Matthew ch. 24 THE END

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TheDivineWatermark

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#41
posthuman said:
IOW isn't ch. 24 all about 22:1-14, the parable that precedes 22-24?
Yes, pretty much, I agree!

So in 22:7, that parallels Lk21:23,20 (in the "70ad section" of the Olivet Discourse: vv.12-24), but verse 12 (of Lk21) had said, "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE [before all the "beginning of birth pangs" just described in vv.8-11 (which parallel the "SEALS" of Rev6, btw)]"... BEFORE THOSE... the 70ad events must take place [vv.12-24a, with 24b unfolding from there (INCL'G "they shall be led away captive into all the nations")]… THEN Matt22:8's "THEN SAITH HE to his servants" I believe correlates with the LATER [AFTER-70ad] 95ad writings of "[The] Revelation" (where 1:1 corresponds with 7:3 ['servants of our God'/re:144,000]... and 4:1/1:19c, regarding the [far-] FUTURE aspects of the Book, which are said to take place "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" v.1), etc...
 

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EDIT (to add): so Matt24-25 (Olivet Discourse [not counting the 70ad aspects in Lk21:12-24 only]) is covering the Matt22:8-14 thing, which is the same as the "future-aspects" of "The Revelation" (chpts 4:1-chpt 19; the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period, STARTING with the INITIAL "birth PANG [singular]" OF "the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]" that Jesus spoke of [i.e. paralleling SEAL #1 at the START of the trib years]--The Olivet Discourse is not covering the Subject of our Rapture).
 

Jackson123

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#43
They asked 3 questions:

When these things will happen (the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem);

What wil be the sign of his "presence" (which is not equal his "coming" (wrong translation));
Presence will be the beginning of the end,

And the sign that all the world is at the end of the end.

They asked for signs.
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Seem to me verse 1 and 2 is about destruction of the temple, not second coming.

Verse 3 the desciple ask when thy come or second coming.

I do not know If verse 1 and 2 relate to the second coming, It may but I do not know how It relate.

After verse 3 Jesus talking about second coming to answer the desciple question.
 

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OK I pared this down as much as I could. Sorry, I have a hard time with just a verse or 2.
Seem to me verse 1 and 2 is about destruction of the temple, not second coming.

But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: They are going to need to flee because destruction is coming, the day of vengeance has arrived

2Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; What day shall not come? the day of Christ, The Lords Day, the 2nd coming, The day of vengeance, The Lords Return, The beginning of the millennium, when He shall descend as He ascended, The day He comes with clouds, the day we gather to Him, when He returns as Lord of Lords and King of Kings. the day Satan is destroyed with the Brightness of His coming,

2Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Satan standing in the temple of God, Yes this temple will not have anything but sand left. It is going to be thoroughly done away with.

So yes Verses 1 and 2 are about the 2nd coming of Christ. Which is AFTER SATAN,

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Romans 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Hebrews 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Hebrews 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

1Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
1Peter 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

2Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 

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Well, I will do verses 3 down to 14 which are all about "Signs of the End of the Age" (which age) and then I will leave it to the rest of the experts on here to finish the chapter. Then I will look for another forum.
 

Jackson123

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#46
OK I pared this down as much as I could. Sorry, I have a hard time with just a verse or 2.
It may, but the destruction of the temple happen almost 2000 years ago (AD 70)

And second coming is not happen til now.

Or may be Jesus talk what Will happen from the time Jesus talk to second coming
 

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#47
why does 23 come after 24? what happened in 22 that introduced 23? are the things in 24 new or are they explaining the things in 22-23?
Matthew 22 has no connection to Matthew 24. We have (1) the parable of the Wedding Feast, (2) the lawfulness of paying taxes, (3) the meaning of the resurrection, (4) the two greatest commandments according to Christ and (5) the meaning of Jesus as the Son of David and yet his Lord.

At the end of Matthew 23 we have the prediction of the destruction of Jerusalem, but no mention of the temple (although that would be implied).

In Matthew 24 we have (1) all the developments between the first and second comings of Christ, as well as what would happen immediately after and (2) Christ's teaching on the Rapture as being imminent, sudden, and announced.
 
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Presence translated from "parousia" means a king preparing his visit which translates"erkomenon".

Parousia and erkomenon are different terms to be translated differently.
 
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yes we don't have Matthew 24 without Matthew 23. in which He says woe, woe woe! and calls the scribes and pharisees -- occupants of the temple -- whitewashed tombs, beautiful on the outside but inside full of corpses.

so why are disciples trying to show Him the temple, in 24:1?



what? why? what are they thinking?
what does it mean that they are doing this when He's just gone through all the woes in ch. 23?
why does 24 come after 23?
They were walking by sight looking to the temporal things seen .Showing him the temple as if he who just walked out was blind folded.
It was sign against walking by sight he walked out walked to confirm his word and entered the mountain top to represent all the kingdoms of the world. They were confused as to the true Holy Place not seen .

Faith that comes from hearing God not seen. It was the farthest thing from their fleshly minds.
 
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yes we don't have Matthew 24 without Matthew 23. in which He says woe, woe woe! and calls the scribes and pharisees -- occupants of the temple -- whitewashed tombs, beautiful on the outside but inside full of corpses.

so why are disciples trying to show Him the temple, in 24:1?




what? why? what are they thinking?
what does it mean that they are doing this when He's just gone through all the woes in ch. 23?
why does 24 come after 23?
He wanted to clear that the system was doomed.
 
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yes we don't have Matthew 24 without Matthew 23. in which He says woe, woe woe! and calls the scribes and pharisees -- occupants of the temple -- whitewashed tombs, beautiful on the outside but inside full of corpses.

so why are disciples trying to show Him the temple, in 24:1?




what? why? what are they thinking?
what does it mean that they are doing this when He's just gone through all the woes in ch. 23?
why does 24 come after 23?
He wanted to clear that the system was doomed.
 
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Matthew 22 has no connection to Matthew 24. We have (1) the parable of the Wedding Feast, (2) the lawfulness of paying taxes, (3) the meaning of the resurrection, (4) the two greatest commandments according to Christ and (5) the meaning of Jesus as the Son of David and yet his Lord.

At the end of Matthew 23 we have the prediction of the destruction of Jerusalem, but no mention of the temple (although that would be implied).

In Matthew 24 we have (1) all the developments between the first and second comings of Christ, as well as what would happen immediately after and (2) Christ's teaching on the Rapture as being imminent, sudden, and announced.

He never answered their foolish request directly. No signs and wonders just signs of every day life. He told them things will continue as usual evil right up till the end. They wanted more than what was available . He said their house the temple was left desolate it had become the abomination of desolation never again would they see his face in the temple. The time of reformation had come.

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.Matthew 23: 38 continualing in the same breath King James Version (KJV)Matthew 24:1

They must of thought he was blinded folded or confused at first. Hoping the house temple was not made desolate .

Jesus would not stand in the abomination of desecration . But gave glory to the father notseen
 
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The apostles had maximal confidence in the words and prophecies of Jesus (not Judas),

Some disciples had not full confidence in him.
 

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It may, but the destruction of the temple happen almost 2000 years ago (AD 70)

And second coming is not happen til now.

Or may be Jesus talk what Will happen from the time Jesus talk to second coming
Yes, while it is true there was a destruction of the temple in 70 ad by General Titus, this is EXACTLY why Jesus told us to LEARN A PARABLE OF THE FIG TREE because that is the generation when Daniels prophesy for Israel comes true and the both the good and bad figs are planted and that is the final generation when all will be fulfilled so what happen then is just an example of what will happen in the end times which could never ever possibly have happened before the year of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, when Israel became a nation, in 1948. When Jesus gives a COMMAND, it isn't a maybe or I will soon, it is a DO IT NOW. Then you know and have no more questions and can build upon that solid foundation. I have really tried to make this come across with some "grace" and now all my tenses are mixed up, so if it sounds "not nice" please know that it really is meant to be nice, I just don't communicate very well sometimes.
 
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The apostles realized that Christ was to go away, according to parables, in the meantime the temple would be destroyed; later there would be his presence and later more the end of everything.
 
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Beware nobody misleads you (
Four valiant apostles) for many will come on the basis of my name saying "I am the Christ" and will mislead many.

Those false prophets are false christian prophets.

They will come "on the bases of my name" means they will acknowledge that Jawhe is the savior of Jesus and that Jesus is the anointed king and they will also declare they are anointed as
Christ chosen by Jesus or Jawhe.

But they will be misleading many people.
 

Jackson123

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Yes, while it is true there was a destruction of the temple in 70 ad by General Titus, this is EXACTLY why Jesus told us to LEARN A PARABLE OF THE FIG TREE because that is the generation when Daniels prophesy for Israel comes true and the both the good and bad figs are planted and that is the final generation when all will be fulfilled so what happen then is just an example of what will happen in the end times which could never ever possibly have happened before the year of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, when Israel became a nation, in 1948. When Jesus gives a COMMAND, it isn't a maybe or I will soon, it is a DO IT NOW. Then you know and have no more questions and can build upon that solid foundation. I have really tried to make this come across with some "grace" and now all my tenses are mixed up, so if it sounds "not nice" please know that it really is meant to be nice, I just don't communicate very well sometimes.
If I understand correctly, you believe the destruction of the temple is an Example of what Will happen in the end time, Israel that born as a nation will be destroy. Am I correct?
 

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Matthew 22 has no connection to Matthew 24.
really?

just like page 1 of this thread has no connection to page 3?


is the Bible just a bunch of disjointed paragraphs randomly jumbled together into books?
 

Jackson123

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#59
Beware nobody misleads you (
Four valiant apostles) for many will come on the basis of my name saying "I am the Christ" and will mislead many.

Those false prophets are false christian prophets.

They will come "on the bases of my name" means they will acknowledge that Jawhe is the savior of Jesus and that Jesus is the anointed king and they will also declare they are anointed as
Christ chosen by Jesus or Jawhe.

But they will be misleading many people.
False prophet mean pretend to be prophet.

Jesus is God not a prophet.

So If one pretend to be Christ, he is not false prophet, but false God or false Christ, or antichrist.

Seem to me there are many antichrist, not only one, but only 1 or 2 among the antichrists Will have authority to rule the world as prophecy in rev 13, first beast and second beast.
 
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False prophet is someone saying: "God has said..." when in fact God has not said.