motivations. That step of faith earns a man ridicule from the world and treasures in heaven. Power, pride, skill, cunninath.g and ambition translate to High status in this world...Meekness, lowliness, humility, poor, childlike translate to High status in the Kingdom of Heaven. Both these sets of attributes, the ones for the world and the ones for the Kingdom of Heaven are the "Marks" that identify the individuals who carry them and who they are allied with, Beast or Creator!

Amen, Well said . The buying and selling has to do with the spiritual truths of the gospel . Cain sold it for all he had . His death.

Esua sold it for a bowl of George Webb's chili also seeing no value in the things not seen, a marked man . The mark of Cain a restless (no sabbath rest) wanderer.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Just for the record.....the bolded is not accurate............I have seen people openly and behind the scenes state that they changed their minds about certain subjects...........it is few and far between, but some have............nobody <-----maybe most do not is a better way to frame it

Wise words dcontroversal, It is a widespread phenemenon how people treat their sect of religion/beliefs like the world treats their loyalty to a football team! I have felt that spirit working on me too, but try to resist it.

A very Godly friend of mine once threw out a quote to me at a very appropriate time; "The Christian army is the only army that kills its own wounded" It hit me like a ton of bricks and humbled me instantly even though it wasn't aimed at me!

We all know there is one "TRUTH" and if we could truly recognize the importance of seeking it out no matter what the cost to plans, pride or fortune we would find ourselves in a league of fellow seekers who are determined to see the Kingdom of Heaven and its order established no matter how much tearing down of religions and governments must happen. Jesus even warned us that it would end in the dismantling of families too as the Kingdom of Heaven and it's order will either change a man or destroy him.

Matthew 10:34-38 KJV Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. (37) He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. (38) And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Jesus is the light, that light is the TRUTH, that TRUTH sets us free!

Bless YHWH, Know and keep!

 

[Deade]

The Sabbath is a very clear aspect of the "mark" or practices of those who follow God rather than the Beast system and these issues will continue to sharpen an cause separation as "The Day of The Lord" draws nearer.

Hello SimpleGardner, could you please elaborate more on what you mean by this statement?

 

[garee]

Greetings mailmandan,

Yes, the Seventh Day Adventists have some very deeply ingrained animosity with the Catholic Papacy heirarchy! I know many and they are sincere. The upper levels of the SDA however are religning with the Papacy much to the chagrin of their congregants.

The Sabbath is a very clear aspect of the "mark" or practices of those who follow God rather than the Beast system and these issues will continue to sharpen an cause separation as "The Day of The Lord" draws nearer.

Amen they will continue.

Have you looked at the way the word sabbath singular or plural as it used . It does not seem to be a time sensitive word. Why would the use of the word rest be translated the "first day of the week" . Even if it was again its loses its meaning rest. ? How did the word take on a time element week in the 9 places translated in the KJ? It seem to destroy the use of the non time sensitive word rest ?

The word week not a synonym for the word sabbath or sabbaths when plural is used . The Greek had no word for week when it was originally inspired.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Hello SimpleGardner, could you please elaborate more on what you mean by this statement?

Greetings Deade,

I'm in and out of the house planting, Does staying signed in cause any problems when away?

Ezekiel 20:10-13 KJV Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness. (11) And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. (12) Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. (13) But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.


Note how the word Sabbath is plural.

Note the word "sign" regarding the Sabbaths.

Reread the particular wording within the commandment regarding the Sabbath and note it also has a mandatory "6 days ye shall work" clause!

This is far from a thorough study of this, but a hitting the high spots.


There is the Sabbath rest for man where he rests from servile work and sets aside his time focused on the cares and worries of this world to focus on his Creator and His Creators Kingdom without the interrupting/corrupting influences of the day.

Then there are the Sabbath rests of the land every 7 years.

As is the MO for the adversary all of Gods set apart times (ordinances) are replaced with counterfeits or eliminated. As the false religions and their idols/gods lull the masses into ignorantly following them as they have for centuries so will the Spirit of God maintain His remnant.

There is so much to this topic, I hope this helps, if not please ask.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The word week not a synonym for the word sabbath or sabbaths when plural is used . The Greek had no word for week when it was originally inspired.

[if referring to the NT] The word "weeks [plural]" refers to a very specific time of year (sometimes the first day/moments OF that; and sometimes the first week OF it, from my recollection), is this what you are speaking of?

It seem to destroy the use of the non time sensitive word rest ?

Can you re-phrase this ^ ? (What do you mean by the word "IT" in this sentence ^ ?) I'm not grasping your meaning (if you are connecting the "weeks [plural]" to the word "rest," but I'm not sure that's what you meant...). What do you mean by "IT" in this sentence? I'm not grasping your intention. Thanks.

Again, my view is that the word "weeks [plural]" in the NT is speaking of a very specific time of year (a spans of time, but may refer to a particular point in time OF it)... so still a "time-sensitive word" (or perhaps you are referring to Hebrews 4:9's "sabbatismos"... which I also believe refers to a future specific time period [of long duration], in which certain characteristics and fulfillments will be in play [i.e. "fulfilled/realized"]). Can you clarify your meaning for me?

 

[Deade]

Greetings Deade,

I'm in and out of the house planting, Does staying signed in cause any problems when away?

Ezekiel 20:10-13 KJV Wherefore I caused them to go forth out of the land of Egypt, and brought them into the wilderness. (11) And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. (12) Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. (13) But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.


Note how the word Sabbath is plural.

Note the word "sign" regarding the Sabbaths.

Reread the particular wording within the commandment regarding the Sabbath and note it also has a mandatory "6 days ye shall work" clause!

This is far from a thorough study of this, but a hitting the high spots.


There is the Sabbath rest for man where he rests from servile work and sets aside his time focused on the cares and worries of this world to focus on his Creator and His Creators Kingdom without the interrupting/corrupting influences of the day.

Then there are the Sabbath rests of the land every 7 years.

As is the MO for the adversary all of Gods set apart times (ordinances) are replaced with counterfeits or eliminated. As the false religions and their idols/gods lull the masses into ignorantly following them as they have for centuries so will the Spirit of God maintain His remnant.

There is so much to this topic, I hope this helps, if not please ask.

I see you point SimpleGardner. Staying signed in is not a problem as we have plenty of time to address each other. So, I gather from this you think the Sabbath is a sign/mark of serving the true God of Abraham? Would that make the wrong Sabbath the Mark of the beast?

 

[SimpleGardner]

I see you point SimpleGardner. Staying signed in is not a problem as we have plenty of time to address each other. So, I gather from this you think the Sabbath is a sign/mark of serving the true God of Abraham? Would that make the wrong Sabbath the Mark of the beast?

Greetings Deade,

In a world filled with pagan worship setting aside a particular day would be obvious to all around who you served.

In Ezekiel 20:12 KJV+ Moreover alsoH1571 I gaveH5414 them(H853) my sabbaths,H7676 to beH1961 a signH226 betweenH996 me and them, that they might knowH3045 thatH3588 IH589 am the LORDH3068 that sanctifyH6942 them.

The Hebrew word for sign; Strongs word H226 is oth. Similar to our English word oath.

In the Ancient Paleo Hebrew it was a pictograph/a picture of an ox and a picture of two crossed sticks used to make a sign or mark. Combined these pictures represent "an ox moving toward a mark". When plowing a field with oxen, the plowman drives the oxen toward a distant mark in order to keep the furrow straight. A traveler arrives at his destination by following a mark. The traveling toward a mark, destination or person. The arrival of one to the mark. "you" is an individual who has arrived to a "me". The coming toward a mark. A standard, or flag, with the family mark hangs as a sign. An agreement or covenant by two where a sign or mark of the agreement is made as a reminder to both parties.

This Hebrew word was translated "mark" in Genesis 4:15

"Would the wrong sabbath be the mark of the beast?" You ask... If the Beast System has a particular Sabbath and one was aligned with that System and was one of the people YHWH was addressing in Revelation then yes. But, there are so many differing sabbaths, many sincere efforts to serve YHWH according to His will that fall outside the Gregorian/Papist calendar which much of the world keep time on today. Many sincere "Christians" keep Sabbaths according to the Moon cycles. Some reckon from a moon in conjunction, some from full moons, some from an Enochian calendar etc, etc. Many believe that there is no way to reckon exactly when the Sabbaths are because YHWH took them away when He altered the earths movements at during the reign of Hezekia from the original 360 day year to what we observe now as a 365.25 day year! This is the tip of the iceberg on this subject!

Anything you do in obedience to your master is a "mark". If you serve two masters you know what will eventually happen. If one is lukewarm/haphazard in their allegiance towards ones master, well, we know in Gods case He will spew them out. Regarding the specific sign or mark that is referred to in Revelation we are given several identifying attributes which are consistent with the sign that requires a perjury oath and involves dependence, security considerations, and tribute. That being the SSN.

I hope I did not add more confusion than clarity.

 

[Deade]

Greetings Deade,

In a world filled with pagan worship setting aside a particular day would be obvious to all around who you served.

In Ezekiel 20:12 KJV+ Moreover alsoH1571 I gaveH5414 them(H853) my sabbaths,H7676 to beH1961 a signH226 betweenH996 me and them, that they might knowH3045 thatH3588 IH589 am the LORDH3068 that sanctifyH6942 them.

The Hebrew word for sign; Strongs word H226 is oth. Similar to our English word oath.

In the Ancient Paleo Hebrew it was a pictograph/a picture of an ox and a picture of two crossed sticks used to make a sign or mark. Combined these pictures represent "an ox moving toward a mark". When plowing a field with oxen, the plowman drives the oxen toward a distant mark in order to keep the furrow straight. A traveler arrives at his destination by following a mark. The traveling toward a mark, destination or person. The arrival of one to the mark. "you" is an individual who has arrived to a "me". The coming toward a mark. A standard, or flag, with the family mark hangs as a sign. An agreement or covenant by two where a sign or mark of the agreement is made as a reminder to both parties.

This Hebrew word was translated "mark" in Genesis 4:15

"Would the wrong sabbath be the mark of the beast?" You ask... If the Beast System has a particular Sabbath and one was aligned with that System and was one of the people YHWH was addressing in Revelation then yes. But, there are so many differing sabbaths, many sincere efforts to serve YHWH according to His will that fall outside the Gregorian/Papist calendar which much of the world keep time on today. Many sincere "Christians" keep Sabbaths according to the Moon cycles. Some reckon from a moon in conjunction, some from full moons, some from an Enochian calendar etc, etc. Many believe that there is no way to reckon exactly when the Sabbaths are because YHWH took them away when He altered the earths movements at during the reign of Hezekia from the original 360 day year to what we observe now as a 365.25 day year! This is the tip of the iceberg on this subject!

Anything you do in obedience to your master is a "mark". If you serve two masters you know what will eventually happen. If one is lukewarm/haphazard in their allegiance towards ones master, well, we know in Gods case He will spew them out. Regarding the specific sign or mark that is referred to in Revelation we are given several identifying attributes which are consistent with the sign that requires a perjury oath and involves dependence, security considerations, and tribute. That being the SSN.

I hope I did not add more confusion than clarity.

Hello again SimpleGardner, I also have researched this subject. How does one not receive a SSN? Could this mark of the beast not also be some future technology signifying buying and selling ability? I mean must it not somehow point to the first-day Sabbath?

 

[SimpleGardner]

Hello again SimpleGardner, I also have researched this subject. How does one not receive a SSN? Could this mark of the beast not also be some future technology signifying buying and selling ability? I mean must it not somehow point to the first-day Sabbath?

Revelation 13:16 KJV And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

My sister had some of her children at home by a midwife. One daughter didn't receive her SSN until 16 when she requested it in order to "Buy and Sell" she wanted a drivers lisence and a job and then the military so she signed up for it! I plead with her to avoid it. She "fell in" unfortunately!

The Beast System knows you by your SSN. If you earn under the dollar amount specified by the Beast Systems SSA then you are not required to file a tax return. Some have eliminated everything in their life that requires them to have a SSN, in other words if they have fallen off their radar. In their cases the SSA marked them as "Deceased".

First they notified their banks and their insurance agencies, the drivers license and business license and occupational licensing bureaus that they were deceased and demanded closure of their accounts. So you see what type of life changes this decision makes

Since the Beast System only looks for signs of participation/allegiance they mark you off their books if you don't participate. The life I am describing is very different from the Beast System norm so it would be a considerable change to most people than the life offered by the beast system! But, if a man "comes out of her" into Gods system/order which is possible with the proper sacrifices then much blessing awaits them.

I know of others who have written the SSA and requested their names be taken off the roles, but then they still participate in licensing and employment and income tax/tribute into it, so nothing happens.

I cannot, and will not advise or tell anyone what to do, as anyone who voluntarily signs a perjury oath with the Beast System belongs to it and no man has any right or authority in scripture to try to release them. In fact the opposite is true unless that person asks specifically what they have don and how to fix it and is repentant. Otherwise any efforts to liberate the willing captive would violate very elemental metaphysical laws established by God and would expose anyone doing so the the wrath of the Beast System with no protection from God.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Hello again SimpleGardner, I also have researched this subject. How does one not receive a SSN? Could this mark of the beast not also be some future technology signifying buying and selling ability? I mean must it not somehow point to the first-day Sabbath?

One more detail, the below is taken from: "SSN - The Mark of The Beast"

To end the American Revolution, King George III (as he authorized the United
States to exist in the Treaty of Parisin 1783) retained Title over the Holy Roman
Empire and the United States of America as "Arch-Treasurer" and "Prince
Elector." Yes, the Holy Roman Empire is explicitly mentioned as the Treaty's
authority to allow the U.S. to exist. This is consistent with the Biblical Beast
powers. THE UNITED STATES REMAINS WITHIN THE ROMAN EMPIRE.
• The Secretary of the Treasury issues Social Security Cards. The Secretary of the
Treasury is not an Officer of the U.S. Government. He is the Arch-Treasurer of
the Holy Roman Empire, just like the Treaty says
• The U.S. went Bankrupt on March 4, 1933.
• On March 9, 1933, domestic transactions were removed from the exclusions to
the 1917 Trading with the Enemy Act(40 Stat L. 411, Subdivision "b" of Section
5). "Trading with the Enemy" is always illegal. Prior to March 9, 1933 domestic
transactions were always legal. After March 9, 1933 all domestic transactions are
illegal. We are the enemy of the Roman occupation forces. Again: trading with
the enemy is always illegal, but now our domestic trading is with the enemy of
our foreign masters. Domestic transactions can now be regulated and punished. I
repeat: domestic transactions are illegal. NO MAN MIGHT BUY OR SELL. It
is illegal to buy or sell in unless your transactions are with a surrendered person.
Guess who has surrendered.
• The multinational authority that is already pre-authorized by the U.S. Congress to
control your buying and selling with "actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders
and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken ..." is the very same
multinational authority that issues Social Security Cards. Title 12 United States
Code, Section 95(b)gives the Secretary of the Treasury complete power over us.
Whatever drastic actions he wants to take to control us are already authorized by
law. His actions "heretofore or hereafter taken" have already been pre-approved
by Congress in 1933. (This all fits nicely with Rev 13:10 "if anyone is to go into
captivity...")
• The Social Security Act has no provision for a Trust Fund or Insurance. In fact, it
would be unconstitutional if it had a Trust Fund according to Davis v. Boston, 89
F2d 368. Even the Supreme Court says that there is never a contractual obligation
to pay Social Security benefits because no one has a contracted right to benefits
(Fleming v. Nestor, 363 US 603).
• It is the official U.S. Government policy that only federal welfare applicants are
required to have Social Security Numbers. I've included a Chapter citing allthe
court cases requiring people to get SS numbers, and all cases are for welfare
Applicants. And I have another Chapter with Constitutional proofs that it cannot
be otherwise.
• Social Security Numbers are only for federal welfare Applicants. No law has ever
required a worker to get a Social Security Number. Neither has a court ever
required a worker to get a Social Security Number. According to Title 26, Code of
Federal Regulations, Section 31.3402(p)"... furnishing Form W-4 shall constitute
a request for withholding." U.S. Citizens were not subject to withholding
according to the recently repealed Title 26 Code of Federal Regulations Section
1.1441-5entitled: "Claiming to be a person not subject to withholding."
• Even the Social Security Administration admits that it is unaware of any law or
regulation requiring the Social Security Number to be used for employment
purposes.
• It is highly unlikely that you ever qualified for a Social Security Number. Social
Security Act, Section 205(c)(2)(B)(i)allows Social Security Cards to be issued to
those who need government funds. The Application for a Social Security Card is
an Application to become a Ward of Government. You signed a financing
statement whereby they agree to finance your benefits in exchange for something.
This can be upheld in any court.
• Once you voluntarily ask to be a Ward of your Masters, you are chained to their
chain of command. While you are in their house, you obey their rules. No matter
how abhorrent or repugnant their rules become. The Supreme Court in the
Ashwander case said that anyone who takes federal benefits cannot challenge
their rules. Caesar has become lord. You cannot obey two Masters.

• By asking to be a Ward of the Government, you've created a host of providers to
regulate you, judge you, and be your savior.

 

[oldethennew]

for 'true-Christians', we will know, simply because 'we won't CARE about 'buying and selling',
we are CERTAIN that God will provide!!!

as Christ told the 'rich-man', 'sell all that you have, and FOLLOW ME', but, he would not -
God's called-elect-chosen will NEVER-FORSAKE-HIM, because, they 'received NOT the mark of the beast'...
AMEN...

 

[Deade]

One more detail, the below is taken from: "SSN - The Mark of The Beast"

To end the American Revolution, King George III (as he authorized the United
States to exist in the Treaty of Parisin 1783) retained Title over the Holy Roman
Empire and the United States of America as "Arch-Treasurer" and "Prince
Elector." Yes, the Holy Roman Empire is explicitly mentioned as the Treaty's
authority to allow the U.S. to exist. This is consistent with the Biblical Beast
powers. THE UNITED STATES REMAINS WITHIN THE ROMAN EMPIRE.
• The Secretary of the Treasury issues Social Security Cards. The Secretary of the
Treasury is not an Officer of the U.S. Government. He is the Arch-Treasurer of
the Holy Roman Empire, just like the Treaty says
• The U.S. went Bankrupt on March 4, 1933.
• On March 9, 1933, domestic transactions were removed from the exclusions to
the 1917 Trading with the Enemy Act(40 Stat L. 411, Subdivision "b" of Section
5). "Trading with the Enemy" is always illegal. Prior to March 9, 1933 domestic
transactions were always legal. After March 9, 1933 all domestic transactions are
illegal. We are the enemy of the Roman occupation forces. Again: trading with
the enemy is always illegal, but now our domestic trading is with the enemy of
our foreign masters. Domestic transactions can now be regulated and punished. I
repeat: domestic transactions are illegal. NO MAN MIGHT BUY OR SELL. It
is illegal to buy or sell in unless your transactions are with a surrendered person.
Guess who has surrendered.
• The multinational authority that is already pre-authorized by the U.S. Congress to
control your buying and selling with "actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders
and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken ..." is the very same
multinational authority that issues Social Security Cards. Title 12 United States
Code, Section 95(b)gives the Secretary of the Treasury complete power over us.
Whatever drastic actions he wants to take to control us are already authorized by
law. His actions "heretofore or hereafter taken" have already been pre-approved
by Congress in 1933. (This all fits nicely with Rev 13:10 "if anyone is to go into
captivity...")
• The Social Security Act has no provision for a Trust Fund or Insurance. In fact, it
would be unconstitutional if it had a Trust Fund according to Davis v. Boston, 89
F2d 368. Even the Supreme Court says that there is never a contractual obligation
to pay Social Security benefits because no one has a contracted right to benefits
(Fleming v. Nestor, 363 US 603).
• It is the official U.S. Government policy that only federal welfare applicants are
required to have Social Security Numbers. I've included a Chapter citing allthe
court cases requiring people to get SS numbers, and all cases are for welfare
Applicants. And I have another Chapter with Constitutional proofs that it cannot
be otherwise.
• Social Security Numbers are only for federal welfare Applicants. No law has ever
required a worker to get a Social Security Number. Neither has a court ever
required a worker to get a Social Security Number. According to Title 26, Code of
Federal Regulations, Section 31.3402(p)"... furnishing Form W-4 shall constitute
a request for withholding." U.S. Citizens were not subject to withholding
according to the recently repealed Title 26 Code of Federal Regulations Section
1.1441-5entitled: "Claiming to be a person not subject to withholding."
• Even the Social Security Administration admits that it is unaware of any law or
regulation requiring the Social Security Number to be used for employment
purposes.
• It is highly unlikely that you ever qualified for a Social Security Number. Social
Security Act, Section 205(c)(2)(B)(i)allows Social Security Cards to be issued to
those who need government funds. The Application for a Social Security Card is
an Application to become a Ward of Government. You signed a financing
statement whereby they agree to finance your benefits in exchange for something.
This can be upheld in any court.
• Once you voluntarily ask to be a Ward of your Masters, you are chained to their
chain of command. While you are in their house, you obey their rules. No matter
how abhorrent or repugnant their rules become. The Supreme Court in the
Ashwander case said that anyone who takes federal benefits cannot challenge
their rules. Caesar has become lord. You cannot obey two Masters.

• By asking to be a Ward of the Government, you've created a host of providers to
regulate you, judge you, and be your savior.

Interesting take. What about my last question: I mean must it not somehow point to the first-day Sabbath?

 

[iamsoandso]

One more detail, the below is taken from: "SSN - The Mark of The Beast"

To end the American Revolution, King George III (as he authorized the United
States to exist in the Treaty of Parisin 1783) retained Title over the Holy Roman
Empire and the United States of America as "Arch-Treasurer" and "Prince
Elector." Yes, the Holy Roman Empire is explicitly mentioned as the Treaty's
authority to allow the U.S. to exist. This is consistent with the Biblical Beast
powers. THE UNITED STATES REMAINS WITHIN THE ROMAN EMPIRE.
• The Secretary of the Treasury issues Social Security Cards. The Secretary of the
Treasury is not an Officer of the U.S. Government. He is the Arch-Treasurer of
the Holy Roman Empire, just like the Treaty says
• The U.S. went Bankrupt on March 4, 1933.
• On March 9, 1933, domestic transactions were removed from the exclusions to
the 1917 Trading with the Enemy Act(40 Stat L. 411, Subdivision "b" of Section
5). "Trading with the Enemy" is always illegal. Prior to March 9, 1933 domestic
transactions were always legal. After March 9, 1933 all domestic transactions are
illegal. We are the enemy of the Roman occupation forces. Again: trading with
the enemy is always illegal, but now our domestic trading is with the enemy of
our foreign masters. Domestic transactions can now be regulated and punished. I
repeat: domestic transactions are illegal. NO MAN MIGHT BUY OR SELL. It
is illegal to buy or sell in unless your transactions are with a surrendered person.
Guess who has surrendered.
• The multinational authority that is already pre-authorized by the U.S. Congress to
control your buying and selling with "actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders
and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken ..." is the very same
multinational authority that issues Social Security Cards. Title 12 United States
Code, Section 95(b)gives the Secretary of the Treasury complete power over us.
Whatever drastic actions he wants to take to control us are already authorized by
law. His actions "heretofore or hereafter taken" have already been pre-approved
by Congress in 1933. (This all fits nicely with Rev 13:10 "if anyone is to go into
captivity...")
• The Social Security Act has no provision for a Trust Fund or Insurance. In fact, it
would be unconstitutional if it had a Trust Fund according to Davis v. Boston, 89
F2d 368. Even the Supreme Court says that there is never a contractual obligation
to pay Social Security benefits because no one has a contracted right to benefits
(Fleming v. Nestor, 363 US 603).
• It is the official U.S. Government policy that only federal welfare applicants are
required to have Social Security Numbers. I've included a Chapter citing allthe
court cases requiring people to get SS numbers, and all cases are for welfare
Applicants. And I have another Chapter with Constitutional proofs that it cannot
be otherwise.
• Social Security Numbers are only for federal welfare Applicants. No law has ever
required a worker to get a Social Security Number. Neither has a court ever
required a worker to get a Social Security Number. According to Title 26, Code of
Federal Regulations, Section 31.3402(p)"... furnishing Form W-4 shall constitute
a request for withholding." U.S. Citizens were not subject to withholding
according to the recently repealed Title 26 Code of Federal Regulations Section
1.1441-5entitled: "Claiming to be a person not subject to withholding."
• Even the Social Security Administration admits that it is unaware of any law or
regulation requiring the Social Security Number to be used for employment
purposes.
• It is highly unlikely that you ever qualified for a Social Security Number. Social
Security Act, Section 205(c)(2)(B)(i)allows Social Security Cards to be issued to
those who need government funds. The Application for a Social Security Card is
an Application to become a Ward of Government. You signed a financing
statement whereby they agree to finance your benefits in exchange for something.
This can be upheld in any court.
• Once you voluntarily ask to be a Ward of your Masters, you are chained to their
chain of command. While you are in their house, you obey their rules. No matter
how abhorrent or repugnant their rules become. The Supreme Court in the
Ashwander case said that anyone who takes federal benefits cannot challenge
their rules. Caesar has become lord. You cannot obey two Masters.

• By asking to be a Ward of the Government, you've created a host of providers to
regulate you, judge you, and be your savior.

Why single out the US doesn't the mark apply to the whole earth?(seems as if you are identifying the US as the beast is why I ask)

 

[tourist]

If most of the world are destroyed, I can guarantee the survivors will not be searching CC archives for what to do next. The ones here reading this now have already made up their minds what to think. Most of us think we are making this huge contribution to the Body of Christ by typing our conclusions (or maybe delusions) on what the Bible says. It’s all pointless, nobody changes their minds here. These debates are senseless. Granted it’s my opinion. After years of membership and hours of typing what I think is perfectly sound and rational, others have done to the contrary. All just chasing the wind. It would have been better to share love in a more practical way, like helping neighbors in need or visiting the elderly who are lonely, waiting to die.

Perhaps there are lonely people on this site waiting to die also.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Why single out the US doesn't the mark apply to the whole earth?(seems as if you are identifying the US as the beast is why I ask)

Greetings iamsoandso,

The Beast System has established Social Security Numbers in all developed nations. The US is merely an example which I reside in.

 

[SimpleGardner]

Interesting take. What about my last question: I mean must it not somehow point to the first-day Sabbath?

Are you referring to the mark being something like the dreaded "Sunday Law" where everyone must attend church and cannot buy or sell?

 

[iamsoandso]

Greetings iamsoandso,

The Beast System has established Social Security Numbers in all developed nations. The US is merely an example which I reside in.

So your saying not just the US but if any nation registers their citizens and they submit to it then they took the mark of the beast?