Noahs ark
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Isnt pretrified wood turn to rock anyway or is it fossilized.
I think what convinces people are the dimensions of the formation why would it be the exact dimensions of the ark. Anyway I guess its up to everyone to make up their own minds, havnet been there myself so cant check and I dont know how to date things am not a scientist. Much if the wood would have been burned or reused or rotted away, so maybe it just the base or keel that remained. However it does say in the Bible that Noah put tar or pitch on the gopher wood.
I dont know how long that would have lasted. But was obviously water tight. Anyway it was not like the titanic, which sank when it hit the iceberg. That was such a disaster. Thank God Noah knew what he was doing and how to build the ark. He didnt need to build extra lifeboats as well it was a lifeboat.
I think what convinces people are the dimensions of the formation why would it be the exact dimensions of the ark. Anyway I guess its up to everyone to make up their own minds, havnet been there myself so cant check and I dont know how to date things am not a scientist. Much if the wood would have been burned or reused or rotted away, so maybe it just the base or keel that remained. However it does say in the Bible that Noah put tar or pitch on the gopher wood.
I dont know how long that would have lasted. But was obviously water tight. Anyway it was not like the titanic, which sank when it hit the iceberg. That was such a disaster. Thank God Noah knew what he was doing and how to build the ark. He didnt need to build extra lifeboats as well it was a lifeboat.
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According to the dimensions given in Gen 6:15, the ark had a flat bottom,
straight sides, a hard chine; and a beam thirty feet wider than its height. A
watercraft with those characteristics would be very difficult to even roll, let
alone capsize; even if it were as buoyant as a piece of cork, which I
seriously doubt the ark was, especially when fully laden.
The ark was big for its day, but compared to modern ships, 450 feet is not
all that impressive. Oil tankers are around 1,500, the Nimitz aircraft carrier
is about 1,092 feet, and Typhoon class submarines are roughly 574 feet.
The distance from home plate to the center field fence in major league
baseball, averages 400 feet or better. So the ark would just about fit into
Yankee stadium. The main playing area of a football field is 300 feet. Add 26
more for the end zones, and the total is 326; which is still 124 feet short of
the ark's length but at least gives some idea of its scale.
They say there are seven wonders of the ancient world, but that is not quite
accurate. There's actually eight if we include Noah's ark. Sure, building a
giant sea-going barn like Noah's would be child's play for a modern shipyard
like Northrop Grumman Newport News; but in his day, it had to be quite a
feat.
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According to the dimensions given in Gen 6:15, the ark had a flat bottom,
straight sides, a hard chine; and a beam thirty feet wider than its height. A
watercraft with those characteristics would be very difficult to even roll, let
alone capsize; even if it were as buoyant as a piece of cork, which I
seriously doubt the ark was, especially when fully laden.
The ark was big for its day, but compared to modern ships, 450 feet is not
all that impressive. Oil tankers are around 1,500, the Nimitz aircraft carrier
is about 1,092 feet, and Typhoon class submarines are roughly 574 feet.
The distance from home plate to the center field fence in major league
baseball, averages 400 feet or better. So the ark would just about fit into
Yankee stadium. The main playing area of a football field is 300 feet. Add 26
more for the end zones, and the total is 326; which is still 124 feet short of
the ark's length but at least gives some idea of its scale.
They say there are seven wonders of the ancient world, but that is not quite
accurate. There's actually eight if we include Noah's ark. Sure, building a
giant sea-going barn like Noah's would be child's play for a modern shipyard
like Northrop Grumman Newport News; but in his day, it had to be quite a
feat.
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What are the seven wonders of the ancient world.
Wouldnt the rainbow be the seventh wonder esp to all the animals and Noahs family whod never seen one before. Containing all seven colours...even today thats whats most impressive and wonderful sight to me.
I dont care how big a ship or building is. Rainbows are amazing.
Wouldnt the rainbow be the seventh wonder esp to all the animals and Noahs family whod never seen one before. Containing all seven colours...even today thats whats most impressive and wonderful sight to me.
I dont care how big a ship or building is. Rainbows are amazing.
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Just think if the massive amounts of water released that it covered tops of mountains. And all that water, how did it recede. I am trying to picture the globe or planet earth at the time. Some people say that after the flood, the earth tilted on its axis, because of all the water displacement. The bulk of it would have become the pacific ocean.
One of the hawaiian islands Mauna Kea is actually a huge mountain if you measure from its base, it is as tall as mount everest.
One of the hawaiian islands Mauna Kea is actually a huge mountain if you measure from its base, it is as tall as mount everest.
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It was vacuumed off and taken back to where it came from to begin with.
● Gen 7:11b . . on this day, all the springs of the great deep were split, and
the windows of the heavens opened up.
The word for "deep" is from tehowm (teh-home') which indicates an abyss
(as a surging mass of water) especially the deep (the main sea or the
subterranean water-supply). Tehowm first shows up in the in Bible at Gen 1:1-2.
The difference is that this deep is the great deep. The word for "great" is
from rab (rab) which means abundant (in quantity, size, age, number, rank,
quality), so that this particular deep could be thought of as bottomless; viz:
an abysmal source of water beyond human imagination.
The atmosphere alone holds about 2,900 cubic miles of water at any given
time; with the balance of Earth's 340 million cubic miles of water stored in
oceans, rivers, lakes, ice caps, glaciers, permafrost, and the ground.
Relatively little ground water is stored in subterranean voids. Most of it is
soaked in tiny pores and cracks in soil and rocks.
Almost all ground water resides within five to ten miles of the surface. Water
below that depth is chemically bound in the rocks and minerals and not
readily accessible; but can be released as a result of geologic processes such
as volcanism. But for the Flood, water above and beyond the earth's
indigenous sources was necessary.
There's an abundance of water out in the void. In an article I found on
the internet dated July 22, 2011; astronomers have discovered the largest
and oldest mass of water ever detected in the universe-- a gigantic cloud
harboring 140 trillion times more water than all of Earth's oceans combined.
Well; I'm pretty sure that's a sufficient quantity of water to inundate the
earth to a depth required by the Flood.
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It was vacuumed off and taken back to where it came from to begin with.
● Gen 7:11b . . on this day, all the springs of the great deep were split, and
the windows of the heavens opened up.
The word for "deep" is from tehowm (teh-home') which indicates an abyss
(as a surging mass of water) especially the deep (the main sea or the
subterranean water-supply). Tehowm first shows up in the in Bible at Gen 1:1-2.
The difference is that this deep is the great deep. The word for "great" is
from rab (rab) which means abundant (in quantity, size, age, number, rank,
quality), so that this particular deep could be thought of as bottomless; viz:
an abysmal source of water beyond human imagination.
The atmosphere alone holds about 2,900 cubic miles of water at any given
time; with the balance of Earth's 340 million cubic miles of water stored in
oceans, rivers, lakes, ice caps, glaciers, permafrost, and the ground.
Relatively little ground water is stored in subterranean voids. Most of it is
soaked in tiny pores and cracks in soil and rocks.
Almost all ground water resides within five to ten miles of the surface. Water
below that depth is chemically bound in the rocks and minerals and not
readily accessible; but can be released as a result of geologic processes such
as volcanism. But for the Flood, water above and beyond the earth's
indigenous sources was necessary.
There's an abundance of water out in the void. In an article I found on
the internet dated July 22, 2011; astronomers have discovered the largest
and oldest mass of water ever detected in the universe-- a gigantic cloud
harboring 140 trillion times more water than all of Earth's oceans combined.
Well; I'm pretty sure that's a sufficient quantity of water to inundate the
earth to a depth required by the Flood.
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Parables the ongoing poetic language of God as signified (using the things seen to view the unseen eternal matters of faith
General public audience. Not according to the scriptures. The spiritual meaning was not designed for the general public .They had no understanding of the parables. Not a accident
Parables where given to everyone that could hear them..the mixed multitude. Believers and non believers. The unseen spiritual understanding the gospel, is hid from them natural unconverted mankind. The prescription for hearing a parable using real time events must be applied...
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
The conversion tool for seeing over the temporal horizon a periscope to the new heavens and earth the eternal
A parable bringing the unseen meaning comparing it bringing the eternal alongside (para) the temporal , in a real time event that gives the unseen understanding of faith, the eternal.
Jesus used parables as a way of giving the apostles hearing. They had no way of understanding the which was deliberately hid from them. The signified language God used as his poetic signature. good news
General public audience. Not according to the scriptures. The spiritual meaning was not designed for the general public .They had no understanding of the parables. Not a accident
Parables where given to everyone that could hear them..the mixed multitude. Believers and non believers. The unseen spiritual understanding the gospel, is hid from them natural unconverted mankind. The prescription for hearing a parable using real time events must be applied...
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
The conversion tool for seeing over the temporal horizon a periscope to the new heavens and earth the eternal
A parable bringing the unseen meaning comparing it bringing the eternal alongside (para) the temporal , in a real time event that gives the unseen understanding of faith, the eternal.
Jesus used parables as a way of giving the apostles hearing. They had no way of understanding the which was deliberately hid from them. The signified language God used as his poetic signature. good news
No, parables are simple stories using familiar objects and activities intended to convey spiritual truth. They aren't poetic language at all.
What is this comment about? Are you responding to the post you quoted or to a different post?
The verse has nothing to do with parables.
No He didn't. Read what Mark 4:10-12 says:
10 As soon as He was alone, His followers, along with the twelve, began asking Him about the parables. 11 And He was saying to them, "To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables, 12 so that WHILE SEEING, THEY MAY SEE AND NOT PERCEIVE, AND WHILE HEARING THEY MAY HEAR AND NOT UNDERSTAND, OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT RETURH AND BE FORGIVEN."
Jesus clearly stated the reason for parables. It could not be more clear, and He said nothing about poetic language... at all.
Jesus had to explain the parables to His disciples, as verses 33 and 34 state, (which I have quoted previously):
33 With many such parables He was speaking the word to them, so far as they were able to hear it; 34 and He did not speak to them without a parable; but He was explaining everything privately to His own disciples.
The "them" and "they" in verse 33 refer to the public, not to the disciples. If Jesus were using parables to give the apostles hearing, then He would not have needed to explain the parables to them privately.
What is this comment about? Are you responding to the post you quoted or to a different post?
The verse has nothing to do with parables.
No He didn't. Read what Mark 4:10-12 says:
10 As soon as He was alone, His followers, along with the twelve, began asking Him about the parables. 11 And He was saying to them, "To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables, 12 so that WHILE SEEING, THEY MAY SEE AND NOT PERCEIVE, AND WHILE HEARING THEY MAY HEAR AND NOT UNDERSTAND, OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT RETURH AND BE FORGIVEN."
Jesus clearly stated the reason for parables. It could not be more clear, and He said nothing about poetic language... at all.
Jesus had to explain the parables to His disciples, as verses 33 and 34 state, (which I have quoted previously):
33 With many such parables He was speaking the word to them, so far as they were able to hear it; 34 and He did not speak to them without a parable; but He was explaining everything privately to His own disciples.
The "them" and "they" in verse 33 refer to the public, not to the disciples. If Jesus were using parables to give the apostles hearing, then He would not have needed to explain the parables to them privately.
It was vacummed off? Where in the Bible does it say that?!
Uh are you sure. The Bible says the water abated or receded, I dont remember it saying it got vacuumed off. It didnt say the water evaporated either.
Receded...means sank down or retreated, it doesnt mean it was vaccumed off. Do you mean it got soaked back in the ground.
Uh are you sure. The Bible says the water abated or receded, I dont remember it saying it got vacuumed off. It didnt say the water evaporated either.
Receded...means sank down or retreated, it doesnt mean it was vaccumed off. Do you mean it got soaked back in the ground.
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FAQ: Did Noah have to take any aquatic life aboard with him?
A: His passengers were limited to those that either lived on land or flew in
the sky. (Gen 7:21-23)
FAQ: Were the waters of the Flood fresh or salt?
A: The sea's saltiness isn't static; it's increasing all the time, and always has.
Which means that if you were to go back in time, the sea was a lot less salty
in Noah's day than it is today; ergo: aquatic life's adjustment to dilution
back in his day would not have been as extreme as aquatic life's adjustment
would be in our day.
FAQ: Is it possible that the great number and variety of living things in our
day didn't exist in Noah's day?
A: Classical evolution per se, is, I believe, a spurious fantasy because it cannot
explain the origin of the mysterious energy that makes living things alive.
But Bible students have to allow for a least a degree of genetic and somatic
adaptations and mutations or the ark won't make any sense at all. It is just
too unreasonable to assume that the incredible variety of life existing in our
world today all existed during Noah's too.
After all, every known variety of Man existing today came from just eight
people. If those eight are responsible for producing all the different kinds of
human beings in our world today, then why couldn't the original creatures
aboard the ark have been the foundation for all the varieties of non human
life?
NOTE: It's sometimes argued that Noah couldn't possibly have carried every
kind of insect aboard his ark; but then, he didn't have to. Noah took aboard
only the species that came to him (Gen 6:20). Those that didn't come, were
wiped out. (Gen 7:21-23)
However insect eggs are pretty tough, and capable of surviving extremes of
weather. In point of fact, quite a few birds depend upon insect eggs for food
to carry them through the winter. The parents of many of those insect eggs
no doubt perished in the Flood, but I have a hunch their species survived by
means of the eggs they left behind.
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FAQ: Did Noah have to take any aquatic life aboard with him?
A: His passengers were limited to those that either lived on land or flew in
the sky. (Gen 7:21-23)
FAQ: Were the waters of the Flood fresh or salt?
A: The sea's saltiness isn't static; it's increasing all the time, and always has.
Which means that if you were to go back in time, the sea was a lot less salty
in Noah's day than it is today; ergo: aquatic life's adjustment to dilution
back in his day would not have been as extreme as aquatic life's adjustment
would be in our day.
FAQ: Is it possible that the great number and variety of living things in our
day didn't exist in Noah's day?
A: Classical evolution per se, is, I believe, a spurious fantasy because it cannot
explain the origin of the mysterious energy that makes living things alive.
But Bible students have to allow for a least a degree of genetic and somatic
adaptations and mutations or the ark won't make any sense at all. It is just
too unreasonable to assume that the incredible variety of life existing in our
world today all existed during Noah's too.
After all, every known variety of Man existing today came from just eight
people. If those eight are responsible for producing all the different kinds of
human beings in our world today, then why couldn't the original creatures
aboard the ark have been the foundation for all the varieties of non human
life?
NOTE: It's sometimes argued that Noah couldn't possibly have carried every
kind of insect aboard his ark; but then, he didn't have to. Noah took aboard
only the species that came to him (Gen 6:20). Those that didn't come, were
wiped out. (Gen 7:21-23)
However insect eggs are pretty tough, and capable of surviving extremes of
weather. In point of fact, quite a few birds depend upon insect eggs for food
to carry them through the winter. The parents of many of those insect eggs
no doubt perished in the Flood, but I have a hunch their species survived by
means of the eggs they left behind.
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The seven ancient wonders are:
Only the Great Pyramid still stands.
- Great Pyramid of Giza, Egypt
- Hanging Gardens of Babylon
- Statue of Zeus at Olympia
- Temple of Artemis at Ephesus
- Mausoleum at Halicarnassus
- Colossus of Rhodes
- Lighthouse of Alexandria
Only the Great Pyramid still stands.
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● Gen 6:21-22 . . For your part, take of everything that is eaten and store it
away, to serve as food for you and for them. Noah did so; just as God
commanded him, so he did.
God didn't specify precisely how much food to load aboard. He only
instructed Noah to store things that are edible; but not their quantity. Nobody
can be sure whether or not Noah knew just how long the Flood was going to
last. If he didn't, then of course he would have no idea how much food he
needed to bring along.
So what about the carnivorous animals that came aboard with Noah-- the
lions and tigers and hawks and eagles and meerkats and alligators and
crocodiles? Well; those kinds of animals can live on vegetation when they
have to. According to Isa 11:6-9 and Isa 65:25, there's a day coming
when the diet of carnivores will be changed to that of herbivores.
Some have proposed that the animals hibernated so they wouldn't have to
be fed very often nor require much room for exercise nor would they
generate much manure to clean up. That's actually a very plausible
explanation. For example: arctic ground squirrels can lower their body
temperature below freezing and avoid serious head injuries while hibernating
for as long seven months. Why the little guys don't freeze to death is a
mystery.
Others have proposed that Noah didn't actually load an entire year's supply
of food aboard the ark. Just a minimum amount that God then miraculously
sustained. That too is a very plausible explanation.
For example: there are incidents in the Bible where small amounts of food
stuffs were miraculously extended. One example is 1Kgs 17:8-16 where a
tiny bit of flour and oil nourished Elijah and a widow woman, and her son,
for a good many days during a time of prolonged drought.
Another incident is at 2Kgs 4:1-7 where a certain widow's husband died and
left her deeply in debt. God extended her last pot of oil sufficiently to sell off
enough to retire her debts, thereby saving her two sons from slavery.
At 1Kgs 19:5-9, when Elijah was running away from that horrible Jezebel, he
was fatigued and napping under a bush when a messenger of God woke him
up to eat a single biscuit and drink some water. Elijah survived on the
nourishment of that measly little snack for the next forty days.
I'm not insisting that God sustained everyone aboard the ark via hibernation
and/or like He did Elijah and the widows. But in the light of nature's
examples, and the Bible's examples, it isn't unreasonable to believe that's
exactly what happened. Many details remain a mystery and apparently God
didn't feel it was important for everybody to know how He and Noah did it.
Well; that's His decision and I respect it; but I still wish Genesis told us
more.
Another logistics problem was feeding everybody when the Flood was over.
What would they eat then? Well, that was no problem. The olive leaf that a
dove had in her beak at Gen 8:10-11 indicates that earth's flora was spared
destruction by the Flood. The Hebrew word for "plucked-off" is from taraph
(taw-rawf') which means: recently torn off; in other words: the dove didn't
pick up an old dead leaf lying around on the ground; no, it was fresh cut and
green right off the tree.
NOTE: It's not unreasonable to believe vegetation survived the Flood. The
prairie grasses that once flourished in America's corn belt was some really
hardy stuff. Prior to the White Man, prairie grass roots grew as deep as four
feet, and sometimes eleven, so that no matter how much or how often the
grass was burned off, it bounced right back.
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● Gen 6:21-22 . . For your part, take of everything that is eaten and store it
away, to serve as food for you and for them. Noah did so; just as God
commanded him, so he did.
God didn't specify precisely how much food to load aboard. He only
instructed Noah to store things that are edible; but not their quantity. Nobody
can be sure whether or not Noah knew just how long the Flood was going to
last. If he didn't, then of course he would have no idea how much food he
needed to bring along.
So what about the carnivorous animals that came aboard with Noah-- the
lions and tigers and hawks and eagles and meerkats and alligators and
crocodiles? Well; those kinds of animals can live on vegetation when they
have to. According to Isa 11:6-9 and Isa 65:25, there's a day coming
when the diet of carnivores will be changed to that of herbivores.
Some have proposed that the animals hibernated so they wouldn't have to
be fed very often nor require much room for exercise nor would they
generate much manure to clean up. That's actually a very plausible
explanation. For example: arctic ground squirrels can lower their body
temperature below freezing and avoid serious head injuries while hibernating
for as long seven months. Why the little guys don't freeze to death is a
mystery.
Others have proposed that Noah didn't actually load an entire year's supply
of food aboard the ark. Just a minimum amount that God then miraculously
sustained. That too is a very plausible explanation.
For example: there are incidents in the Bible where small amounts of food
stuffs were miraculously extended. One example is 1Kgs 17:8-16 where a
tiny bit of flour and oil nourished Elijah and a widow woman, and her son,
for a good many days during a time of prolonged drought.
Another incident is at 2Kgs 4:1-7 where a certain widow's husband died and
left her deeply in debt. God extended her last pot of oil sufficiently to sell off
enough to retire her debts, thereby saving her two sons from slavery.
At 1Kgs 19:5-9, when Elijah was running away from that horrible Jezebel, he
was fatigued and napping under a bush when a messenger of God woke him
up to eat a single biscuit and drink some water. Elijah survived on the
nourishment of that measly little snack for the next forty days.
I'm not insisting that God sustained everyone aboard the ark via hibernation
and/or like He did Elijah and the widows. But in the light of nature's
examples, and the Bible's examples, it isn't unreasonable to believe that's
exactly what happened. Many details remain a mystery and apparently God
didn't feel it was important for everybody to know how He and Noah did it.
Well; that's His decision and I respect it; but I still wish Genesis told us
more.
Another logistics problem was feeding everybody when the Flood was over.
What would they eat then? Well, that was no problem. The olive leaf that a
dove had in her beak at Gen 8:10-11 indicates that earth's flora was spared
destruction by the Flood. The Hebrew word for "plucked-off" is from taraph
(taw-rawf') which means: recently torn off; in other words: the dove didn't
pick up an old dead leaf lying around on the ground; no, it was fresh cut and
green right off the tree.
NOTE: It's not unreasonable to believe vegetation survived the Flood. The
prairie grasses that once flourished in America's corn belt was some really
hardy stuff. Prior to the White Man, prairie grass roots grew as deep as four
feet, and sometimes eleven, so that no matter how much or how often the
grass was burned off, it bounced right back.
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I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife and your sons’ wives with you. You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them.” Genesis 6:18-21
All other flesh of the earth perished in the flood... though I am not sure which part you were disagreeing with
All other flesh of the earth perished in the flood... though I am not sure which part you were disagreeing with
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I think Noah had such a good relationship with the animals almost like an animal whisperer in our time and knew just what they needed and how to talk to them. Remember animals didnt seem to fear humans before the flood as they did after when the whole order of creation seemed to change and humans were permitted to eat ones they killed. I think maybe it was because after the flood growing crops was a bit difficult at first, even the first grapevines noah planted he got drunk on. I dont quite understand that part.
After being cooped up in an ark for 40 days and 40 nights did the animals just all run away or did many stick with Noah?
After being cooped up in an ark for 40 days and 40 nights did the animals just all run away or did many stick with Noah?
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To the first. The grape juice turned to wine because of yeast. Noah probably never knew what would happen. But in Exodus yeast had become symbolic for sin. So that's a partial explanation for unleavened bread in rituals.
It only rained for 40 days ang nights but they stayed in the Ark for about a year. The water had to recede. I'd hate to smell that yacht.
It only rained for 40 days ang nights but they stayed in the Ark for about a year. The water had to recede. I'd hate to smell that yacht.
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That is a great answer Garee, I haven’t look at it that way before, thks for the info.
Yea the raven is a predator that feeds on dead flesh and makes irritating sounds, these are like the wicked that seek no comfort in the protection of an Ark, or the hopeful faith of Noah. The dove is a likable sweet and peaceful bird representing the pure and faithful spirit.
Yea the raven is a predator that feeds on dead flesh and makes irritating sounds, these are like the wicked that seek no comfort in the protection of an Ark, or the hopeful faith of Noah. The dove is a likable sweet and peaceful bird representing the pure and faithful spirit.