Born Again Speaking in Tongues

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DeighAnn

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hahhahhahahahahhaha lay off the juice pal
...Show 1 incident in the bible where a man died lost, went to or woke up in hell and returned.....and before you blather on about Jesus the word is grave and he obviously was NOT IN HELL....

what a joke u are
But He preached to those there, didn't He?

I believe the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus is not really a parable at all, but a truth of Paradise with 2 sides which would explain how the thief could be in paradise with Him today and He could preach to those in prison.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1 Peter 3:19 BY WHICH ALSO HE WENT AND PREACHED UNTO THE SPIRITS IN PRISON
1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly

Luke 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luke 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luke 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luke 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luke 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

AND FOR THE LORDS DAY

Isaiah 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

On earth as it is in heaven

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
 
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But He preached to those there, didn't He?

I believe the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus is not really a parable at all, but a truth of Paradise with 2 sides which would explain how the thief could be in paradise with Him today and He could preach to those in prison.

Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1 Peter 3:19 BY WHICH ALSO HE WENT AND PREACHED UNTO THE SPIRITS IN PRISON
1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

2 Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly

Luke 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luke 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luke 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luke 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luke 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

AND FOR THE LORDS DAY

Isaiah 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

On earth as it is in heaven

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
My view...the saved that perished in the flood is who he preaches to....Paradise is the holding zone for ALL SAVED until Jesus ana-stasis....no one in hell gets a second chance....and no one leaves hell once they arrive except when they stand again to be judged and cast into the lake of fire
 

DeighAnn

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You have no idea nor any experience of the gift of prophecy (one of nine gifts) that is given to the Spirit-filled church to be operated
during a meeting.
The gift is God directly speaking to his church, the body of Christ, teaching us of spiritual truths about the Word, and also from time
to time of what is happening in the world and how this will effect us.
Just because you are in a church that does not operate the gifts of the Holy Spirit is no good reason to slander the work of the
Holy Spirit.
What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation.
Let all things be done for building up.
1Corinthians 14:26 (ESV)
I don't understand the problem. You said it yourself. "Spiritual truths about the Word, happening in the world, presumably as relating and told in the Word" So prophesy is preaching the Word. So how when I say it must be found in the word, is slander, is a mystery to me.
 

DeighAnn

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My view...the saved that perished in the flood is who he preaches to....Paradise is the holding zone for ALL SAVED until Jesus ana-stasis....no one in hell gets a second chance....and no one leaves hell once they arrive except when they stand again to be judged and cast into the lake of fire
OK
 

stonesoffire

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Sorry this is too out there for me. What are light beings?
God is light.

White:

Mat 17:2 And G2532  was transfigured G3339  before G1715  them: G846  and G2532  his G846  face G4383  did sG3022
λευκός
leukos
lyoo-kos'
From λύκη lukē (“light”); white: - white.
Total KJV occurrences: 25
hine G2989  as G5613  the G3588  sun, G2246  and G1161  his G846  raiment G2440  was G1096  white G3022  as G5613  the G3588  light. G5457 

light:


G5457
φῶς
phōs
foce
From an obsoleteφάω phaō (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays; compare G5316 and G5346); luminousness (in the widest application, natural or artificial, abstract or concrete, literal or figurative): - fire, light.
Total KJV occurrences: 70

Jesus is the Light of the world.

Did you think that we would be robed in white? I did until I did word studies. Look at Revelation. The book I mean. We will be light beings in heaven. What happens in the new earth and heavens, I don’t know.

I don’t pull things out of a hat. I studied whole books, every word in some, and gained much understanding. Plus I have the Teacher leading and speaking. As we all must.

Waggles will get back to you. I know supernatural is in the Greek somewhere.

It’s not that big of a deal. Fiction movies and books have made it this way.
 

stonesoffire

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She argued that before with me...tried to say Adam and Eve were not created flesh, but rather some drivel about beings of light peddled by some Jewish rabbi....even though the vible is clear that Adam was made flesh when he was created......
Not until the fall.

Lol...drivel?
 
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The bible is clear on this issue.....the waste cities of the planet will be rebuilt and inhabited by the few that come out on the other side of the wrath.....Mostly Jews and some Gentiles.......
 
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God is light.

White:

Mat 17:2 And G2532  was transfigured G3339  before G1715  them: G846  and G2532  his G846  face G4383  did sG3022
λευκός
leukos
lyoo-kos'
From λύκη lukē (“light”); white: - white.
Total KJV occurrences: 25
hine G2989  as G5613  the G3588  sun, G2246  and G1161  his G846  raiment G2440  was G1096  white G3022  as G5613  the G3588  light. G5457 

light:


G5457
φῶς
phōs
foce
From an obsoleteφάω phaō (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays; compare G5316 and G5346); luminousness (in the widest application, natural or artificial, abstract or concrete, literal or figurative): - fire, light.
Total KJV occurrences: 70

Jesus is the Light of the world.

Did you think that we would be robed in white? I did until I did word studies. Look at Revelation. The book I mean. We will be light beings in heaven. What happens in the new earth and heavens, I don’t know.

I don’t pull things out of a hat. I studied whole books, every word in some, and gained much understanding. Plus I have the Teacher leading and speaking. As we all must.

Waggles will get back to you. I know supernatural is in the Greek somewhere.

It’s not that big of a deal. Fiction movies and books have made it this way.
Agree Jesus is the light of the world.... I just think we cannot as finite beings understand the eternal so why try.

i. e.
"What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived" -- the things God has prepared for those who love him--
 
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Not until the fall.

Lol...drivel?
False...the bible does not peddle that Stones....does not indicate it, state it etc......and yes....it is drivel....

I quoted numerous verses that stated clearly ADAM WAS MADE, CREATED FLESH......and I chose the bible over the Jewish rabbi you are following and parroting
 

stonesoffire

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Just found something..stumbled on it and is interesting.

Mat 17:7 And G2532  Jesus G2424  came G4334  and touched G680  them, G846  and G2532  said, G2036  Arise, G1453  and G2532  be not afraid. G5399 G3361 

The word touched:

G680
ἅπτομαι
haptomai
hap'-tom-ahee
Reflexive of G681; properly to attach oneself to, that is, to touch (in many implied relations): - touch.
Total KJV occurrences: 36

G681:

G681
ἅπτω
haptō
hap'-to
A primary verb; properly to fasten to, that is, (specifically) to set on fire: - kindle, light.
Total KJV occurrences: 4
 

stonesoffire

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Agree Jesus is the light of the world.... I just think we cannot as finite beings understand the eternal so why try.

i. e.
"What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived" -- the things God has prepared for those who love him--
These things are given to us now for our understanding of how we move in Spirit.

The things prepared are in heaven. One who has gone into heaven saw rides such as at Disney land for the children. Can you believe that? Hard even for me.
 
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These things are given to us now for our understanding of how we move in Spirit.

The things prepared are in heaven. One who has gone into heaven saw rides such as at Disney land for the children. Can you believe that? Hard even for me.
Stones, people do not go to heaven or hell and come back to tell about it....there is no Disneyland in heaven.
 

stonesoffire

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False...the bible does not peddle that Stones....does not indicate it, state it etc......and yes....it is drivel....

I quoted numerous verses that stated clearly ADAM WAS MADE, CREATED FLESH......and I chose the bible over the Jewish rabbi you are following and parroting

Am not following the Rabbi and haven’t since I left bible-discussion. Though it was his teaching, yes. Since I’ve read it on other sites.

Most everything connected with the first age, or the garden came from the Christian Rabbi. All other things from my own studies that is revelation from the original languages is my own gleanings.

Adam was created as a fallen human from dust scripture says. True. Did you ever wonder why the serpent eats dust on his belly or what that could possibly mean?

Ok...back to my search.
 

stonesoffire

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Waggles, I knew I would find it. Holy Spirit never leaves us down. 😇

The word is overshadowed.

G1982
ἐπισκιάζω
episkiazō
ep-ee-skee-ad'-zo
From G1909 and a derivative of G4639; to cast a shade upon, that is, (by analogy) to envelop in a haze of brilliancy; figuratively to invest with preternatural influence: - overshadow.
Total KJV occurrences: 5

Preternatural:


Preternatural
PRETERNAT'URAL, adjective [Latin proeter and natural.] Beyond what is natural, or different from what is natural; irregular. We call those events in the physical world preternatural which are extraordinary, which are deemed to be beyond or without the ordinary course of things, and yet are not deemed miraculous; in distinction from events which are supernatural, which cannot be produced by physical laws or powers, and must therefore be produced by a direct exertion of omnipotence. We also apply the epithet to things uncommon or irregular; as a preternatural swelling; a preternatural pulse; a preternatural excitement or temper.
 
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You have no idea nor any experience of the gift of prophecy (one of nine gifts) that is given to the Spirit-filled church to be operated
during a meeting.
The gift is God directly speaking to his church, the body of Christ, teaching us of spiritual truths about the Word, and also from time
to time of what is happening in the world and how this will effect us.
Just because you are in a church that does not operate the gifts of the Holy Spirit is no good reason to slander the work of the
Holy Spirit.
What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation.
Let all things be done for building up.
1Corinthians 14:26 (ESV)
I would agree. But what kind of a tongue and what kind of a interpretation? A tongue as a Psalm Gods interpretation song showing us how God sings with us in harmony so we can rest in his Love . or the Song of Moses by which we can make music in our new hearts. the Song of Songs we can sing it to our wives like he sings it to us. What are these new songs or phrases we can sing along with our God that you say you are hearing ?

I did not see anything in that verse you offered that said a noise without a interpretation and someone must seek after a private one. and hope they wrote it down. Nothing about that kind of tongue . Tongue that bring understanding call the gospel yes. tongue that make people fall backward I would think when full. I would say no.

What are these supposed new prophecies saying? Or are like that of the Catholics private revelation approved by their leaders those that refuse to look to the foundation of the doctrines of God.

Exodus 15:1-3 King James Version (KJV) Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the Lord, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the Lord, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.The Lord is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him. The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name.

Again what kind of a tongue and what kind of a interpretation?

Zephaniah 3:17 The Lord thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.