During Tribulation, is it still Faith only for salvation?

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Guojing said:
But you also agree that it’s the blood of Jesus AND not taking the mark of the beast for salvation during the tribulation?

Believing in Jesus is no longer the only condition for salvation?
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"Taking the Mark" is tantamount to rejecting Christ, so it negates faith.. The "Mark" isn't a literal mark, its accepting the beast system into your mind, just as the mark on the right hand signifies 'doing' the work of the beast, it also is not a literal mark. Anti-Christ means instead of Christ, deception is his Modus Operandi and he'll be very good at it, nearly indistinguishable from the real deal.

"At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible. See, I have told you in advance." (Matthew 24:23-25)
 
Dan58 said:
"Taking the Mark" is tantamount to rejecting Christ, so it negates faith.. The "Mark" isn't a literal mark, its accepting the beast system into your mind, just as the mark on the right hand signifies 'doing' the work of the beast, it also is not a literal mark. Anti-Christ means instead of Christ, deception is his Modus Operandi and he'll be very good at it, nearly indistinguishable from the real deal.

"At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible. See, I have told you in advance." (Matthew 24:23-25)
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If the term “faith” can include many other requirements other than to just believe without seeing, then yes, salvation can be just by faith alone.
 
The false Christ, Antichrist will pretend to be God and Christ ( Rev 13, 2nd thess 2. ) . Many Christians have been falsly taught to expect a rapture at ( Satans ) arrival. So chances way high that most of Christianity will worship Satan expecting him to rapture them, in their ignorance of the Bible. and the Traditions they have been mislead with .

This is the constant warning in the Bible about the Tribulation. Listen to God and not mans traditions and false teachings .


When Christ actually returns, after Satan , many Christians will already be riding that beast as the whore upon the minds of the people. To worship Satan, even in ignorance, is the Mark of the beast. The Seal of God should be in the forehead. Not Satans Mark .

Given the level of deception spreading in the churches today, the apostasy can happen to most the worlds Christians .

Satan worship is wrong. God warns it will happen before the fact. It will strip a believer, of their salvation.
 
Guojing said:
During the Tribulation, if someone believes Jesus Christ's death burial and resurrection in his heart, but chose to take the mark of the beast, because he does not want to starve to death, would God still considered him saved in the end, because he believed in Jesus?
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I think you're describing a fictitious character. A saved (by faith alone) person is unable to take the mark because he is unable to pluck himself out of his Father's hand.
 
JohnRH said:
I think you're describing a fictitious character. A saved (by faith alone) person is unable to take the mark because he is unable to pluck himself out of his Father's hand.
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You mean a saved person during the Tribulation will not need to buy or sell anything at any time?
 
No one knows the moment the tribulation will happen. Revelation 12. When Satan is cast to the earth as false Messiah .

But you could stock food for that time. Jesus said in Chapter 9 , Revelation. The Tribulation is 5 months long .

You could also have faith in God, that he will provide. He did give manna from heaven to Israel.

Because to participate in that system you'll have to join in and be apart . And that is Satan's system.
You do Not want to do that . Its shortly after that tribulation that Christ returns with a Tribulation of His own . So there'd be nothing to worry about: Unless you worshiped Satan in his deception . That is the nature of the Tribulation of antichrist .
 
It is better to study the Bible yourself. Simply read it at least. Then you could recall the answer .
Remember to read Revelation 20. Those that take the mark are considered Dead. I understand that to mean the state of their soul no longer has eternal life .
No promise of eternal life for those who take Satan as their god . And the warning being to the believer. Satan's plan is to strip people of their salvation at his Tribulation. There are going to be those that know and do Gods will at that time. And then theres going to be the rest of the world. Whose going to be able to stand face to face with God at the end of that ? Those who have listened to God What he said in the Bible.
Not they falling into apostasy .
 
Gift1982 said:
It is better to study the Bible yourself. Simply read it at least. Then you could recall the answer .
Remember to read Revelation 20. Those that take the mark are considered Dead. I understand that to mean the state of their soul no longer has eternal life .
No promise of eternal life for those who take Satan as their god . And the warning being to the believer. Satan's plan is to strip people of their salvation at his Tribulation. There are going to be those that know and do Gods will at that time. And then theres going to be the rest of the world. Whose going to be able to stand face to face with God at the end of that ? Those who have listens to God.
Not they falling into apostasy .
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So when you read James saying that faith without works is dead, do you think it fits well into what you are describing above?
 
Guojing said:
So when you read James saying that faith without works is dead, do you think it fits well into what you are describing above?
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Works is righteous acts the bible says . They're said to even weave the fine linen of those in heaven.
Rev 19:8 . Symbolically you can view good works as something to cloth you with . With no good works your nakedness does appear. Consider What Jesus taught in rev 3: 18-19. We leave this world with nothing but our acts. Those evil acts we haven't repented of we'll give account for . Consider the rich man after he died.

Satan worship is not righteous according to God.
 
If Christians before the Mark are still saved whether they sin or repent as the OSAS people believe,

Then I guess it is ok to take mark and still get into heaven

No need to obey as that is works.

Not my belief but what is held by many others
 
Guojing said:
During the Tribulation, if someone believes Jesus Christ's death burial and resurrection in his heart, but chose to take the mark of the beast, because he does not want to starve to death, would God still considered him saved in the end, because he believed in Jesus?
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The Tribulation have been goingone for 2000 years now. And If you belive in him you keep hes ten commandments.
 
Robertt said:
If Christians before the Mark are still saved whether they sin or repent as the OSAS people believe,

Then I guess it is ok to take mark and still get into heaven

No need to obey as that is works.

Not my belief but what is held by many others
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But during the Tribulation, it will once again be faith and works for salvation, so OSAS will not apply.
 
Guojing said:
But during the Tribulation, it will once again be faith and works for salvation, so OSAS will not apply.
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The tribulation is a plan of God. its going to happen and thats why the teaching about it .

You dont have faith if given to Satan, you dont have good works doing that at all.

If people are struggling with recognizing this, and cant simply understand, that those that take the mark, are dead rev 20. then the church as a whole has got some serious problems. And its easy for Satan to deceicve when He claims to be Jesus . No one will know the difference. All he has to do is through out every catch phrase and saying of a church and put on a show and it done .

God is clear. To worship Satan, even in ignorance, Is apostasy. Christ will reject those teaching anything that had lead people to that state. And those that are marked living during those days .wont have eternal life.

They will only have works. What kind of work is it to deceive people into worship of Satan, and do it yourself? no works .that is dangerous because Christ was perfect, and you have to very well close be to that to get to heaven. God is the judge. but a christian cant get salvation from Satan. Revelation warns about this through the entire book.
 
Gift1982 said:
The tribulation is a plan of God. its going to happen and thats why the teaching about it .

You dont have faith if given to Satan, you dont have good works doing that at all.

If people are struggling with recognizing this, and cant simply understand, that those that take the mark, are dead rev 20. then the church as a whole has got some serious problems. And its easy for Satan to deceicve when He claims to be Jesus . No one will know the difference. All he has to do is through out every catch phrase and saying of a church and put on a show and it done .

God is clear. To worship Satan, even in ignorance, Is apostasy. Christ will reject those teaching anything that had lead people to that state. And those that are marked living during those days .wont have eternal life.

They will only have works. What kind of work is it to deceive people into worship of Satan, and do it yourself? no works .that is dangerous because Christ was perfect, and you have to very well close be to that to get to heaven. God is the judge. but a christian cant get salvation from Satan. Revelation warns about this through the entire book.
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Are you agreeing or disagreeing with my point?
 
Guojing said:
Is that true even during the Tribulation?

If one needs to also reject the mark of the beast to keep their salvation, you do not consider that as a work? If you meet others who do, do you think they are wrong?
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Im not disagreeing nor agreeing. Im trying to clarify.

You really need to study the bible yourself because people are giving you different 20 different answers for a question that the bible gives one for. We are living in a famine for truth . and this is why Satan will be so deceptive.


The nature of the tribulation is in fact deception. It is convincing people to accept that Christ is here. No christian would knowingly worship Satan. The bible says he claims to be Jesus and loves them. For these people there is no question or concern about what to eat because for them its heaven on earth seemingly.


Christ warns His elect who actually know better . And there are those who may wake from their stupor when God Himself speaks through them ( His elect delivered up Mark 13. )
Those who recognize Satan for who he actually is, are those concerned to not partake of that apostasy.

you're under the impression as so many are today, that the tribulation is going to be destruction and physical persecution and do not take into account the entire explanation in the bible . It will be a time of peace not war. the war will be waged by those who know the difference faithful to the true bridegroom. not as the foolish virgins .
 
Gift1982 said:
Im not disagreeing nor agreeing. Im trying to clarify.

You really need to study the bible yourself because people are giving you different 20 different answers for a question that the bible gives one for. We are living in a famine for truth . and this is why Satan will be so deceptive.


The nature of the tribulation is in fact deception. It is convincing people to accept that Christ is here. No christian would knowingly worship Satan. The bible says he claims to be Jesus and loves them. For these people there is no question or concern about what to eat because for them its heaven on earth seemingly.

Christ warns His elect who actually know better . And there are those who may wake from their stupor when God Himself speaks through them ( His elect delivered up Mark 13. )
Those who recognize Satan for who he actually is, are those concerned to not partake of that apostasy.

you're under the impression as so many are today, that the tribulation is going to be destruction and physical persecution and do not take into account the entire explanation in the bible . It will be a time of peace not war. the war will be waged by those who know the difference faithful to the true bridegroom. not as the foolish virgins .
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The so-called 20 different answers arise because many people here still want to mix Paul's Gospel of Grace with the Gospel of the Kingdom.

My answer is much simpler: Faith is believing in Jesus's DBR. James Chapter 2 stated clearly that that faith alone will not justify you during the Tribulation. You also need to reject the mark of the beast, in order to be justified before God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
 
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