Retire the Ten Commandments?

safswan · Jun 24, 2019

gb9 said:

You are very good at ignoring.View this incident between Jesus and the devil.

Matthew 4:
5Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Jesus used one scripture to regulate another presented by the devil who was trying to get Him to do his bidding.Just as I have done to show the limitation of the scripture you quoted.As was said before,made with Israel does not mean,made only for Israel.The scriptures presented proves this point beyond a doubt and only someone who wants to use the scriptures like the devil can ignore this.Here they are again.

https://christianchat.com/threads/retire-the-ten-commandments.179528/post-3952208

tourist · Jun 24, 2019

Leastamongmany said:

The wrench means that the post was useful in some way to the one that gave that icon or may be useful to others.

Leastamongmany · Jun 24, 2019

tourist said:

Lol but should you EVER see I need correction,reproof,exhortation ect.ect.please dont hold back! I want to get closer and closer to him! Im not mean spirited,nor puffed up. Full of flaws. So NEVER hesitate to use a wrench,a hammer even chainsaw if you see I need help. Thank you for explaining and encouraging!🙏🙏🙏🙏

tourist · Jun 24, 2019

Leastamongmany said:

I have my fair share of flaws too. Really, I'm a piece of work. That hammer and chainsaw reference was quite amusing. I suppose God might use those tools for correction and discipline purposes but that would probably be reserved for severe cases. God always disciplines those that He considers children of His. He also pats you on the back occasionally too for a job well done.

Leastamongmany · Jun 24, 2019

tourist said:

I have my fair share of flaws too. Really, I'm a piece of work. That hammer and chainsaw reference was quite amusing. I suppose God might use those tools for correction and discipline purposes but that would probably be reserved for severe cases. God always disciplines those that He considers children of His. He also pats you on the back occasionally too for a job well done.

😉👍❤

gb9 · Jun 25, 2019

safswan said:

I am ignoring nothing. just watching you dance and duck and dodge clear Scripture with clear meaning.

you can accuse me all you want, I do not care, but this is 5 times you have refused to comment on Leviticus 26.

so, again, when you choose to address it ( which I highly doubt you will, it wrecks you judeaizer lies), I will address what you say.
until then, I will ignore your weak attempts to deflect.

safswan · Jun 28, 2019

gb9 said:

You can continue to pretend the passage in Leviticus has not been addressed.Those with eyes to see,will see that it has been and it is you who are deflecting as you continue to ignore what is plainly stated.

gb9 · Jun 28, 2019

safswan said:

it has not been addressed by you.

when you explain how a Covenant made with the ones came out of Egypt, as is clearly stated in Leviticus 26, is applicable to every person to keep, the you will have addressed it.

safswan · Jun 28, 2019

gb9 said:

As I said,continue to pretend.

gb9 · Jun 29, 2019

safswan said:

continue to ignore very clear Scripture that states what specific people are under a specific Covenant.

I chose to accept what Scripture says over and above what some religious belief system.

safswan · Jun 29, 2019

gb9 said:

Not so,you prefer to ignore regulating scriptures,and are using the scriptures as the devil did with Jesus.And you continue to lie as no religious system has been presented by me only the scriptures which show your understanding of the subject to be deficient.Here they are again.

https://christianchat.com/threads/retire-the-ten-commandments.179528/post-3952208

gb9 · Jun 29, 2019

safswan said:

yes,i have read this multiple times ( I have read the whole Bible through many times, I know what it says and does not say).

but, when you regulate Scripture, you will see Mosaic Covenant at Sinai was for the nation of Israel and any pagans who chose to live within them had to quit their rituals and worshiping their pagan gods.

then Jesus came and said that the salvation was offered to all the world, any who believe.

2 completely different systems.

and, just because the Romans choose to attach the jewish writings to the Gospels and the Letters does not mean you can force one to be included in the other.

safswan · Jun 29, 2019

gb9 said:

Another lie.The scriptures presented do not only speak of those living among the people of Israel.You imply that before the time of Jesus no Gentile could be saved.This is not what the word says.Read it all this time:

https://christianchat.com/threads/retire-the-ten-commandments.179528/post-3952208

gb9 · Jun 29, 2019

safswan said:

since you reject Leviticus 26, here is something for you-

in Romans 2, Paul clearly states that the " gentiles, who do not have the Law...".

so, Paul said they did not. you say they do. i'll go with Paul.

safswan · Jul 5, 2019

gb9 said:

Another lie.I have rejected nothing.Instead you are guilty of using the scriptures as the devil did with Jesus.Let me repeat.Leviticus 26 does not say Gentiles could/should not be a part of the covenant.It says:

Lev 26:
45But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.
46These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.

It nowhere says the laws were only for Israel.In fact contained in the passages I have quoted are numerous scriptures which show Gentiles/strangers whether in the land or otherwise had to take hold of this covenant and the laws therein in order to please God.

How could God punish the Gentiles, in driving them out of Caanan,if they were not subject to His laws?Was there a different way for them to please God than the way prescribed to Israel?Or(as I asked before but received no answer) is it that the Gentiles could not be saved?

Here are the passages again.They do not contradict Leviticus 26.They only supplement the passage and aids in a fuller understanding of the scriptures as a whole and prevent us from being deceived by persons like you with your superficial and devil like handling of the scriptures.

The passages you ignore again: https://christianchat.com/threads/retire-the-ten-commandments.179528/post-3952208

In citing Romans 2,you again use the scriptures as the devil did with Jesus.Here is the entire passage:

Rom 2:
11For there is no respect of persons with God.
12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Do you really think this passage in its entirety supports your point of view?

Again,"do not have",does not mean,"should not keep".

gb9 · Jul 5, 2019

safswan said:

Another lie.I have rejected nothing.Instead you are guilty of using the scriptures as the devil did with Jesus.Let me repeat.Leviticus 26 does not say Gentiles could/should not be a part of the covenant.It says:

Lev 26:
45But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.
46These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.

It nowhere says the laws were only for Israel.In fact contained in the passages I have quoted are numerous scriptures which show Gentiles/strangers whether in the land or otherwise had to take hold of this covenant and the laws therein in order to please God.

How could God punish the Gentiles, in driving them out of Caanan,if they were not subject to His laws?Was there a different way for them to please God than the way prescribed to Israel?Or(as I asked before but received no answer) is it that the Gentiles could not be saved?

Here are the passages again.They do not contradict Leviticus 26.They only supplement the passage and aids in a fuller understanding of the scriptures as a whole and prevent us from being deceived by persons like you with your superficial and devil like handling of the scriptures.

The passages you ignore again: https://christianchat.com/threads/retire-the-ten-commandments.179528/post-3952208

In citing Romans 2,you again use the scriptures as the devil did with Jesus.Here is the entire passage:

Rom 2:
11For there is no respect of persons with God.
12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Do you really think this passage in its entirety supports your point of view?

Again,"do not have",does not mean,"should not keep".

how could keep the letter of the Law when they did not have the Law??

and, once again, the language here is very clear- the Covenant was between Israel and God. and anyone who choose to live in that nation had to keep the Law .

and, in the N.T., what was a proselyte? a gentile who converted to Judeaism . why did anyone have to convert to something they were already living under?

Law and Sabbath keeping have 0 to do with salvation through faith and trust in Christ.

the veil tore. accept that, and quit trying to sew it back up

safswan · Jul 6, 2019

gb9 said:

Did you even read the scriptures quoted?You continue,to lie,and to avoid addressing the questions asked and will continue to do so in order to avoid admitting your errors.Here they are again:

https://christianchat.com/threads/retire-the-ten-commandments.179528/post-3952208

https://christianchat.com/threads/retire-the-ten-commandments.179528/post-3963013

If you read carefully and with understanding you will see that some of the questions I have asked are the same ones you repeat in your post above.Which tells me,either you have not been reading my posts,or you really don't have a clue about the subject you are discussing and are just parroting something taught to you.Wake up and study for yourself without the baggage you have been indoctrinated in.

gb9 · Jul 7, 2019

safswan said:

there are over 33,000 verses in the Bible. the few you posted do not nullify all the rest.

and no one has taught me about this. I am not parroting anything. I have read the Bible all the way through many times, I know what it says and what it does not say.

the Law was for the nation of Israel . notice that when Israel was in the desert, and God was instructing them, there were many times in which God mentioned " when they get to the land", once again proving that the Law was for them.

in the Great Commission , Jesus told the people to do " what I commanded you " not keep Law or Sabbath.
when Paul listed the Fruits of the Spirit, Sabbath is not one of them.

I could go on and on about how Sabbath is not required for salvation through faith in Christ.

so, keep trying judeaizer. I have heard all propaganda and Scripture bait and switch before. it is easy to disprove.

Wall · Jul 9, 2019

gb9 said:

MATTHEW 15 [24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel.

Jesus said He was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel

JOHN 10 [14] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. [15] As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [16] And OTHER SHEEP I HAVE, WHICH ARE NOT OF THIS FOLD: Them also i must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

OTHER SHEEP I HAVE.....These “other sheep” are the gentile believers

ISAIAH 56 [1] Thus saith the Lord, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for MY SALVATION IS NEAR to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. [2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. [3] Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. [4] For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; [5] Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. [6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, EVERY ONE THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; [7] Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. [8] The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, YET WILL I GATHER OTHERS TO HIM, beside those that are gathered unto him.

YET WILL I GATHER OTHERS. Yes, the “others” are the gentiles. As plain as the nose on my face, these “others” are keeping Gods sabbath day. They have taken hold of His covenant. No way around it. So, have “many” come in the name of Jesus and decieved many as the bible said would happen? I reckon so. You must be keeping the sabbath in order to be saved to the kingdom. And not only the sabbath, but you must observe to keep all ten.

PSALM 132 [12] IF THY CHILDREN WILL KEEP MY COVENANT AND MY TESTIMONY that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore.[13] For the Lord hath chosen zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. [14] THIS IS MY REST FOR EVER: here will I dwell; for I have desired it.

Once again found in the scriptures. Who are the children that will joining Jesus in His rest? They who keep the covenant {ten commandments} and the testimony {of Jesus}

REV.12 [16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.

Yup. Those guys

gb9 · Jul 9, 2019

ah, just more judeaizer propaganda and bait and switch with Scripture.

pressed for time right now, so i'll do the super easy debunk- who wrote Revelations? John the beloved.

who wrote the letter of 1st John? same guy.

in the 3rd chapter of that letter , verses 21-24, He explains that the Commands are to believe on the name of the Son and love one another. no Sabbath mentioned.

so, if you have an issue with John not mentioning Sabbath keeping as one of these, then I suggest you take it up with Him. I am just going to go with what He said.

oh, and in Romans 2, Paul clearly states " the gentiles, who DO NOT HAVE THE LAW..." so, again, take up your issue ( or your lies and deceptions ) with Him

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