what is love?

Defenderofgrace · Jul 18, 2019

what love is not

It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. (1 Cor 13:4-6)

what love is

4 Love is patient, love is kind. (1 Cor 13:4)
7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. (1 Cor 13:7)

Deuteronomy · Jul 19, 2019

Hi @Defenderofgrace, I love this section of 1 Corinthians

Not only does it tell us why it's so important to be loving as a Christian (v1-3), it also tells us (in a practical sense) what Godly love is supposed to look like, what it is and what it isn't too (as you just noted for us above

).

I also like the fact that it's laid out (to a degree anyway) like an ingredient label on the side of a package of food, with the most important ingredients, and the stuff that it contains the most of (in this case, patience and kindness) written right at the top list.

~Deut

Deuteronomy · Jul 19, 2019

Here are all 13 verses of 1 Corinthians 13. I thought they might be useful to have quick access to here.

1 Corinthians 13

1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

3 And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant,

5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered,

6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;

7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.

9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part;

10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.

11 When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.

12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.

13 But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.

~Deut

dcontroversal · Jul 19, 2019

Defenderofgrace said:

what love is not

It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. (1 Cor 13:4-6)

what love is

4 Love is patient, love is kind. (1 Cor 13:4)
7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. (1 Cor 13:7)

Love also REJOICES IN TRUTH......

Stranger36147 · Jul 19, 2019

Here's your answer, OP.

Deuteronomy · Jul 19, 2019

Defenderofgrace said:

dcontroversal said:

What's the difference in the two (rejoicing with the truth ~vs~ rejoicing in truth)

Thanks!

~Deut

dcontroversal · Jul 19, 2019

Deuteronomy said:

Study the word translated "in" and not it is not WITH..........

Defenderofgrace · Jul 19, 2019

Deuteronomy said:

Hi Deuteronomy,

Interesting analogy and observation from your second paragraph, we all learn something new everyday

Magenta · Jul 19, 2019

Deuteronomy · Jul 19, 2019

dcontroversal said:

I just grabbed Stong's and here's what it had to say. I'm not sure why the KJV decided to translate the συγχαίρω as "rejoice in" just the one time in 1 Cor 13:6, and "rejoice with" the other six times that συγχαίρω occurs, but that's what they did. Anyway, here's Strong's:

4796 συγχαίρω [sugchairo /soong·khah·ee·ro/] v. From 4862 and 5463; TDNT 9:359; TDNTA 1298; GK 5176; Seven occurrences; AV translates as “rejoice with” six times, and “rejoice in” once.

1 to rejoice with, take part in another’s joy. 2 to rejoice together, to congratulate. ~Strong, J. (1995). Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon

I don't have a problem with either one personally (because I don't perceive any real/meaningful difference between the two English words .. in this case), and when you consider what the lexicon just told us, as well the fact that the body of our translations and paraphrases are basically split down the middle on this one, I guess I'll need to ask you again, what is the difference between the two in your opinion that makes "rejoices in the truth" an acceptable translation, and "rejoices with the truth" an unacceptable one

Thanks again!

~Deut

Deuteronomy · Jul 19, 2019

Defenderofgrace said:

Hi again Defenderofgrace, I agree, and I'm especially happy to be a Christian in regard to this, because we Christians have an eternity of days in front of us to keep leaning new things about Him

God bless you!

~Deut

JaumeJ · Jul 19, 2019

Deuteronomy said:

I just grabbed Stong's and here's what it had to say. I'm not sure why the KJV decided to translate the συγχαίρω as "rejoice in" just the one time in 1 Cor 13:6, and "rejoice with" the other six times that συγχαίρω occurs, but that's what they did. Anyway, here's Strong's:

4796 συγχαίρω [sugchairo /soong·khah·ee·ro/] v. From 4862 and 5463; TDNT 9:359; TDNTA 1298; GK 5176; Seven occurrences; AV translates as “rejoice with” six times, and “rejoice in” once.

1 to rejoice with, take part in another’s joy. 2 to rejoice together, to congratulate. ~Strong, J. (1995). Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon

I don't have a problem with either one personally (because I don't perceive any real/meaningful difference between the two English words .. in this case), and when you consider what the lexicon just told us, as well the fact that the body of our translations and paraphrases are basically split down the middle on this one, I guess I'll need to ask you again, what is the difference between the two in your opinion that makes "rejoices in the truth" an acceptable translation, and "rejoices with the truth" an unacceptable one

Thanks again!

~Deut

It is sometimes difficult when people who know exactly what is being said will nit-pick over a word.... you are a patient brother. These same will nit-pick another if they understand differently than they and both are correct..........it is their way or the freeway.ñ

Bod bless you always Deut....j

dcontroversal · Jul 19, 2019

Deuteronomy said:

οὐ χαίρει ἐπὶ τῇ ἀδικίᾳ, συνχαίρει δὲ τῇ ἀληθείᾳ

τῇ
tē in the Art-DFS <--the definite article tied with with the word truth is why the word is translated rejoices in i 1st Corinthains....

Love rejoicing IN THE TRUTH IS NOT THE SAME AS LOVE REJOICING WITH THE TRUTH.....

It sets the truth ABOVE love as opposed to love being equal with truth.......

Think about this truth and why God inspired it the way he did.....GOD has even MAGNIFIED the truth above his VERY NAME because at the end of the day when the dust settles the Number one characteristic of God is his personification of truth............

That is why it makes a difference to me.....

Every word is inspired for a reason...anyway....

dcontroversal · Jul 19, 2019

JaumeJ said:

Take it up with God..he inspired EVERY word for a reason...maybe you can be flippantly loose with the word of God, I however will not be....and one of the reasons for all of the heretical mistruths being peddled today is because of the very attitude you portray in this post of yours...handling the word of God deceitfully and NOT CUTTING IT STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

Magenta · Jul 19, 2019

JaumeJ · Jul 19, 2019

Pardon me young man! And if I teach we should obey the law according to Jesus, I am doing such?

You are a wise man.

For instance the law that we should not plant two kinds of seed in the same field probably is just all wrong to you, right? Read the parable of the Sower, that is Jesus, His seed is the Word, and the field is mankind.

So show me which laws Jesus teaches us not to obey, and I will show you a lie. However He has made obsolete the lion's portion of them...….yet, YOu handle the word like an expert, yes, just lke Jesus, righ? That is a question

Jackson123 · Jul 19, 2019

The definition of love is in 1 cor 13

The Example of love is oN the cross

Love in Jesus standart is willing to die for the enemy like Jesus.

I do not think we able achieve that standart of ourself.

Love is the fruit of Holy Spirit (galation5)

Branch not able to bear fruit of itself

John 15

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

One more time

The branch can not bear fruit of itself = human Can not love(God standart of love, not human standart of love) of itself. You may say, my non Christian friend love me. So Jesus Lie. Is your friend love you to the point willing to die oN the cross for you? Love in biblical context is difrent with love in worldly standart. So when Jesus say branch can not bear fruit/produce love of It self, Jesus talking about love in His standart

JaumeJ · Jul 19, 2019

Jackson123 said:

The definition of love is in 1 cor 13

The Example of love is oN the cross

Love in Jesus standart is willing to die for the enemy like Jesus.

I do not think we able achieve that standart of ourself.

Love is the fruit of Holy Spirit (galation5)

Branch not able to bear fruit of itself

John 15

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

One more time

The branch can not bear fruit of itself = human Can not love(God standart of love, not human standart of love) of itself. You may say, my non Christian friend love me. So Jesus Lie. Is your friend love you to the point willing to die oN the cross for you? Love in biblical context is difrent with love in worldly standart. So when Jesus say branch can not bear fruit/produce love of It self, Jesus talking about love in His standart

I have prayed n that subject for myself as per dying for your enemy……..it is an incredible goal. Our Lord has done this, even forgiving from His agony on the cross,, now for His Body Members, amen.

JaumeJ · Jul 19, 2019

Paul on disputing words.

1Ti 6:3 If any man teacheth a different doctrine, and consenteth not to sound words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 he is puffed up, knowing nothing, but doting about questionings and disputes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

It is one thing to share the understanding of the Word and another to tell others who understand from a different vantage given by the Lord, Himself, that only you are correct. Let us all put on th e uniform of our Maker and not vain rags.

Jackson123 · Jul 19, 2019

JaumeJ said:

So do I, I love to achieve that standart, but unfortunately I am far from It.

I am glad Jesus promise that If we abide in Him, soner or later we Will be there.

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