WHEAT ... v ... TARES

[dcontroversal]

I never understood why people interpret wheat and tares about saved and unsaved people within the Church when Jesus clearly explains the parable to the disciples.

Wheat = saved (planted by God)
Tares = unsaved ( planted by the evil one - people who are controlled by the spirit of this world?)
Field = the world

Now how is it that some interpret it as people who think they are saved but attend church?

Amen and as I have pointed out....God begins to deal with the TARES before he gathers the wheat..............

 

[dcontroversal]

Exactly, audience relevance.....why would the Jews need to hear about nominal Christians of this present century?

It always needs to be understood first within the direct audience, the listeners at the time.

Ummmmm that view totally undermines prophecy for yet future generations.......your incessant 1st century stand blinds you to much truth Grace....and also leads to erroneous interpretation and application....!!

 

[dcontroversal]

Absolutely wrong. The relevant scriptural reference to define the where and when and what of the "harvest" is Joel 3:11 etc.
The eschatology is yet future from today. Not 70 AD, not during the ministry of Christ, not the ministry of the Apostles.

"Hasten and come,
all you surrounding nations,
and gather yourselves there.
Bring down your warriors, O Lord.
12Let the nations stir themselves up
and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;
for there I will sit to judge
all the surrounding nations.

13Put in the sickle,
for the harvest is ripe.
Go in, tread,
for the winepress is full.
The vats overflow,
for their evil is great.

14Multitudes, multitudes,
in the valley of decision!
For the day of the Lord is near
in the valley of decision.
15The sun and the moon are darkened,
and the stars withdraw their shining.

16The Lord roars from Zion,
and utters his voice from Jerusalem,
and the heavens and the earth quake.
But the Lord is a refuge to his people,
a stronghold to the people of Israel."

Besides the corruption of the gospel....this 1st century fulfillment crap has caused more error in the last few years and has totally corrupted the truth concerning the end of the age and the coming of Christ....!!

 

[dcontroversal]

I think I know what you're trying to get at but Jesus wasn't talking about the church.

And He was very clear about that.

Brother....as we have seen many times on this site with more than a few of these jokers.....the word of God does not mean what it says....and for sure the inspired words of the bible are suggestive and can be taken any way we choose to take them.....the word WORLD was clear....he did not say ASSEMBLY....but hey.....peddlers of false dogma "gotta" change the words and or the definition of the words or their blather won't fly........!!

 

[seed_time_harvest]

But Jesus explained the parable.

Yes you may be right I may be wrong about saying that the tares are people that are In church but I do believe that JESUS Is talking about those that are saved vs those that are not saved.

 

[azamzimtoti]

Exactly, audience relevance.....why would the Jews need to hear about nominal Christians of this present century?

It always needs to be understood first within the direct audience, the listeners at the time.

How's that phrase go?

"cat among the pigeons"

 

[Nehemiah6]

Now how is it that some interpret it as people who think they are saved but attend church?

Is it not true that many believe they are Christians because they are members of some church, but may not really be saved? Then we have all the cults, who sincerely believe they are saved but again they may not be saved, especially if they refuse to believe that Jesus is God. Wheat and Tares are all within Christendom. And only God knows who is what.

 

[dcontroversal]

I think I know what you're trying to get at but Jesus wasn't talking about the church.

And He was very clear about that.

Brother....as we have seen many times on this site with more than a few of these jokers.....the word of God does not mean what it says....and for sure the inspired words of the bible are suggestive and can be taken any way we choose to take them.....the word WORLD was clear....he did not say ASSEMBLY....but hey.....peddlers of false dogma "gotta" change the words and or the definition of the words or their blather won't fly........!!

 

[cv5]

No, what most are failing to do is understand the 1st century "Israel" context of Jesus' other parables in connection with the "wheat and tares".

The wedding parable, the vineyard parable and the wheat and tare parable have all the same motif and context - Jews/Israel and rejection of Jesus.

(Mat 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vine dressers and went into a far country. )

The above is about the then present kingdom (vineyard) established by God of Israel/Jews.

(Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son)

(Mat 22:3 and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. )

In the above the wedding relates to the Jews/Israel.

To divorce the above parables from the parable of the wheat and tares is to rip it out of context.

We know Jesus was speaking to Israel "the sons of the kingdom".

(Mat 8:12 but the sons of the kingdom will be thrown out into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.")

Peter stated that the "tares" would be cut off from the people the "wheat":

(Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. )

(Acts 3:23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people )

All of the parables of Matt 13 relate to the Church IMO.
Parable of mustard seed, Parable of the woman and leaven, parable of the soils go along with the parable of the tares.

All are similar in theme and NONE of them relate to Israel. All of the are future, and describe the church in one way or another. All of them describe growth and maturity and proliferation yet future.

There is was no growth left in Mosaic Judaism. The axe had been laid to the roots....it was already over when JTB came onto the scene.

 

[dcontroversal]

All of the parables of Matt 13 relate to the Church IMO.
Parable of mustard seed, Parable of the woman and leaven, parable of the soils go along with the parable of the tares.

All are similar in theme and NONE of them relate to Israel. All of the are future, and describe the church in one way or another. All of them describe growth and maturity and proliferation yet future.

There is was no growth left in Mosaic Judaism. The axe had been laid to the roots....it was already over when JTB came onto the scene.

Amen.....the law and prophets were UNTIL JOHN.....Jesus said that, yet the modern lawyers, Pharisees and those that peddle the law flat refuse to acknowledge that truth

 

[azamzimtoti]

All of the parables of Matt 13 relate to the Church IMO.
Parable of mustard seed, Parable of the woman and leaven, parable of the soils go along with the parable of the tares.

All are similar in theme and NONE of them relate to Israel. All of the are future, and describe the church in one way or another. All of them describe growth and maturity and proliferation yet future.

There is was no growth left in Mosaic Judaism. The axe had been laid to the roots....it was already over when JTB came onto the scene.

Jesus claims he came for Israel but his parables were directed at the church.

Right.

(Mat 15:24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” )

 

[UnderGrace]

Jesus claims he came for Israel but his parables were directed at the church.

Right.

(Mat 15:24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” )

Jesus was relentless in His pursuit yet....

The unbelieving Jews did not recognize themselves in the parables. They looked like God’s people, but they were really the children of the enemy, they even killed God’s prophets (Matt. 23:30–39). And the longer history went on, the more their true nature as the children of wrath was revealed.

“…For you suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, and displease God and oppose all mankind by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles that they might be saved—so as always to fill up the measure of their sins. But God’s wrath has come upon them at last!” (I Thess. 2:14-16).

 

[pottersclay]

Wheat and tares look almost identical in fact you have to wait untill harvest to separate in most cases.
As the field of wheat matures you'll see the tares among them. They are weeds that have attached their self to the wheat root.
Imo Jesus is talking about those that profess faith but are fruitless, religious people, self serving want to bes.

 

[azamzimtoti]

Jesus was relentless in His pursuit yet....

The unbelieving Jews did not recognize themselves in the parables. They looked like God’s people, but they were really the children of the enemy, they even killed God’s prophets (Matt. 23:30–39). And the longer history went on, the more their true nature as the children of wrath was revealed.

“…For you suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, and displease God and oppose all mankind by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles that they might be saved—so as always to fill up the measure of their sins. But God’s wrath has come upon them at last!” (I Thess. 2:14-16).

 

[Lanolin]

What.
Am just reading Matthew 13:38 where Jesus explains this parable.
He doesnt say the field is the church. HE says the field is the world.

Why are people confusing the world with the church. Its clear in the Bible what it means because Jesus explained it.

 

[cv5]

Jesus claims he came for Israel but his parables were directed at the church.

Right.

(Mat 15:24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” )

The Bride of Christ is the Church, for whom He died.

 

[cv5]

Jesus claims he came for Israel but his parables were directed at the church.

Right.

(Mat 15:24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” )

Riddle me this. Were the Apostles Christians or not?

BTW you have failed to understand the very distinct context in that peculiar dialogue.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

If that's the case, you could put the whole New Testament in the context of the first century and say "That does not apply to me and has no relevance today".

uh.......



well some people do

but the op is certainly not doing so

forget what I said above

I've got the dude you were responding to on ignore and didn't catch on till I read more

oops

 

[7seasrekeyed]

What.
Am just reading Matthew 13:38 where Jesus explains this parable.
He doesnt say the field is the church. HE says the field is the world.

Why are people confusing the world with the church. Its clear in the Bible what it means because Jesus explained it.

yay you got it!

funny how the Bible can straighten you out that way if you actually want to know what is true

 

[Nehemiah6]

but the op is certainly not doing so

What made you think I was responding to the OP when I was not not?

Here is what was said by one poster: No, what most are failing to do is understand the 1st century "Israel" context of Jesus' other parables in connection with the "wheat and tares".

Well the parables were not limited to "1st century Israel" but applicable to the Church Age until the Second Coming of Christ. Indeed "the pearl of great price" and "the hidden treasure" are pictures of the Church, which Christ purchased with His own blood.

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.