Not By Works

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Noose said:
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James is saying something different from what you are saying. He clearly says a man is not justified by faith alone.

There are no works that could be considered as evidence of your assurance for salvation and if you are doing anything because you are assured of salvation then you need to stop.
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And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. (Jas 2:23-24 KJV)

What is brilliant about this is that Abraham did not do a thing. He did not do any works at all. He simply showed a willingness to be obedient. His faith was heartfelt and his willingness to be obedient to God was heartfelt. For that, he was both saved and justified.
 
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PS said:
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. (Jas 2:23-24 KJV)

What is brilliant about this is that Abraham did not do a thing. He did not do any works at all. He simply showed a willingness to be obedient. His faith was heartfelt and his willingness to be obedient to God was heartfelt.
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Abraham did so many things, the reason i'm torn between you and James:

James 2:20You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless d ? 21Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” e and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
 
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103,282+ posts on this thread and no closer to agreement than from post #1.

Titus 3:9
"But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain."

John 17:3
“Now this is eternal life: that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.”

Matthew 11:29
"Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and you will find rest unto your souls."
 
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HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAH wow man......you are one of the biggest cake takers on this site.........

The bolded is as ridiculous as it comes.....the look INDICATED FAITH not works......this type of reasoning makes me want to spew
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Heb 11:1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

What they were told and believed is faith (hope for things we do not see). Lifting their eyes in obedience is a work. Those that believed and did not follow instructions were later buried.
 
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103,282+ posts on this thread and no closer to agreement than from post #1.

Titus 3:9
"But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain."

John 17:3
“Now this is eternal life: that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.”

Matthew 11:29
"Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and you will find rest unto your souls."
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This view not only shows a lack of truth but also reeks of an incorrect judgment......dozens of people have been enlightened, changed their view and come on line with the truth, a plethora of different truths have been examined, and too be frank.....if you have nothing to add but judgmental ignorance....find a different thread....
 
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Abraham did so many things, the reason i'm torn between you and James:

James 2:20You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless d ? 21Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” e and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
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There are six aspects of justification.
We are justified by grace (Rom_3:24). This simply means that we do not deserve to be justified; in fact, we deserve the very opposite.

We are justified by faith (Rom_5:1). Faith is the human response to God's grace. By faith, we accept the free gift. Faith is that which appropriates what God has done for us.

We are justified by blood (Rom_5:9). Here blood is the price which had to be paid in order to procure our justification. The debt of sin was met by the precious blood of Christ, and now God can justify ungodly sinners because a righteous satisfaction has been made.

We are justified by God (Rom_8:33). The truth here is that God is the Person who justifies.

We are justified by power (Rom_4:25). Our justification is linked to the power that raised Christ from the dead. His resurrection proves that God is satisfied.

And we are justified by works (Jas_2:24). Works are the outward proof of the reality of our faith.

God is the justifier, our works which Abraham did not do, are simply the outward sign of God's redeeming work in us.
 
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Heb 11:1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

What they were told and believed is faith (hope for things we do not see). Lifting their eyes in obedience is a work. Those that believed and did not follow instructions were later buried.
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAH more scriptural ignorance the bolded is another fallacy...man..do you even know the truth

NO BODY believed and DID NOT LOOK

WOW man.....your level of spiritual ineptitude blows my mind......

SHOW ME ONE that BELIEVED and DID NOT LOOK.........
 
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This view not only shows a lack of truth but also reeks of an incorrect judgment......dozens of people have been enlightened, changed their view and come on line with the truth, a plethora of different truths have been examined, and too be frank.....if you have nothing to add but judgmental ignorance....find a different thread....
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All I did was post scripture. It's not my view.

But yes, by all means let me leave so you can continue your debate.
 
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All I did was post scripture. It's not my view.

But yes, by all means let me leave so you can continue your debate.
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What book, chapter and verse is the following found in?

103,282+ posts on this thread and no closer to agreement than from post #1.<---your view

Bolded...false
underlined...false
 
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There are six aspects of justification.
We are justified by grace (Rom_3:24). This simply means that we do not deserve to be justified; in fact, we deserve the very opposite.

We are justified by faith (Rom_5:1). Faith is the human response to God's grace. By faith, we accept the free gift. Faith is that which appropriates what God has done for us.

We are justified by blood (Rom_5:9). Here blood is the price which had to be paid in order to procure our justification. The debt of sin was met by the precious blood of Christ, and now God can justify ungodly sinners because a righteous satisfaction has been made.

We are justified by God (Rom_8:33). The truth here is that God is the Person who justifies.

We are justified by power (Rom_4:25). Our justification is linked to the power that raised Christ from the dead. His resurrection proves that God is satisfied.

And we are justified by works (Jas_2:24). Works are the outward proof of the reality of our faith.

God is the justifier, our works which Abraham did not do, are simply the outward sign of God's redeeming work in us.
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Like i said, there was no one to explain the six aspects of justification to them that the letter was written to and it seems James wanted to be clear enough on his letter. So he really meant it when he said a man is justified by what he does and not faith alone.
 
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAH more scriptural ignorance the bolded is another fallacy...man..do you even know the truth

NO BODY believed and DID NOT LOOK

WOW man.....your level of spiritual ineptitude blows my mind......

SHOW ME ONE that BELIEVED and DID NOT LOOK.........
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NO BODY believes in Jesus and DOES NOT OBEY

WOW man.....your level of spiritual ineptitude blows my mind......

SHOW ME ONE that BELIEVES in Jesus and DOES NOT OBEY HIM

See, it was just a lesson that you have to learn and correlate with Jesus' (real deal). They don't have to put every tiny details of it, the tiny details are with us today.
 
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What book, chapter and verse is the following found in?

103,282+ posts on this thread and no closer to agreement than from post #1.<---your view

Bolded...false
underlined...false
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Ephesians 4:15

Now let me exit out the door already, you bully!
 
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Matt 25:
14For it is just like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted them with his possessions. 15To one he gave five talents,b to another two talents, and to another one talent—each according to his own ability. And he promptly went on his journey.

16The servant who had received the five talents went and put them to work and gained five more. 17Likewise, the one with the two talents gained two more. 18But the servant who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground, and hid his master’s money.

19After a long time, the master of those servants returned to settle accounts with them. 20The servant who had received the five talents came and presented five more. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.’

21His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master!’

22The servant who had received the two talents also came and said, ‘Master, you entrusted me with two talents. See, I have gained two more.’

23His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Enter into the joy of your master!’

24Finally, the servant who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Master, I knew that you are a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25So in my fear, I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what belongs to you.’

26‘You wicked, lazy servant!’ replied his master. ‘You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed. 27Then you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and on my return I would have received it back with interest.

28Therefore take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten talents. 29For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 30And throw that worthless servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Why does the servant with one talent sound a lot like faith alone person?
 
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Like i said, there was no one to explain the six aspects of justification to them that the letter was written to and it seems James wanted to be clear enough on his letter. So he really meant it when he said a man is justified by what he does and not faith alone.
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Then justify yourself. But believe you me, your works will follow you as you live out your daily Christian life, meaning you are already justified, O' ye of little faith.
 
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NO BODY believes in Jesus and DOES NOT OBEY

WOW man.....your level of spiritual ineptitude blows my mind......

SHOW ME ONE that BELIEVES in Jesus and DOES NOT OBEY HIM

See, it was just a lesson that you have to learn and correlate with Jesus' (real deal). They don't have to put every tiny details of it, the tiny details are with us today.
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Then they are Justified.
 
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