Noahide Laws and the anti-christ
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Rev 13:
13 Then [a]I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having [b]seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who islike the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to [c]continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [d]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
This is the beast in rev 13 I am talking about.
13 Then [a]I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having [b]seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who islike the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to [c]continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [d]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
This is the beast in rev 13 I am talking about.
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Rev 17:
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to [d]perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and [e]yet is.
9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to [f]perdition.
12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”
This is also the same beast, as rev 13 and Dan 2 and 7
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to [d]perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and [e]yet is.
9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to [f]perdition.
12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”
This is also the same beast, as rev 13 and Dan 2 and 7
No, context is needed. You want ALL to be all when it suits your interpretation but not when Jesus said ALL that is written:
(Luke 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled. )
Read Jeremiah 25 to get the context of ALL nations that were involved with Edom in relation to Isaiah 34.
No it has not, your interpretation is based on what you believe what was not fulfilled in the 1st century even though you were not alive during those times to witness the events, therefore yours and others arguments in this regard is specious at best.
Bending the Greek "generation" to fit your interpretation is were you fail, language then becomes as fluid as the interpreter's imagination and makes language meaningless.
(Luke 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled. )
Read Jeremiah 25 to get the context of ALL nations that were involved with Edom in relation to Isaiah 34.
No it has not, your interpretation is based on what you believe what was not fulfilled in the 1st century even though you were not alive during those times to witness the events, therefore yours and others arguments in this regard is specious at best.
Bending the Greek "generation" to fit your interpretation is were you fail, language then becomes as fluid as the interpreter's imagination and makes language meaningless.
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I did get context. And use revelations to prove my point.
Isaiah 34 is called the day of th elords vengence or wrath, it is also mentioned in Revelations when the kings of the earth beg God to have the boulders fall on them to kill them, because they admit, it is the day of th elords wrath and who can withstand it.
Your interpretation is based on what you think.
Dude if you want to be given any honest discusion. DO not attack people for doing the very thing you are doing. It is useless.
THE THINGS DID NOT HAPPEN, COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED, AND AS OF YET HAVE NOT HAPPENED!
UNTIL you can PROVE they did (which I have heard arguments from so many of you through the ages, and many who are more knowledgable than you) which you have FAILED to produce, this reasoning you are tyring to push wil continue to FAIL
Isaiah 34 is called the day of th elords vengence or wrath, it is also mentioned in Revelations when the kings of the earth beg God to have the boulders fall on them to kill them, because they admit, it is the day of th elords wrath and who can withstand it.
Your interpretation is based on what you think.
Dude if you want to be given any honest discusion. DO not attack people for doing the very thing you are doing. It is useless.
THE THINGS DID NOT HAPPEN, COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED, AND AS OF YET HAVE NOT HAPPENED!
UNTIL you can PROVE they did (which I have heard arguments from so many of you through the ages, and many who are more knowledgable than you) which you have FAILED to produce, this reasoning you are tyring to push wil continue to FAIL
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You already know that I am of post trib. thinking so bare in mind that the four horsemen in my thinking precede Gods wrath of the image/mark ect. and so by 1918-19 the world with a population of around two billion people (at that time) entered the war(ww1) around 50 million are estimated to have died in battle,they have no idea how many civilians also died as a result of battle.
Their was massive food shortages because of the war and then by the end of the war HN51(Spanish flu) broke out and those who fell ill to it were put into hospitals already full of wounded soldiers and civilians which spread it to the wounded(soldiers and civilians) and then when the war ended and they were shipped home it spread world wide.
So they don't know what around 250 million people died from around ww1(too many dead) to say which(war, famine,flu) ect. ,,,but 250 million people out of 2 billion is a 1/4 of the worlds population (in 1911) so as HN51 mutated to swine,cattle,birds,humans then a quarter of the worlds population perished by sword,famine.pestilence and beast.
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Lol
That is why it is almost impossible to reason with people like you. And why you give yourself a bad name.
You make up stuff which makes no sense
Then when you are called out on it
You use the same strawman
So yes “DUDE”
Thanks for the laugh. And for being predictable, but at the same time, Sad, because you draw people into your illogical belief system.
That is why it is almost impossible to reason with people like you. And why you give yourself a bad name.
You make up stuff which makes no sense
Then when you are called out on it
You use the same strawman
So yes “DUDE”
Thanks for the laugh. And for being predictable, but at the same time, Sad, because you draw people into your illogical belief system.
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The woman riding the beast is clearly 1st century Jerusalem which was guilty of killing the prophets.
(Rev 17:7 But the angel said to me, “Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns. )
(Rev 18:20 “Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets, for God has avenged you on her!” )
Ask yourselves this, why would the apostles and prophets rejoice over any other city that was not guilty of killing them?
(Mat 23:35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. )
(Mat 23:36 “Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.)
And then after the above declaration:
(Mat 23:37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling )
(Mat 23:38 “Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! )
(Rev 17:7 But the angel said to me, “Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns. )
(Rev 18:20 “Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets, for God has avenged you on her!” )
Ask yourselves this, why would the apostles and prophets rejoice over any other city that was not guilty of killing them?
(Mat 23:35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. )
(Mat 23:36 “Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.)
And then after the above declaration:
(Mat 23:37 Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling )
(Mat 23:38 “Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! )
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