Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

lightbearer · Jul 18, 2019

I see the humor.
However Sadly it usually Never does anyone any good except oneself to express ones frustration in this venue. Especially in an insulting way.

dcontroversal · Jul 18, 2019

posthuman said:

Absolute truth that the salvation losers and workers for cannot grasp right here in this post by POST

SimpleGardner · Jul 18, 2019

lightbearer said:

I hope my words were not taken as a slight or insult towards anyone. If so please forgive me. The point I wanted to make while commenting on NayBorBear's post was he has a clever sense of humor and he used it to show his exasperation, but mostly it was, that while some challenge any of us who even talk pleasantly about Gods Laws I find it to be a light to my path.

Be Well

SimpleGardner · Jul 18, 2019

When Paul speaks about:

Godly sorrow >>>> which leads to ">>>Repentance >>>> which leads to >>>> Salvation

VS

Worldly Sorrow >>>> which leads to >>>> Death

The centerpiece of Godly Sorrow is REPENTANCE!

To those who challenge conversations on the Law, I have a fundamental question for you:

When Paul said;

Rom 8:1 NIV Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

Does this mean that anyone "in Christ Jesus" does not have to repent?

Also, do you believe that only people with "Godly Sorrow" can find salvation or can people with "Worldly Sorrow" only be saved?

Also, do you think it is possible that there are people who think they are saved that only ever had "Worldly Sorrow"?

posthuman · Jul 18, 2019

lightbearer said:

"that is" the word that is near us and in our heart: that whoever believes in His resurrection in their heart and confesses it with their mouth will be saved.
That belief and confession is not Moses Law. This word of FAITH is explicitly contrasted to the Law ((see also Galatians, "the law is not of faith')) and the reason he is harkening back to Moses is because he is contrasting the gospel to the covenant made at Sinai.

SimpleGardner · Jul 18, 2019

posthuman said:

Greetings PH,

I see what you are saying, but why do you think the verse below was put in scripture?

Gen 26:4-5 KJV And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; (5) Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

I love that verse you quoted David on! When I read that I have asked myself; "Is repentance part of that equation?" In other words when David spoke of the "absolution" as you put it was there any repentance required on his part? Interested in your take on this.

Thanks

SimpleGardner · Jul 18, 2019

FollowHisSteps said:

Hi preston,

There is nothing inept going on here. What do you do with someone with a hammer wanting submission?
Exit the building, lol.

Paul is explicit about behaviour that is poor, ungodly,

3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.
5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person--such a man is an idolater--has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5

8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light
9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)
10 and find out what pleases the Lord.
Eph 5

19 Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord,
20 always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
Eph 5

Talking about sin in the third person, as if it is something not our responsibility but innate
is a deception, which leads people to claim we cannot avoid sin, and are bound to it until
we meet the Lord. Odd conversations come about where the idea is sin happens all the time
without even doing things. So Gods cleansing and forgiveness is not true, we are not truly
cleansed, so they believe. To even walk in purity for one second for them is impossible.

The language to cover this would be, no in Gods eyes we are pure because of Jesus covering
us, rather than we are washed clean and walk as a purified people.

I appreciate you brother. To calm a quarrel is to be a peacemaker! "A child of God!"

Grandpa · Jul 18, 2019

DeighAnn said:

Yep.

I thought Gods Word, which you professed to love, would get through where I wasn't able.

How could I have possibly known how upset that would make you? I thought you would just put your special twist on it that legalists and judaizers use to try to place everyone under law.

Such as when you say you are under the "spirit of the law". That is a perfect example of the legalist/judaizer twist. It almost seems like there could be some truth to it. You are using all the biblical terms.

I really don't understand why we even have discussions over this. It was settled over 2000 yrs ago. All you have to do is read the bible that has a New Testament in it.

What the extraordinarily funny thing about all these discussions is that the legalists/judaizers think they are more wise and more holy than actual Christians who have come to Christ and receive Rest.

Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Acts 15:5,10
5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Did Jesus ever tell us we don't have to keep the law of Moses?

Yes. But with a stipulation. You must come to Him to receive rest from your work at the law. It is NOT just a general abolishing of the law.

Peter tells us we no longer have to keep the law of Moses in Acts 15.

Paul tells us we no longer have to keep the law of Moses, and the reasons why, in ALL of his epistles.

We, of course, meaning we who have come to Christ and receive rest.

DeighAnn · Jul 18, 2019

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands
In time PAST Gentiles
That at that time ye were without Christ
were without Christ
being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
aliens of Israel
and strangers from the covenants of promise,
strangers from the covenants
having no hope, and without God in the world:
having no hope, without God
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ
Now in Christ Jesus made nigh
For he is our peace, who hath made both one
Israel and Gentiles made one, that ONE with Christ, have hope, no longer strangers from the covenants
and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
same, no longer different
Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances
we are ONE in Christ
for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

UnderGrace · Jul 18, 2019

Grandpa said:

In times past on here this has tended to be the case, agree.

Grandpa · Jul 18, 2019

UnderGrace said:

Roger. No reason to further stir the pot I suppose.

DeighAnn · Jul 18, 2019

Grandpa said:

LETS say Moses law was A double decker english bus. Lets say Jesus law was a prius. What words would I have to use to tell you I don't drive double decker English bus, I only drive a prius? These are the words I can not find for you. No matter how many times or how many ways I tell you I do not, I have not , I can not drive a double decker English bus you wont believe me. Not only wont you believe me, you also keep calling me a BAD DRIVER of a double decker English bus which I can't be because I drive a prius. ANY THING? ANYTHING AT ALL?

DeighAnn · Jul 18, 2019

One of the best things about repentance through the blood of Christ? When we realized we have sinned and it is hurting our spirit and soul, we can immediately ask for forgiveness through that awesome Gift From Above the Blood of Christ, and being instantly washed clean, and we feel it, in our heart and mind and we may in the very same conversation, ask God for the help and wisdom we need to come to terms with it, forgive ourselves and walk away a smarter and better person and have our light shine a bit brighter, moving on to find another one of His children and plant a seed. Awesome.

Dan_473 · Jul 18, 2019

DeighAnn said:

Makes you realize not only the reason but also the difference between the "Letter of the Law" and the "Spirit of the Law" and how the Holy Spirt leads us. Thank God for the wisdom and knowledge of God for the common sense to be able to discern between the times and the relevance and/or irrelevance of each of the laws that past away and/or was changed. Do you think common sense comes from a gift of God direct, or from study in the Word of God as a gift. I think He may gift people but more than not it comes from studying. I know for me it, it has been a huge leap. Some questions people ask can't be answered by another person, they can only be found, one on one with God in deep study. Some people get so mad when you tell them to find the answer in the bible themselves. And even with deep study, He gives it to you in His time not yours. Don't you agree?
Do you think that the rapist had to marry the girl because she was considered "not clean" after and as such would never marry and it was a way to make sure she did? Do you think there were many rapists? I think society was much different.
Where did it say the girl had to marry the rapist? I thought they were to be stoned to death? I have always found comfort in that. I think that all rapists and murderers should be stoned in public with the family allowed to throw the first stone. I think if we followed Gods laws on this today there would be much less of it happening.

The good side is it must have worked out really well for those star crossed lovers from different tribes who were told they would never be together, and they couldn't live without each other. But as with everything in this life it is the battle between Good and Evil every step of the way isn't it? People seem to forget that Everything is vanity. The only things that truly count are of the Sprititual world even here even now. God even tells us how fleeting this life is. I guess when you can divide a spirit from a soul it doesn't take to much flesh life to see how much of what we did back then was of love and goodness and strength and courage, or an evil influence or if the evil was really a part of us and we can't overcome. I know I can't wait till Judgment Day either.

Lots of great ideas in your post!

Let's start here
You asked where it says the girl has to marry the rapist
Deuteronomy 22: 28. If a man find a lady who is a virgin, who is not pledged to be married, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29. then the man who lay with her shall give to the lady's father fifty [shekels] of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has humbled her; he may not put her away all his days.

FollowHisSteps · Jul 18, 2019

Grandpa said:

Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

This is a fantastic promise. Taking Jesus's yoke is learning His ways and walking them, day in day out.
And in this we find rest for our souls and peace everlasting.

What is odd, and I mean odd, to take Jesus's teaching and say we can just live a life of slough, doing nothing
and this is what He intended and called us to, when in fact He called us to obey and to love and to follow.

So unless you cannot read, the words of Jesus will condemn those who claim to rest in Jesus and do nothing.
The problem with the language here is to obey Jesus is called being a judaizers or legalist.

If you think Jesus cared for those who rebelled against His word, you missed the part when He said unless you
drink His blood and eat His flesh you cannot be His disciple. Jesus never compromises. In the flesh it would be
easy to just agree, anything goes, but Jesus is actually the opposite, the small gate and the narrow path.

Praise the Lord if you have faith to believe Him, you will find the gate and walk the path, and it will be a blessing
Amen.

eternally-gratefull · Jul 18, 2019

SimpleGardner said:

Lol

Had to open up all posts. He just agreed with one of the worst offenders in CC when it comes to stirring up things

I think this about says it all..

eternally-gratefull · Jul 18, 2019

DeighAnn said:

If you are realizing you are a sinner AFTER you are saved, there is something majorly wrong with your thinking.

The law was supposed to bring us to this point BEFORE we are saved, and this is why we call out to God completely broken, like the tax collector.

After we are saved, What we learn is how truly deep a sinner we really are. And not because the law is training us, But because we are learning more and more the character of God. And how our minute by minute decisions can be sinful, or fruit-bearing, and we do nto even have to break the law for it to be sin-full.

UnderGrace · Jul 18, 2019

Grandpa said:

It is just a different language some people use, using different terms, so it is hard to get to what is really meant.

When I read your posts it just rings so clear and true to me and I do not have to re-examine the language......you preach biblical grace!!

Amen and Amen

I have learned so much already from you, so by all means please continue to stir the pot, in Italian cooking, the most delicious meals need to be continually supervised and stirred.

DeighAnn · Jul 18, 2019

dcontroversal said:

And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; (5) Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes and my laws. And by these, he and all the nations of the earth are blessed.

Have you written a book for this subject?

DeighAnn · Jul 18, 2019

FollowHisSteps said:

Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

What is odd, and I mean odd, to take Jesus's teaching and say we can just live a life of slough, doing nothing
and this is what He intended and called us to, when in fact He called us to obey and to love and to follow.

Praise the Lord if you have faith to believe Him, you will find the gate and walk the path, and it will be a blessing
Amen.[/QUOTE God found His law to be so important He came to earth Himself and wrote it. Then came to earth to die for it and to have it written on our hearts and minds. Is there any way, any one could ever convince you that it was, and for lack of a better word, moot? I like the way you made that connection to obey Jesus is to be a judaizer according to some. I am almost ,in the face of all that has been posted back and forth here, starting to look at that as a compliment of where I stand.

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