Jesus is God and Jesus told us Judas' fate, which excluded repentance. Why people are confused about this rather puzzles me
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so your confused about people being puzzled about whether Judas was repentant. No one save GOD can know Judas' heart, what he felt or why he did what he did. We can all speculate until the end of time going to this scripture and that scripture... but in the end as with all only GOD knows.
This is false.....if we cannot take what the inspired word of GOD has to say about anything or anyone then we might as well set the bibles next to the toilet for when we run out of paper.....and if anything, to reject the word in favor of your stance is the epitome of speculation, assumption and supposition as opposed to standing in and on the truth
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Always a pleasure dcontroversal your thoughts are always appreciated, I would never reject Jesus teachings in any way, shape or form that would go against everything I live for and believe in. If I in any way implied that anyone should ever reject Jesus teachings that was not my intent nor is that what I have ever felt. Jesus is and was the Living WORD of GOD.
LOVE is the answer
LOVE is the answer
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Some people are born "without the ability to love'. It doesn't make them a Judas or less saved than the next person. The work of the Spirit is not limited to our understanding of an individual and it really ticks me off when people limit what God can and can't do. I feel a little angry with your statement so usually that means there's something more to what I'm feeling. I am going to trust that you are a true follower of Christ so I'll open up to you. I think there's this thing with a WOMAN wanting to be independent that for some reason is not acceptable to the christian community...for some reason. I've been feeling the blunt of it lately and I don't stand for that. Nowhere in the Bible does it state that a woman HAS to get married and settle down. Paul himself even thinks its better to be single (if you are not living a life of sin because of it). That isn't to say that marriage is wrong because it isn't. A marriage between a man and a woman is a beautiful holy thing, however it isn't something forced or required. I hate how idolized relationships are becoming. Are we seeking companionship and comfort through a created being who may or may not even be connected to our savior? Or are we seeking companionship with the creator of the world? Being a woman and wanting to be independent does not make me "wanting to rule the world, not submitting to Christ, Judas, etc."
Also I agree with you, there are those seeking to exalt themselves, and there are those seeking to exalt Christ. The problem happens when you don't know which category you fall into.
Also I agree with you, there are those seeking to exalt themselves, and there are those seeking to exalt Christ. The problem happens when you don't know which category you fall into.
If I've misinterpretted you I apologize that was not my intent.
I think I have said what the Holy Spirit has shown me but to clarify. GOD cannot abide with sin, that is how Satan was able to begin this whole mess in the first place he brought sin to mankind and separated us from GOD.
Genesis 6:3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in[a] man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.”
GOD said to Satan ESV
Eekiel 28:
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
every precious stone was your covering,
sardius, topaz, and diamond,
beryl, onyx, and jasper,
sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle;
and crafted in gold were your settings
and your engravings.
On the day that you were created
they were prepared.
14 You were an anointed guardian cherub.
I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God;
in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created,
till unrighteousness was found in you.
Satan declared unto GOD that his fall was not his blame and that he was made guardian because there was none better in Heaven and that nothing that GOD had created could live among man and follow GOD's Laws (this is why Satan was allowed into Heaven to accuse his brothers before Christ's death and sacrifice as shown in the book of Job). After Christ sacrifice he was removed from Heaven thrown to earth and knew Jesus could open the scroll and end his reign.
Because GOD is omnipotent he knew this would occur, the scroll was written and GOD's plan for mankinds salvation was put into place.
Jesus GOD's "creation" and Son and was born human so that he could prove "a creation of GOD" could live among mankind and not sin, so because Christ died sin free and perfect his blood was the ransom paid to cleanse us from Satan sin so we could return to our Creator again.
Jesus could not be GOD, he must be a creation of GOD or Jesus life would never have been a test. GOD could never sin and even Satan knows this.
Question: do you think Satan would have ever even attempted to tempt GOD Almighty to sin in the wilderness. Even Satan knows GOD cannot sin. This is just what the Holy Spirit has shown to me, and I share this with you telling you that my words are filtered through my lifes experiences and tainted with my humanity. it is not meant to say you are wrong only that GOD has shown me something different than you. LOVE is the answer
I think I have said what the Holy Spirit has shown me but to clarify. GOD cannot abide with sin, that is how Satan was able to begin this whole mess in the first place he brought sin to mankind and separated us from GOD.
Genesis 6:3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in[a] man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.”
GOD said to Satan ESV
Eekiel 28:
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
every precious stone was your covering,
sardius, topaz, and diamond,
beryl, onyx, and jasper,
sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle;
and crafted in gold were your settings
and your engravings.
On the day that you were created
they were prepared.
14 You were an anointed guardian cherub.
I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God;
in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created,
till unrighteousness was found in you.
Satan declared unto GOD that his fall was not his blame and that he was made guardian because there was none better in Heaven and that nothing that GOD had created could live among man and follow GOD's Laws (this is why Satan was allowed into Heaven to accuse his brothers before Christ's death and sacrifice as shown in the book of Job). After Christ sacrifice he was removed from Heaven thrown to earth and knew Jesus could open the scroll and end his reign.
Because GOD is omnipotent he knew this would occur, the scroll was written and GOD's plan for mankinds salvation was put into place.
Jesus GOD's "creation" and Son and was born human so that he could prove "a creation of GOD" could live among mankind and not sin, so because Christ died sin free and perfect his blood was the ransom paid to cleanse us from Satan sin so we could return to our Creator again.
Jesus could not be GOD, he must be a creation of GOD or Jesus life would never have been a test. GOD could never sin and even Satan knows this.
Question: do you think Satan would have ever even attempted to tempt GOD Almighty to sin in the wilderness. Even Satan knows GOD cannot sin. This is just what the Holy Spirit has shown to me, and I share this with you telling you that my words are filtered through my lifes experiences and tainted with my humanity. it is not meant to say you are wrong only that GOD has shown me something different than you. LOVE is the answer
I am also a woman which in and of itself comes with some sad scriptural representatives. I have been blessed by GOD to have been given a husband that is not only kind, loving and patient, but also my helpmate works away from home; this has allowed me the luxury of time alone for scriptural study, prayer and fellowship with my Father and his Son.
If I had been born like John the Baptist with the Holy Spirit of GOD within me for my whole life; I would assume I would be like I am now with The Holy Spirit guiding me and teaching me to see Jesus the Christ as the only human example of a perfection. I believe that Jesus example is for mankind and every person should follow it. So on that note Jesus never married and I feel that his choice is an example of his perfection. Marriage and children have a tendency to keep our hearts and bodies focused on matters within this world. Jesus however dedicate his life in it's entirety to GOD and GOD's will. LOVE GOD's will be done on earth as it is in Heaven
If I had been born like John the Baptist with the Holy Spirit of GOD within me for my whole life; I would assume I would be like I am now with The Holy Spirit guiding me and teaching me to see Jesus the Christ as the only human example of a perfection. I believe that Jesus example is for mankind and every person should follow it. So on that note Jesus never married and I feel that his choice is an example of his perfection. Marriage and children have a tendency to keep our hearts and bodies focused on matters within this world. Jesus however dedicate his life in it's entirety to GOD and GOD's will. LOVE GOD's will be done on earth as it is in Heaven
So that brings us around to my first question between free will and fate. Is our salvation dependant on GOD's choices or our own? If it was Judas' "destiny" to be evil and GOD made him belonging to Satan's path how can Judas be punished for choices that were not within his control? ......
"My thoughts" are that our ability of freedom of choice allows us to sin and follow Satan's temptations. When we choose to sin this grants Satan more access to bring about continued and increasing in sin.
In the case of Judas scripture tells us that Judas continued in his sin even though he was in the presence of the Holy Spirit of GOD by stealing from the money box. (The other disciples sinned of course, but they did not continue in sin) Judas lied to Jesus concerning his heart and motives when he was upset with Mary for annointing Christ.
Judas' choice to continue in a life of sin after being in the presence of the Holy Spirit, and paying no mind to the Holy Spirit's council Jesus himself told Judas verbally that what he was to do would damn him and Judas paid Jesus (Holy Spirit's) warnings no mind.
Belonging to GOD is never our choice; we do not choose to belong to GOD. We are his creation made in his image and all who live or have ever lived have the breath of GOD and belong to GOD.... Our only choice in this world is do we want to leave GOD for Satan's temptations. I believe GOD wishes all men could be saved and he calls and intervenes and desires all of us return to him. LOVE is the answer
"My thoughts" are that our ability of freedom of choice allows us to sin and follow Satan's temptations. When we choose to sin this grants Satan more access to bring about continued and increasing in sin.
In the case of Judas scripture tells us that Judas continued in his sin even though he was in the presence of the Holy Spirit of GOD by stealing from the money box. (The other disciples sinned of course, but they did not continue in sin) Judas lied to Jesus concerning his heart and motives when he was upset with Mary for annointing Christ.
Judas' choice to continue in a life of sin after being in the presence of the Holy Spirit, and paying no mind to the Holy Spirit's council Jesus himself told Judas verbally that what he was to do would damn him and Judas paid Jesus (Holy Spirit's) warnings no mind.
Belonging to GOD is never our choice; we do not choose to belong to GOD. We are his creation made in his image and all who live or have ever lived have the breath of GOD and belong to GOD.... Our only choice in this world is do we want to leave GOD for Satan's temptations. I believe GOD wishes all men could be saved and he calls and intervenes and desires all of us return to him. LOVE is the answer
Good morning Sipsey, Love in Our Lord Jesus the Christ always. Thank-you for allowing me to share with you what the Holy Spirit has shown to me.
For you to say to me that they are "unscriptural" and I am bound for a "loss of blessings in this life and the next" reminds me of something the religious leaders might have said to Jesus during his ministry. So I am by no means offended Love is the answer to all questions.
Please if you have found a timeline for Satan other than the one the Holy Spirit has shown to me, I would be grateful if you would share what the Holy Spirit has shown you. LOVE
For you to say to me that they are "unscriptural" and I am bound for a "loss of blessings in this life and the next" reminds me of something the religious leaders might have said to Jesus during his ministry. So I am by no means offended Love is the answer to all questions.
Please if you have found a timeline for Satan other than the one the Holy Spirit has shown to me, I would be grateful if you would share what the Holy Spirit has shown you. LOVE
It is dependent on God supplying the Atonement and we accepting the Atonement..
God is not confined by His creation.. This universe has it's own Time and we exist and live our lives alone the time line of this universe.. God who created this universe is Not confined by it's time line.. God knows the beginning and the end.. He can see all our times from His eternal vantage point.. So from Gods perspective He has been able to see what everyone will do in History from the very starting point of History.. That's why God can and did foreknow us from the foundation of creation and from that foreknowledge He knew at the time of creation that we would live and how we would respond to His will.. So he could and did predestine those whom would be conformed to the image of Jesus..
God foreknew what choices Judas would make and therefore chose to use Judas to fulfill His purpose.. Just as God foreknew how the Pharaoh of the time of the Exodus would react and used Him to make all the wondrous signs happen that would make it clear to all that it was God freeing the Hebrews from Egypt.. Not Moses..
God does not wish for anyone to be damned.. But many will be damned because God cannot be corrupt in forgiving people.. He must do it in a justified Way.. The Way includes the necessity of us giving our own personal free willed response to His offer.. We must agree with the will of God and by doing that we will know we are sinners destined for the wrathful judgement of God and that will see us accept the loving gift of salvation by trusting in the Atonement of our LORD Jesus Christ..
God is not confined by His creation.. This universe has it's own Time and we exist and live our lives alone the time line of this universe.. God who created this universe is Not confined by it's time line.. God knows the beginning and the end.. He can see all our times from His eternal vantage point.. So from Gods perspective He has been able to see what everyone will do in History from the very starting point of History.. That's why God can and did foreknow us from the foundation of creation and from that foreknowledge He knew at the time of creation that we would live and how we would respond to His will.. So he could and did predestine those whom would be conformed to the image of Jesus..
God foreknew what choices Judas would make and therefore chose to use Judas to fulfill His purpose.. Just as God foreknew how the Pharaoh of the time of the Exodus would react and used Him to make all the wondrous signs happen that would make it clear to all that it was God freeing the Hebrews from Egypt.. Not Moses..
God does not wish for anyone to be damned.. But many will be damned because God cannot be corrupt in forgiving people.. He must do it in a justified Way.. The Way includes the necessity of us giving our own personal free willed response to His offer.. We must agree with the will of God and by doing that we will know we are sinners destined for the wrathful judgement of God and that will see us accept the loving gift of salvation by trusting in the Atonement of our LORD Jesus Christ..
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Scripture says what happened to him.
Matthew 26:24-25 For I must die just as was prophesied, but woe to the man by whom I am betrayed. Far better for that one if he had never been born.” Judas, too, had asked him, “Rabbi, am I the one?” And Jesus had told him, “Yes.”
John 17:11-12 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.”
Acts 1:25 NASB
Matthew 26:24-25 For I must die just as was prophesied, but woe to the man by whom I am betrayed. Far better for that one if he had never been born.” Judas, too, had asked him, “Rabbi, am I the one?” And Jesus had told him, “Yes.”
John 17:11-12 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.”
Acts 1:25 NASB
May I point out to you that the underlying Greek term for “friend” in this verse you quote is one of several words translated as “friend” but each having very different meanings.
There are times that looking closely at the original languages can shed light and clarity and I believe in this instance it surely does.
Notice the word translated in Matt. 26:50 - And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.
Friend - ἑται̃ρος- hetaíros; gen. hetaírou, masc. noun. Some lexicographers suggest that it is derived from éthos (1485), custom, manner, and possibly what would have been hétairos, a customary companion.
Aphrodite was known as the goddess of the hetaírai, and her temple was on Acrocorinth. It is from the known meaning of the fem. word that we can get an idea of the masc. word as a male companion who is neither one's very own by legally accepted ties nor one who is a prostitute and belongs to anybody and everybody.
The Class. Gr. occurrences of the masc. hetaíros refer to comrades or companions who were mostly followers of a chief. They were not necessarily companions for the sake of helping the chief, but for getting whatever advantage they could. They were partners at meals or messmates. The pupils or disciples were usually called the hetaíroi of their masters, such as those of Socrates. Political partisans were also called hetaíroi. It was rarely used of lovers.
The verb hetairéō (n.f.) basically means to keep company with or to establish and maintain a meretricious, pretentious, ostentatious, deceptive, and misleading friendship. True friendship is expressed by the verb philéō (5368), to befriend which means to appropriate another person's interests unselfishly. The noun is phílos (5384), friend, and the quality that brings two people together to share common interests is philía (5373), friendship.
There are times that looking closely at the original languages can shed light and clarity and I believe in this instance it surely does.
Notice the word translated in Matt. 26:50 - And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.
Friend - ἑται̃ρος- hetaíros; gen. hetaírou, masc. noun. Some lexicographers suggest that it is derived from éthos (1485), custom, manner, and possibly what would have been hétairos, a customary companion.
Aphrodite was known as the goddess of the hetaírai, and her temple was on Acrocorinth. It is from the known meaning of the fem. word that we can get an idea of the masc. word as a male companion who is neither one's very own by legally accepted ties nor one who is a prostitute and belongs to anybody and everybody.
The Class. Gr. occurrences of the masc. hetaíros refer to comrades or companions who were mostly followers of a chief. They were not necessarily companions for the sake of helping the chief, but for getting whatever advantage they could. They were partners at meals or messmates. The pupils or disciples were usually called the hetaíroi of their masters, such as those of Socrates. Political partisans were also called hetaíroi. It was rarely used of lovers.
The verb hetairéō (n.f.) basically means to keep company with or to establish and maintain a meretricious, pretentious, ostentatious, deceptive, and misleading friendship. True friendship is expressed by the verb philéō (5368), to befriend which means to appropriate another person's interests unselfishly. The noun is phílos (5384), friend, and the quality that brings two people together to share common interests is philía (5373), friendship.