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No one can properly teach if they have not first obtained knowledge and understanding through study--
But study, knowledge, and understanding does not automatically make one a teacher.
While Paul instructed Timothy (and us) to study, he also taught that a pastor/teacher must have the ability to teach.
To some, teaching is a natural ability. Some become good or even great teacher through hard work and effort.
And some just never succeed in becoming teachers, regardless of their education.
It is foolishness to equate someone with a seminary education as automatically being a good/great teacher.
Many good/great teacher have seminary educations. Many do not.
And sadly, many seminary educated people are very poor teachers.
That is what I have experienced.
But study, knowledge, and understanding does not automatically make one a teacher.
While Paul instructed Timothy (and us) to study, he also taught that a pastor/teacher must have the ability to teach.
To some, teaching is a natural ability. Some become good or even great teacher through hard work and effort.
And some just never succeed in becoming teachers, regardless of their education.
It is foolishness to equate someone with a seminary education as automatically being a good/great teacher.
Many good/great teacher have seminary educations. Many do not.
And sadly, many seminary educated people are very poor teachers.
That is what I have experienced.
I will boast in Jesus and his impartation to me of the Holy Spirit.
The Spirit of truth guiding me,correcting me,filling me,and Speaking to me.
His favor and warmth upon me and in His abilities and credentials.
I do not need the ackolaids of men to affirm me.
If i am "right" and correct, men will likely abandon me,hate me and attempt to correct me.
Seminary is really hit and miss.
Depends on if it was full gospel and what men you were exposed to.
The man grounded in the word and baptised in the Holy Spirit is miles ahead of an institution.
Men will mislead.
In fact,you are almost GUARANTEED error by being taught of men.
Only one source. That is heaven. All truth proceeds from heaven.
Only one safe place. In the bosom of Jesus,my ear pressed to his breast and listening to that rhythm of his heart.
I would not trade that for 50 seminaries.
In fact they would for sure put out the fire.
The bible says "the letter killeth,but the spirit giveth life"
Better to er in spirit grace and love than head knowledge.
That is why the followers of Jesus are commanded. "Tarry in Jerusalem till you are endued with power"
The river of God.
The Spirit of truth guiding me,correcting me,filling me,and Speaking to me.
His favor and warmth upon me and in His abilities and credentials.
I do not need the ackolaids of men to affirm me.
If i am "right" and correct, men will likely abandon me,hate me and attempt to correct me.
Seminary is really hit and miss.
Depends on if it was full gospel and what men you were exposed to.
The man grounded in the word and baptised in the Holy Spirit is miles ahead of an institution.
Men will mislead.
In fact,you are almost GUARANTEED error by being taught of men.
Only one source. That is heaven. All truth proceeds from heaven.
Only one safe place. In the bosom of Jesus,my ear pressed to his breast and listening to that rhythm of his heart.
I would not trade that for 50 seminaries.
In fact they would for sure put out the fire.
The bible says "the letter killeth,but the spirit giveth life"
Better to er in spirit grace and love than head knowledge.
That is why the followers of Jesus are commanded. "Tarry in Jerusalem till you are endued with power"
The river of God.
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The Spirit always preceeds the Word.
Knowledge leads to pride. Pride to a fall. Error.
If I "lead" or present knowledge as my starting place and banner I have failed.
I am "backwards" because none of us has any knowledge but what entered.
It originated somewhere.
Thats what the bible says.
It says why boast ye in knowledge as if you originated it. Were you not taught it?
Knowledge leads to pride. Pride to a fall. Error.
If I "lead" or present knowledge as my starting place and banner I have failed.
I am "backwards" because none of us has any knowledge but what entered.
It originated somewhere.
Thats what the bible says.
It says why boast ye in knowledge as if you originated it. Were you not taught it?
"And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, 31 so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.” 1 Cor. 1:17
I was a born again, spirit filled believer for 25 years before I humbled myself and realized I could not understand the Bible without help. Seminary gave me tools to correctly divide the Word, and it helped me grow as a Christian, because of the incredible godliness of the professors. In my seminary, every professor had been a missionary in the foreign field, including communist China. They understood persecution, and that love wins people. But, they never compromised on preaching sin, because that is part of the gospel. Jesus came to save us from our sin! He died for our sin! And he is returning one day for a church without spot or wrinkle.
I don't care if anyone else has gone to Bible college or seminary. So many of you can't even spell right, you would never make it through. But this "I'm holier than you, because the Spirit leads me ONLY" nonsense needs to be rebuked. God tells us to study, to be an approved worker. For me, studying came about in seminary, from people who understood the Bible and God so much better than I ever could on my own.
I am not putting down those without education. But I am saying more bad doctrines have been posted by people in this forum who studied the Bible on their own, with ONLY the Spirit leading them. I am not saying it cannot be done, but I needed more. And now, I am not seduced by every wind or change in Churchianity or internetology.
" It was he who gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, that is, to build up the body of Christ, 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God—a mature person, attaining to the measure of Christ’s full stature. 14 So we are no longer to be children, tossed back and forth by waves and carried about by every wind of teaching by the trickery of people who craftily carry out their deceitful schemes." Eph. 4:11-14
I chose to be taught be teachers. I also moved to churches that had educated pastors. Oh, and all were so led by the Spirit. Most of you are out there on your own, and you never consult a teacher or prophet. And it shows in the level of anti-intellectualism in this forum.
I choose a good theological education, AND the Holy Spirit. They are not mutually exclusive, you know!
I was a born again, spirit filled believer for 25 years before I humbled myself and realized I could not understand the Bible without help. Seminary gave me tools to correctly divide the Word, and it helped me grow as a Christian, because of the incredible godliness of the professors. In my seminary, every professor had been a missionary in the foreign field, including communist China. They understood persecution, and that love wins people. But, they never compromised on preaching sin, because that is part of the gospel. Jesus came to save us from our sin! He died for our sin! And he is returning one day for a church without spot or wrinkle.
I don't care if anyone else has gone to Bible college or seminary. So many of you can't even spell right, you would never make it through. But this "I'm holier than you, because the Spirit leads me ONLY" nonsense needs to be rebuked. God tells us to study, to be an approved worker. For me, studying came about in seminary, from people who understood the Bible and God so much better than I ever could on my own.
I am not putting down those without education. But I am saying more bad doctrines have been posted by people in this forum who studied the Bible on their own, with ONLY the Spirit leading them. I am not saying it cannot be done, but I needed more. And now, I am not seduced by every wind or change in Churchianity or internetology.
" It was he who gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, that is, to build up the body of Christ, 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God—a mature person, attaining to the measure of Christ’s full stature. 14 So we are no longer to be children, tossed back and forth by waves and carried about by every wind of teaching by the trickery of people who craftily carry out their deceitful schemes." Eph. 4:11-14
I chose to be taught be teachers. I also moved to churches that had educated pastors. Oh, and all were so led by the Spirit. Most of you are out there on your own, and you never consult a teacher or prophet. And it shows in the level of anti-intellectualism in this forum.
I choose a good theological education, AND the Holy Spirit. They are not mutually exclusive, you know!
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You recognized your need, had the opportunity, and took advantage. Good for you.
Some of us never had the opportunity to go to seminary, but took advantage of teachers and books available to us. And yes, we spent much time in prayer and seeking Holy Spirit leadership.
I believe when one goes it alone, most times they get many things wrong.
BUT, many with a seminary education often disagree and miss the mark.
You are correct, some of us would not do well in a classroom, but that does not mean we are unable to learn.
One's intellect should never be judged on the fact they do not speak or write as well as you do.
By the way you miss-spelled a word in the next to last paragraph.
Some of us never had the opportunity to go to seminary, but took advantage of teachers and books available to us. And yes, we spent much time in prayer and seeking Holy Spirit leadership.
I believe when one goes it alone, most times they get many things wrong.
BUT, many with a seminary education often disagree and miss the mark.
You are correct, some of us would not do well in a classroom, but that does not mean we are unable to learn.
One's intellect should never be judged on the fact they do not speak or write as well as you do.
By the way you miss-spelled a word in the next to last paragraph.
