Not By Works

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I think between me and you, you are more confused.
The idea behind 'Not by works' is that salvation is not anything we do or will but through grace and mercy of our Lord Jesus. It means once it is done, you can not will it back even if you wanted.

But you are saying, if you want to turn back you can only that you don't have the desire:confused:
We have had a big debate about backsliding. We are warned against it, so obviously it is possible. I have put a number of people on ignore as a result and I might do the same with you, because your ignorance is beginning to try my patience.
 

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I think that I will reach 60 yrs of age (if the Lord does not return beforehand) and this thread will still be going round and round in circles😰😥😭
However, NEW PEOPLE keep Coming in. YES, it gets tiring to answers the SAME OLD Questions OVER and OVER, but it is New People who think there works are part of Salvation. They do not realize OBEDIENCE is Part of LOVE, After we Are Saved. So it just goes ON and On.

WHEN WERE WE SAVED? That is the question that most get it wrong. Here is the TRUTH:

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

And where does the AGAPE LOVE that is IN us, who have been Born Again, actually come from?

Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
5 This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.



I am already 70 years old, do you know when we get to go home ? ? ?

 

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We have had a big debate about backsliding. We are warned against it, so obviously it is possible. I have put a number of people on ignore as a result and I might do the same with you, because your ignorance is beginning to try my patience.
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Putting people on ignore is a bad work.

Do you believe that a person can loose their salvation?
 

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What happens if you don't love? are you still saved if you don't love others?
The love of Jesus fills our heart with love, if you do not have love for others, question yourself. It is not something we can DO.
 

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Putting people on ignore is a bad work.

Do you believe that a person can loose their salvation?
Jesus will be putting millions on 'ignore' on judgement day, don't you forget it.
No a person cannot be robbed of their salvation, they are secure eternally, unless they apostatise.
 

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Jesus will be putting millions on 'ignore' on judgement day, don't you forget it.
No a person cannot be robbed of their salvation, they are secure eternally, unless they apostatise.
Ok, then your belief is that salvation is not purely Lords work because you are saying you have a choice and can decide to be an apostate.
Well, i believe salvation can not be lost because it is the end of a process, but we can loose our faith (backslide).

Good night. Have to go.
 

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103,282+ posts on this thread and no closer to agreement than from post #1.

Titus 3:9
"But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain."

John 17:3
“Now this is eternal life: that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.”

Matthew 11:29
"Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and you will find rest unto your souls."

Very GOOD POST, Auntie.
 

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Ok, then your belief is that salvation is not purely Lords work because you are saying you have a choice and can decide to be an apostate.
Well, i believe salvation can not be lost because it is the end of a process, but we can loose our faith (backslide).

Good night. Have to go.
Only Jesus can save the sinner. We have the choice as to whether we believe and accept His free gift of salvation, or like many unsaved we can refuse to believe in Him. It is their eternal loss.
 

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That's right, justified when they obey the command to love which is a work.

IT IS NOT A WORK WHEN YOU DO IT OUT GODLY LOVE, IT IS NOT A BURDEN, IT SAYS SO!

Ephesians 2:8-9 (HCSB)
8 For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—
9 not from works, so that no one can boast.

Romans 3:20 (HCSB)
20 For no one will be justified in His sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin ⌊comes⌋ through the law.

Titus 3:5-8 (HCSB)
5 He saved usnot by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
8 This saying is trustworthy. I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed God might be careful to devote themselves to good works. These are good and profitable for everyone.

2 John 1:2 (HCSB)
2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us forever.

Ephesians 1:13-14 (HCSB)
13 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him, you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
14 He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.

1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Romans 9:32 (HCSB)
32 Why is that? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone.

Galatians 3:10-11 (HCSB)
10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written: Everyone who does not continue doing everything written in the book of the law is cursed.
11 Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because the righteous will live by faith.

Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.

2 Samuel 23:5 (NCV)
5 “This is how God has cared for my family. God made a lasting agreement with me, right and sure in every way. He will accomplish my salvation and satisfy all my desires.

Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

1 John 3:14 (HCSB)
14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.


I Must Ask: "ARE YOU BORN AGAIN, and HOW DO YOU KNOW IT ? ? ?

1 Corinthians 2:13-14 (NIV)
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 

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If you receive eternal life then you have eternal life and you can not have eternal life if you don't love others.

AND IF THE MOTIVE BEHIND THE DEED IS NOT LOVE, IT IS FILTHY RAGS.

Isaiah 64:6 (NIV)
6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
 

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Putting people on ignore is a bad work.

Do you believe that a person can loose their salvation?

That's ONE.

Because it is OBEDIENCE.


Titus 3:9-11 (HCSB)
9 But avoid foolish debates, genealogies, quarrels, and disputes about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
10 Reject a divisive person after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a person is perverted and sins, being self-condemned.
 
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Actually I do not think the thread goes "round and round in circles" it actually is a single point ..... "Not By Works"

The only people who reason in circles, sadly, are those who object to the single point and cannot understand it.
Trying to prove that one has love (or anything to prove salvation) is works

Again, works can never earn salvation
 
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Being persuaded of truth is not an act of your will.

You cannot "will" yourself to believe, you either believe a truth or you do not, it has nothing to do with will power.

The gospel is not make a decision, the gospel is believe.
Belief is educated guess from known information,

Correct me if I'm wrong, please
 
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We have had a big debate about backsliding. We are warned against it, so obviously it is possible. I have put a number of people on ignore as a result and I might do the same with you, because your ignorance is beginning to try my patience.
We may not agree on eternal security, but for sure we agree with the above bolded sentiment....
 
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Actually I do not think the thread goes "round and round in circles" it actually is a single point ..... "Not By Works"

The only people who reason in circles, sadly, are those who object to the single point and cannot understand it.
Ring Around the Rosie
A pocket full of posies
self-effort, self-effort
Will all fall down
 
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Jesus will be putting millions on 'ignore' on judgement day, don't you forget it.
No a person cannot be robbed of their salvation, they are secure eternally, unless they apostatise.

Agree with everything here except for the bolded and I would change the word MILLIONS to untold BILLIONS or more.......