David dont say much in 2 Samuel,,,"he must die",, "I have sinned",,,,,is the baby dead?",,,,this is why I fasted and prayed...,,,,
Amillennialists...Here's a chance to state your case.
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David dont say much in 2 Samuel,,,"he must die",, "I have sinned",,,,,is the baby dead?",,,,this is why I fasted and prayed...,,,,
It was Paul who brought that point about David. He quoted from one of his Psalms
Instead of accusing people of being CT or saying 'You interpret scripture thru the lens of Covenant Theology', why not show me where I am at odds with Scripture?
Those who are Christ's, Jesus has already borne God's wrath, but there will be consequences for their sins as David found out.
John 5:24 KJV
[24] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
I don't understand why u view our exchange with such hostile terms. I am not accusing you of anything. There is nothing wrong with subscribing to CT, as I have already stated.
If you disagree you are CT, that is fine.
Do you believe that you were saved by the sacrifice Jesus made at the Cross? A whole lot of people say things about when they got saved,and I hear them. Some things don't add up though,like isnt anyone who is searching for what to do and what they did to get saved just trying to explain salvation other than the Cross? Some of them say they were saved when they were 19 but that just means they deny that they were saved at the Cross and set some work they pefomed in it's place.
when though?, Do you believe you were saved by the sacrifice he made almost two thousand years ago or at some point between when you were born and now? I'm not meaning the times when people do things to get saved,,,I'm meaning what took place that saved them took place back then at the Cross.
If you are referring to universalism, no I don't believe in that. I believe I was saved when I followed Romans 10:9
lol, You are correct in not believing in universalism as Acts 24:15, Daniel 12:2, Matthew 25:46(and many others) point out that not only the righteous but also the wicked are raised,some to eternal life while the others are cast into the fire. It's the "When I followed" part of your confession though in place of the "when he died, was buried and raised ..."
like I keep pointing out about the Cross as the when,where and how you were saved. Everyone recites the words but it stands out if what they actually say is he saved them by his DBR or if they regard their salvation to some act they preformed in their lifetime(one denies the other).
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Exactly, and when one looks at the historic numbers using ratios......... Jesus meant what He stated.
Just plain denial or ignorance of the atrocities and suffering that spanned several years.
I would offer not Judges and Councilors. But the Councilors (the word of God... the one source of faith. Not the judges the temporal
The Judges where simply sent as apostles with the words of our King not seen. Just as he sends us today with the gospel .
The word of God is the counselors that works in them who do have faith. The faith does not anymore come from the Judges and where replace by Kings or Balaam's Ass. A parable used as metaphor to represent a unbelief (no faith) in need of being redeemed by a lamb God as the source of faith needed. He is not served by human corrupted hands as if he needed anything from the clay he forms Christ in.
No outward representative of any nation, God as the father of all nations.
It was not exchanging the things seen with the things not seen. We compare the spiritual eternal things to the spiritual unseen in that way. Also referred to as faith to faith .The faith that works in the believer by which they can beleive.
1 Samuel 8:7 And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
Another passage Amillennialists/preterists have lots of trouble with...
Daniel 12:11 KJV
[11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
If they say the daily sacrifice was taken away in 70AD what happened 3 1/2 years later? Nothing.
The future Antichrist temple fits the bill better.
Daniel 12:11 KJV
[11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
If they say the daily sacrifice was taken away in 70AD what happened 3 1/2 years later? Nothing.
The future Antichrist temple fits the bill better.
I think Amils(famous for spiritualism) will eventually realize that the problem in their own camp is there is no consistent method of extracting the same spiritual meaning, hence they have an multitude of different explanations of the same prophecy. Of the preteist they tend to advance that all prophecy was fulfilled by ad70,, literally yet when in an area where some events might become difficult to explain by an literal fulfillment some seek to spiritualize it.
That in it's self is both a very obvious show of proof as to their discredit of the knowledge of eschatology and the source of an full defensive attack against their rivals(flavors of futurist) unless they/we have debated through the same subjects without differing as to the meanings of the issues at hand. Just to be fair though my friend it would be quite difficult to go back through even this thread and defend ourselves if one of the Amills or peterist turned the same argument around on us.
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ONCE AGAIN, I am comparing it to ww 1 and ww2 where by the way, an estimated 5.7 million jews died in WW2 that would be almost a 6/1 ratio between those two wars alone. As far as total deaths go, they think between 70 and 80 million people died in WW2 alone. That is what? A 70-80/1 ratio?
Yeah. Thats a walk in the park is it not? Not even comparable.
Now imagine the next war. The great war that jesus spoke about.. I shudder to even think. And can see why he said he would have to come or else all flesh will die.
Um jesus put an end to the temples when he said it was finished. Not in AD 70. Either way, What happened in AD 70 does not fulfill ALL of the prophesy concerning those days. So it must be rejected as being that time period.
And I suggest you do the same, Study the word. And look at ALL world history. Not just one year and one war because it supports your interpretation, while ignoring the rest, which refutes your interpretation. (Ie, back at ya!)
Oh by the way, I have no idea what you mean about differences between amil and preterism, You did not explain what you meant.
I think the daily sacrifice is symbolic of how Jesus lived daily when he walked on earth and how his followers live daily also.
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SMH
AD 70 as he said 1 million jews died
WW2. Almost 6 million jews died, And over 70 million people were killed. And talk about atrocities? Have you studied WW2.
I suggest before you make comments like I highlighted. You actually study yourself. To see that I agree with what Jesus said, thats why I CAN NOT believe ad 70 was the great tribulation. For that to be true, it would have to be GREATER than WW1 and WW2 and the historical facts do not support that.
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You also have the fact that things would remain until the end of war desolation would be complete. A time which is not given (unknown) bew=tween the event of the destruction by the people of the prince who is to come, and the 7 year agreement between that prince and many. Considering the city is still today left desolate (no temple) it must still be ongoing!.
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You mean when the daily sacrifice is taken away?
This is prophesy, not allegory or parable. So how do you come to that conclusion? Is not prophesy a fortelling of future events?
The daily sacrifice as a shadow that represented Christ was taken away at the time of reformation. The veil was rent all of the shadows of the ceremonial laws no longer were needed . Christ had come in the flesh. The one time demonstration is over. The antichrists are revealed as those who are hoping the vail will be mended and wall built up as if the kingdom did come by observing with the eyes.. rather than walking by the faith of Christ that comes from hearing God not seen
Not sure where you get the future temple idea? The body of Christ as of the reformation is the temple of God after the new manner of priesthood no longer after levi, a outward Jew.. God had finished using Jewish flesh as a metaphor to represent as mankind in respect to both faith, and unbelief, no faith. Just as with the animal some represented belief others the opposite the same with food clean and unclean .
The government was restored to a period when there was no temple in Israel (the period of Judges). To construct one would be to violate having the things seen the temporal stand in the Holy unseen place of God. Even the Son of man, Jesus refused to stand in that holy place of the faith of God .The Christians one source of faith .He replied only God (not seen is good)