The Jewish people in prophecy

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How does God include “The Jewish people” in Bible prophecy?

Those who are currently in the land of Israel in in Bible prophecy. Let’s see what the Bible has to say about them.

Christ calls them liars

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

John warns us that they are the antichrist

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The death of Israel and the birth of Jezreel (the Jewish people)

Hosea 1:2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD.
Hosea 1:3 So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim; which conceived, and bare him a son.
Hosea 1:4 And the LORD said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little while, and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel. Notice how the name Jezreel sounds like the name Israel. God did that on purpose. Also notice that God said for a little while. They would have this title only for a short period of time.
Hosea 1:5 And it shall come to pass at that day, that I will break the bow of Israel in the valley of Jezreel. Israel was made to be broken at the hands of Jezreel (the Jewish people).
Hosea 1:6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away. Israel received a new name God had to punish her to the point that her real name would not be known for a while.
Hosea 1:8 Now when she had weaned Loruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son.
Hosea 1:9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God. When Israel was on her own, God said to the “Jewish people” that they are not his and he will not be their God. Therefore, the god they are claiming is the god of this world which Christ said “they are of the synagogue of Satan”.

After the tribulation they were setup

1 Maccabees 1:33 Then builded they the city of David with a great and strong wall, and with mighty towers, and made it a strong hold for them.
1 Maccabees 1:34 And they put therein a sinful nation, wicked men, and fortified themselves therein. The land Israel is a wicked land. Not a holy land like they want us to believe. The land is full of gay people which is not of God. The land is practicing everything that was found in Sodom and Gomorrah.
1 Maccabees 1:35 They stored it also with armour and victuals, and when they had gathered together the spoils of Jerusalem, they laid them up there, and so they became a sore snare:
1 Maccabees 1:36 For it was a place to lie in wait against the sanctuary, and an evil adversary to Israel. Aren’t they waiting for their so called messiah?

Daniel 11:14 And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall. Those who robbed Jerusalem would try to establish the vision but they will fall because the truth would come out. This is the truth of God’s Word that they are false.

The enemies of the true Israel

Psalms 83:2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
Psalms 83:3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
Psalms 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
Psalms 83:5 For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
Psalms 83:6 The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
Psalms 83:7 Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;

Good news for Israel

Deuteronomy 33:29 Happy art thou, O Israel: who is like unto thee, O people saved by the LORD, the shield of thy help, and who is the sword of thy excellency! and thine enemies shall be found liars unto thee; and thou shalt tread upon their high places.

Final
These churches are telling us to love and bless Israel but they are pointing us to the wrong people. The word of God is plain and the truth is evident. The truth must and will come out because God has a plan and a Calendar that he goes by. Nothing can alter it but he himself. Believe these false prophets if you want but remember that you will stand before God alone to give an account for your own life.

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
 

JaumeJ

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Jewish by translation is someone who praises Yah, God…….this would be all who believe...
 
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Israel are children of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. To whome the promises were given. To whome also were held up to a standard. And were promised to be punished if they did nto hold that line, Which they failed and were punished. But will be restored when Christ returns.
However, looking at prophesy, they also must be int their land, worshiping in the temple when the antichrist comes. For only then can the abomination which causes desolation take place.
 

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OP what are you trying to accomplish? You obviously do not understand the relationship between Israel and Jehovah God. You claim to be Christian but your posts cause great doubt.

God is not finished with Israel. All of the end time events will center on Israel. When Jesus returns He will return to Jerusalem not to Rome.

For the cause of Christ
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Chester

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OP what are you trying to accomplish? You obviously do not understand the relationship between Israel and Jehovah God. You claim to be Christian but your posts cause great doubt.

God is not finished with Israel. All of the end time events will center on Israel. When Jesus returns He will return to Jerusalem not to Rome.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
It seems the OP is saying that the Jewish people in Israel now are not the Jews. Makes no sense and I wonder what his final agenda is? He has a whole string of similar posts . . . .
 
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OP what are you trying to accomplish? You obviously do not understand the relationship between Israel and Jehovah God. You claim to be Christian but your posts cause great doubt.

God is not finished with Israel. All of the end time events will center on Israel. When Jesus returns He will return to Jerusalem not to Rome.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Not to mention the fact that the first two scriptures he used (stopped reading there) were out of context to lay the foundation for something off the wall.......another let's hate the Jews thread......
 

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Hosea is talking about the kingdom of Israel as opposed to the kingdom of Judah. Hosea's book opens with these words: "The message of God that was given to Hosea son of Beeri in the days of Uzziah, Yotam, Ahaz and Yehizkiah the Kings of Judah, and in the times of Jeroboam son of Yoash, the king of Israel." (Being a native speaker I translated directly from Hebrew.) Jezreel is not another nation but the name of the valley where Jehu's people will lose in battle. Keeping this in mind, the prophecies about Israel still apply to the Jewish people, so rather than excluding them from God's plan we should be praying for them, hoping that God will open the eyes of more Jews to Christ in the coming years. This is how "those who say they are Jews but are not" will have the humility to admit their mistakes and repent. God has not given up on His people, and it is written that He never will. Their rebellion is only temporary.
 

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These churches are telling us to love and bless Israel but they are pointing us to the wrong people
You are seriously confused in your theology, so it would be a waste of time to address each of your errors. Kindly go back and study the bible properly, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
 

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Why are people talking about Judaism when God ended it with a New Covenant?
 

JaumeJ

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Why are people talking about Judaism when God ended it with a New Covenant?
The truth is there was no Judaism until after our Lord came. Issrael and Judah were governed by God, since then they are not. All Blood Jews have left are a variety of denominations under and umbrella title of Judaism, just like Christianity, when it came into bieng separate from Israel has many denominatins under its umbrell title, Christian.
 

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The truth is there was no Judaism until after our Lord came. Issrael and Judah were governed by God, since then they are not. All Blood Jews have left are a variety of denominations under and umbrella title of Judaism, just like Christianity, when it came into bieng separate from Israel has many denominatins under its umbrell title, Christian.
Thank you for the explanation, I suppose I should have realised that. I'm stumped now to know what to call the religion of the Israelites. Have you any suggestions? Yahwism perhaps?
 

JaumeJ

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Thank you for the explanation, I suppose I should have realised that. I'm stumped now to know what to call the religion of the Israelites. Have you any suggestions? Yahwism perhaps?
They are categorized into varied denominations...……….

Keep always in mind that Israel may be translated as tor Rule with El(hanu). That is how all who come to Christ are to be, ruling with Him.............We are the Israel of God.
 
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I would offer to begin with God is not a man as us, (corrupted creation) . Never was never could be. He is not served by human hands in any way shape or form .

He can use a unbeliever to perform the work of the bringing His gospel just as easily as with one who believes not. (no faith) or as easily of saying: "let there be and there was". Its never the feet or hands of those he send. . . but the words of eternal life that can change lives from the inside out.

Christian is a word that without any other meaning added means; "residents of the City of Christ" (His bride) .It is named by God and not by man .Named after her founder in respect to her husband, Christ.

Christian is the final name he named his new creature the bride. Nothing against the old name or the flesh used to represent for that time period. Flesh is flesh nothing more and nothing less.. But its seems in many circles the old name carries something greater to some .Like there is an advantage other than up unto the first century reformation. Prior he spoke using the Hebrew tongue as His tongue of prophecy . If any heard it and believed God it was a advantage or blessing . As of Acts 2 It has all turned into one new tongue, the gospel. . . men and woman prophets from all the nations declaring the gospel the new tongue just as spoken of in Joel.

Christianity is not a is not a Jewish religion based on the flesh. The first century reformation has come. We walk by faith. All nations need the gospel the power of peace.
 

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They are categorized into varied denominations...……….

Keep always in mind that Israel may be translated as tor Rule with El(hanu). That is how all who come to Christ are to be, ruling with Him.............We are the Israel of God.
If you are going to rule with God, then I don't think I dare speak to you any more. :cautious:
 

JaumeJ

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If you are going to rule with God, then I don't think I dare speak to you any more. :cautious:

My reference is not to me, it is to all who believe, and I aspire to be counted among them. I cannot change what is foretold of us. I do not plan the kINGDOM, THIS IS FOR OUR fATHER ALWAYS.

iT IS ALSO WRITTEN THE SAINTS WILL BE HANDED OVER AUTHORITY TO JUDGE...……….BUT NOT IN THIS AGE. wE ARE TO JUDGE NO ONE UNTIL THAT IS GIVEN US, AND FOR NOW I believe were it given to me I waould ask our Savior to be te judge always.

It is all in the Book, the ame Book all who love Jesus, Yeshua, read……...

In closing, I do hope you do not think I believe I am ruling anything at all……….I am merely repeating what is in the Word, and these a re proises of things to come. Now, what do yu suppose a child of God willdo come the Kingdom…..?There will be not much need of judging since all in the Kingdom will be part of it...

If yo do not wish to speak of things to comeas written, fine, but do not put me as somekind of self-appointed ruler…...read the Word.
 

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My reference is not to me, it is to all who believe, and I aspire to be counted among them. I cannot change what is foretold of us. I do not plan the kINGDOM, THIS IS FOR OUR fATHER ALWAYS.

iT IS ALSO WRITTEN THE SAINTS WILL BE HANDED OVER AUTHORITY TO JUDGE...……….BUT NOT IN THIS AGE. wE ARE TO JUDGE NO ONE UNTIL THAT IS GIVEN US, AND FOR NOW I believe were it given to me I waould ask our Savior to be te judge always.

It is all in the Book, the ame Book all who love Jesus, Yeshua, read……...

In closing, I do hope you do not think I believe I am ruling anything at all……….I am merely repeating what is in the Word, and these a re proises of things to come. Now, what do yu suppose a child of God willdo come the Kingdom…..?There will be not much need of judging since all in the Kingdom will be part of it...

If yo do not wish to speak of things to comeas written, fine, but do not put me as somekind of self-appointed ruler…...read the Word.
Sorry, I did not mean anything, it just came as a bit of a shock, that's all. To be honest you are among those I most respect. :)
 

JaumeJ

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Sorry, I did not mean anything, it just came as a bit of a shock, that's all. To be honest you are among those I most respect. :)

If you love and believe jESUS, Yeshua, you may look forward to all reward even though they some seem something we are not aiming for.

Come the Kingdom, we shall all be increidbly in awe, not just upon our arrival, etrnally, and it will be glorious to the Father .. YOu have the same reward as do all saints…..a saint is someone sanctivied by the Blood of the lAMB.. pRAISE gOD MY DEAR ONE, AMEN.