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DeighAnn

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THE SHADOW
Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment

THE ARRIVAL
Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be IN DANGER OF HELL FIRE. WHAT ???
Matthew 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee
Matthew 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Matthew 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Matthew 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
 

DeighAnn

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THE SHADOW
Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery

THE ARRIVAL
Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee For it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. WHAT???
Matthew 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

THE SHADOW
Matthew 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement
THE ARRIVAL
Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

THE SHADOW
Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths
THE ARRIVAL
Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Matthew 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
Matthew 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
Matthew 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

THE SHADOW
Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth
THE ARRIVAL
Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Matthew 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
Matthew 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Matthew 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

THE SHADOW
Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
THE ARRIVAL
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Matthew 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Matthew 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
 

lightbearer

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1. I did not imply. I ASKED. (I pray you know the difference) so there you are continuing to make accusations which are not true (you understand that is called bearing false witness do you not?

2. When they continually make claims that people believe something or say things they have never implied or said, that is called bearing false witness, Or lying, or committing slander.

And yes, people who prpmote obedience, yet are disobedient themselves give God a bad name, Don;t you know thats what the jews did? And yes, it tarnished the name of YHWH!! (We have a term for it, Its called being a hypocrite, or do as I say, not as I do)
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Jude 1:9
 

lightbearer

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of course, no surprise here. you pull out the " we are being persecuted because we preach righteousness ".

same old thing, same old talking points. you need to understand you are not the first judeaizer to post here.

call e,g. a hot tempered bully all you want. he is right. you and the other judeaizers are.

and, just as I am with deighann now, if you would actually engage , I would shred your ' theology ". to.

lightbear can vouch for me. I proved him wrong so many times, he won't even interact with me.
I don't interact with you much for many reasons but mainly because of your ill manner. As a matter of fact I been using the internet to share for approx. 12 years or so now and never stuck anyone on ignore but one person, you.
Just recently took you off for some reason.
 

lightbearer

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Hello there SimpleGardener thank you for your greeting and your perseverance here. I pray that the Lord God of Heaven and be with you like He has never been before. That you can't but help do those things through him that is pleasing in His sight. I pray His Spirit fall on us all like this that we may all stand in His righteousness that the world may believe.
Greetings lightbearer,

Glad to see you back. Thank you for your love of truth and justice. It is sad that so many here cannot see themselves and their behavior. I have been trying to avoid their attitudes reference my pasture comment.

Sadly, many of these rise to the level of persecution. Gods people are not persecutors, but we were given many comforting words for when we are;


Mat 5:10-11 NIV Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (11) "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.


Isn't it strange and sadly interesting how the persecution is usually around "righteousness"

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δικαιοσύνη
dikaiosunē
Thayer Definition:
1) in a broad sense: state of him who is as he ought to be, righteousness, the condition acceptable to God
1a) the doctrine concerning the way in which man may attain a state approved of God
1b) integrity, virtue, purity of life, rightness, correctness of thinking feeling, and acting
2) in a narrower sense, justice or the virtue which gives each his due
Part of Speech: noun feminine

So the verse above Mat 5:10 would read:
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of the doctrine concerning the way in which man may attain a state approved of God, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Thank you fro bringing my attention to this. I have Thayer's work in My library praise God. Do you have access to Vines compilation? He states this on the word:
<1,,1343,dikaiosune>
is "the character or quality of being right or just;" it was formerly spelled "rightwiseness," which clearly expresses the meaning. It is used to denote an attribute of God, e.g., Rom 3:5, the context of which shows that "the righteousness of God" means essentially the same as His faithfulness, or truthfulness, that which is consistent with His own nature and promises; Rom 3:25-26 speaks of His "righteousness" as exhibited in the Death of Christ, which is sufficient to show men that God is neither indifferent to sin nor regards it lightly. On the contrary, it demonstrates that quality of holiness in Him which must find expression in His condemnation of sin.

Rightwiseness, I like that!

Jesus said in Luke 18:19, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. And later in John 14:10 He says, "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

And then He continues and says,
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
(John 14:11,12,,16-18)

Even further, He says,
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
(Joh 15:3-5 KJV)

And then the culmination in respect to this in His prayer,
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
(Joh 17:20-23 KJV)

True Rightwiseness, Christ in us the hope of Glory that the world may believe that You Father God Has sent your Son and Loved us as You have Loved Him! For it is You that works in us both to will and do Your Good pleasure.



You are a precious brother, and our Redeemer has given you His love for Justice and for what is true! How amazing is that!?
Thank you, Amen and likewise!

God is Love and as He is so are we in this world! The Lord is gracious to us all! For HE has said, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Heb 8:10; Rom 10:8)
 

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I don't interact with you much for many reasons but mainly because of your ill manner. As a matter of fact I been using the internet to share for approx. 12 years or so now and never stuck anyone on ignore but one person, you.
Just recently took you off for some reason.
you put me on ignore because I kept asking you if keeping the jewish Sabbath was required for Christ followers, or was it a freedom of choice .


you never answered. so, there is that.
 

FollowHisSteps

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You did it again by implying I have a quilt complex. To couple that you out right call deighann and simplegardaner liars, and slanderers that give God and His children a bad name.
EG is just a provoker of others.
You can tell this because the provocations have no real answer they are just rude exaggerations designed
to get a response and show the individual how evil and angry they are.

How many times has anyone gone up to another individual in a house group and said they are liars and
slanderers? It is equivalent to declaring a personal war between people.

Because the physical and social impacts do not exist here, they believe they can say these things because
there is no comeback, or consequences. In a house group setting, the individuals could not meet together
and probably would no longer say anything between them.

It takes sometime to realise how dysfunctional some are not to realise this basic truth of communication
with feeling and care, one to one, especially in a christian context. God bless you .
 
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Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Jude 1:9
Blah Blah Blah Blah blah.

Thats all I hear from you.

Your another one

I do not know what light you think you are bearing, But it is not from God. Either way. So be it. Good day sir..
 
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eternally-gratefull

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you put me on ignore because I kept asking you if keeping the jewish Sabbath was required for Christ followers, or was it a freedom of choice .


you never answered. so, there is that.
They never answer then they get mad.

It is getting old.. then again, they expose their true self when they do that stuff.. They make it easy because how can one look at them and show any respect. UNLESS they believe as they do?
 
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THE SHADOW
Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery

THE ARRIVAL
Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee For it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. WHAT???
Matthew 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

THE SHADOW
Matthew 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement
THE ARRIVAL
Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

THE SHADOW
Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths
THE ARRIVAL
Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
Matthew 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
Matthew 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
Matthew 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

THE SHADOW
Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth
THE ARRIVAL
Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Matthew 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
Matthew 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Matthew 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

THE SHADOW
Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
THE ARRIVAL
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Matthew 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Matthew 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Thank you. You just shows the truth about the law

The law CAN NOT MAKE US RIGHTEOUS MORALLY GOOD PEOPLE. Because it was NOT GIVEN FOR THAT REASON.

As jesus showed. The law (letter) says this, but it does not show all the possible ways we can break that law.
 

DeighAnn

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Hello there SimpleGardener thank you for your greeting and your perseverance here. I pray that the Lord God of Heaven and be with you like He has never been before. That you can't but help do those things through him that is pleasing in His sight. I pray His Spirit fall on us all like this that we may all stand in His righteousness that the world may believe. Thank you fro bringing my attention to this. I have Thayer's work in My library praise God. Do you have access to Vines compilation? He states this on the word:
<1,,1343,dikaiosune>
is "the character or quality of being right or just;" it was formerly spelled "rightwiseness," which clearly expresses the meaning. It is used to denote an attribute of God, e.g., Rom 3:5, the context of which shows that "the righteousness of God" means essentially the same as His faithfulness, or truthfulness, that which is consistent with His own nature and promises; Rom 3:25-26 speaks of His "righteousness" as exhibited in the Death of Christ, which is sufficient to show men that God is neither indifferent to sin nor regards it lightly. On the contrary, it demonstrates that quality of holiness in Him which must find expression in His condemnation of sin.

Rightwiseness, I like that!

Jesus said in Luke 18:19, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. And later in John 14:10 He says, "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

And then He continues and says,
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
(John 14:11,12,,16-18)

Even further, He says,
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
(Joh 15:3-5 KJV)

And then the culmination in respect to this in His prayer,
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
(Joh 17:20-23 KJV)

True Rightwiseness, Christ in us the hope of Glory that the world may believe that You Father God Has sent your Son and Loved us as You have Loved Him! For it is You that works in us both to will and do Your Good pleasure.



Thank you, Amen and likewise!

God is Love and as He is so are we in this world! The Lord is gracious to us all! For HE has said, For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Heb 8:10; Rom 10:8)
Powerful and beautiful. I love reading posts that take a long time to get through because there is lots to "chew" on. I read this in slow motion, a couple times. Great way to start my morning and I just wanted to thank you. SG has a great effect on me too!! When I read the bible on my own it feels like God talking to me. When I read the same words written, like here in this post, the feelings of it change, and I see it in someone else and Ienjoy it like it is new once again. You just can't help but to just love the WORD.
 

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Blah Blah Blah Blah blah.
Thats all I hear from you.
Your another one
I do not know what light you think you are bearing, But it is not from God. Either way. So be it. Good day sir..
I was thinking how would this language look like in a setting.
A person strapped to a chair, being interrogated, and the interrogator demanding a response.

But the setting is a free lobby, with people coming freely to exchange ideas and encourage each
other to explore and develop their knowledge and life in Jesus.
It might suggest possibly some have an arrogance of power in their sharing, as if there is some hold
over the audience, and this is not a completely open free exchange.

What is going on in this persons mind to speak like this?
And to declare they know the persons sharing has no reflection of the Creator or His work?

We are all Gods creation, and thereby deserve the respect all people deserve.
And very often the strangers we are sharing with are much more highly talented and qualified than we are,
which is why we should be more cautious and careful, and listen more closely to things that are shared.
 

FollowHisSteps

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They never answer then they get mad.
It is getting old.. then again, they expose their true self when they do that stuff.. They make it easy because how can one look at them and show any respect. UNLESS they believe as they do?
I was wondering what a jelly fish is like. It has tendrils that float in the water, waiting to bump into
people. When touched poison in injected and the object drawn closer for more poison to be injected.
Once a weak spot is identified, it is hammered home, constantly, like a weakness to destroy the victim.

It is clear that possibly just chopping off the tendril is the only solution and not responding, as the
intention is not sharing or engagement, just provocation and harm.

How many jelly fish like this can cause chaos and set a wrong tone? 2 or 3 maybe.
Biology might teach us more than we realise about the behaviour of some. God bless you
 

DeighAnn

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I was thinking how would this language look like in a setting.
A person strapped to a chair, being interrogated, and the interrogator demanding a response.

But the setting is a free lobby, with people coming freely to exchange ideas and encourage each
other to explore and develop their knowledge and life in Jesus.
It might suggest possibly some have an arrogance of power in their sharing, as if there is some hold
over the audience, and this is not a completely open free exchange.

What is going on in this persons mind to speak like this?
And to declare they know the persons sharing has no reflection of the Creator or His work?

We are all Gods creation, and thereby deserve the respect all people deserve.
And very often the strangers we are sharing with are much more highly talented and qualified than we are,
which is why we should be more cautious and careful, and listen more closely to things that are shared.
That is why the wisdom of the Word opens our eyes to discern the truth. If there is someone contentious or vexing your spirit, know they will not leave you alone. There are a few place that say sometimes walk away. Don't let anyone close off the good and calming words of the spirit, with the words of the world. That is the beauty of this. You make the choices of who stirs your spirit.
I know many times your posts have just brought me peace. I love and look forward to them. and thank you for sharing all the goodness you do.
 
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EG is just a provoker of others.
You can tell this because the provocations have no real answer they are just rude exaggerations designed
to get a response and show the individual how evil and angry they are.

How many times has anyone gone up to another individual in a house group and said they are liars and
slanderers? It is equivalent to declaring a personal war between people.

Because the physical and social impacts do not exist here, they believe they can say these things because
there is no comeback, or consequences. In a house group setting, the individuals could not meet together
and probably would no longer say anything between them.

It takes sometime to realise how dysfunctional some are not to realise this basic truth of communication
with feeling and care, one to one, especially in a christian context. God bless you .

Greetings FHS,

You bring up some very pertinent points!

Sadly, in the faceless nature of these forums we do not know for certain who we are speaking with. If I were to guess, based on the immaturity of attitude, I would say some of these may be juvenile children whose parents are not paying close enough attention to what they are doing online. They are not our children, so it is not our place to discipline them. No matter how much they declare their age or how many pictures they send, we have only their juvenile behavior to base our estimations. I am going with juvenile. Even if they are adult physically they do not belong with the adults in their conversations, as mentally and spiritually they are juvenile.

I do not mean to cast a dim light on most juveniles though. They are young and growing into adulthood. It may seem hard to speak this way, but there is an expectation of keeping with good taste and propriety in conversations, especially those regarding righteousness. Even if someone was raised by wolves, after coming to Christ we all know there is a blessing of conviction of those things we once did not consider, but now must.

If we ask ourselves the qualifications of; "2 or 3 gathered together in My Name" It is immediately obvious to our new understanding that a belligerent juvenile would not count towards that effort. So, in the interest of blessed fellowship that element must be "left out".

I also completly agree with your observation that these juvenile attitudes would sort themselves out right away in person to person settings. They would likely not dare to show in the first place as life has a way of "revealing" where we stand or fall amongst sincere beleivers. Sincere beleivers who are wise enough not to fall for the "tolerance doctrine" the adversary has manipulated so many good people to relent under. No, in a home setting the "old rules" of "decorum" or "not putting up with juvenile behavior" rule and are swiftly enforced!

I have visited other threads where the "juveniles" reign supreme! It is their backyard clubhouse and you better not go "Mature Christian" in there or they will turn and rend you to pieces. We need to wake up to the realities of whose who and whats what so that we may pray aright.

Bless YHWH! Know and Keep
 

DeighAnn

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I was wondering what a jelly fish is like. It has tendrils that float in the water, waiting to bump into
people. When touched poison in injected and the object drawn closer for more poison to be injected.
Once a weak spot is identified, it is hammered home, constantly, like a weakness to destroy the victim.

It is clear that possibly just chopping off the tendril is the only solution and not responding, as the
intention is not sharing or engagement, just provocation and harm.

How many jelly fish like this can cause chaos and set a wrong tone? 2 or 3 maybe.
Biology might teach us more than we realise about the behaviour of some. God bless you
Some days we engage, some days we walk away. God told us how it would be. Should we expect different. Remember some are blinded for EVERYONEs benefit. Who are we to say what is going on with whom. Teach Gods Words and ways is the best we can do.
 
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Powerful and beautiful. I love reading posts that take a long time to get through because there is lots to "chew" on. I read this in slow motion, a couple times. Great way to start my morning and I just wanted to thank you. SG has a great effect on me too!! When I read the bible on my own it feels like God talking to me. When I read the same words written, like here in this post, the feelings of it change, and I see it in someone else and Ienjoy it like it is new once again. You just can't help but to just love the WORD.

Nice words/sentiments DeighAnn,

Your tagline is a sobering one!

SG
 

NayborBear

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Wow! Yeah, that hits it pretty squarely on the head



Excellent verse passage choice!

Well, yes, on the one hand there is the loss of the deceived and on the other there is the loss of those they deceive, but not to be too humanistic about it I consider them an offense against the Most High and His order!
Well? It's because they, like the most of Israel, back in the days of their "rebelliousness/apostasy" have been made victim of this same delusion! IOW? Reaping that which they have sown.
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Psalm 28
3 Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but *mischief is in their hearts.

*Mischief, in this particular passage could have several sinister meanings. All of them ultimately culminating to a word we use today which sounds EXACTLY the same. PIECE! Coeenky dink? I don't think so.

When this happens within a/the believer? And, yes, I agree that the ones culpable, are not only an OFFENSE to to the Most High? They are still "in league" with the serpent, who is trying in the establishing his throne ABOVE the Most High!
But, when this happens within a/the believer? That "peace?" Is not the believers peace, any longer. Like the spiritual war all believers wage, or are suppose to wage? It has "become a statistic!" A casualty of war!
Revelation 3
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

As we can see in some of these postings? Shame very quickly turns into anger, when it is exposed.

The remedy? Simple! Not easy though!
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

THIS? Is impossible when "casualties of war" are no longer able, or have been defeated to the point that they no longer see God. ONLY Christ can they see! In their eyes? Christ IS the Most High!
Hopefully? Christ will know them, "In that day."
But, as is written? There'll be many Christ will not!

(some more "dots", that need connecting)
Genesis 6
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men (BRIDE OF CHRIST, also fits within these parameters) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
1 Corinthians 2
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.