Jesus say: to be save you have to do good

[crossnote]

Jesus pay all my sin if I repent, and if I am keep stealing, Holy Spirit in me will remind me not to and repent, and if I ignore then this is what happen

How could you have repented 2000 years ago? When Jesus died on the cross, He died for ALL your sins. Past, Present and Future. You have either embraced that Sacrifice or you are still trying to atone for your sin.
If you keep stealing, it is because the Life of Christ doesn't abide in you.

1 John 1:6 (KJV) If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

 

[Jackson123]

How could you have repented 2000 years ago? When Jesus died on the cross, He died for ALL your sins. Past, Present and Future. You have either embraced that Sacrifice or you are still trying to atone for your sin.
If you keep stealing, it is because the Life of Christ doesn't abide in you.

1 John 1:6 (KJV) If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

I do not need to repent 2000 years ago, but I have to repent every time I sin.

For example, if I steal, I have to stop stealing than ask Jesus forgiveness.

I think this is you believe.
Jesus die on the cross for all your sin, so keep stealing after accepting Jesus not ok, but not make you go to hell. Once a years murder is not ok but you still go to heaven only no reward.

Your believe system not agree with Bible

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Nehemiah6]

For example, if I steal, I have to stop stealing than ask Jesus forgiveness.

Well a genuine convert would have QUIT STEALING the day he was converted. He would not need to ask for forgiveness later on. Zacchaeus quit stealing and never went back as far as we know.

I think this is you believe.
Jesus die on the cross for all your sin, so keep stealing after accepting Jesus not ok, but not make you go to hell. Once a years murder is not ok but you still go to heaven only no reward.

You like to make things up and suggest that this is what Christians believe. But it is PURE NONSENSE. No true Christian believes such nonsense.

 

[Jackson123]

Well a genuine convert would have QUIT STEALING the day he was converted. He would not need to ask for forgiveness later on. Zacchaeus quit stealing and never went back as far as we know.

You like to make things up and suggest that this is what Christians believe. But it is PURE NONSENSE. No true Christian believes such nonsense.

Do you believe after born again you never commit sin anymore?

If you read brother crossnot say, seem to me he believe Jesus pay all the sin in the past and future, no need to repent

 

[fredoheaven]

I think we still sin after born again, all we need is keep repent

Repent means a change of mind, if you keep repeating it then change mind again seems to me one is not truly saved, born again by the Spirit of God. It further implies there's no really a fruit of the Spirit and his profession of faith is questionable. We are not born again to deliberately to make sin. I am not saying though we will not commit sin but if one sin then he confesses them to God and God is righteous enough to forgive us.

1 John 1:9 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Do you believe after born again you never commit sin anymore? If you read brother crossnote say, seem to me he believe Jesus pay all the sin in the past and future, no need to repent

So let's review what the Bible teaches.

1. The New Birth makes a person a new creature in Christ. All past sins are forgiven.
And his desire then is to stop sinning and to do what is righteous.

2. The New Birth does not guarantee sinless perfection, since the old nature is not eradicated (removed completely).

3. For those who have received the Holy Spirit, the sin nature cannot (and must not) dominate the Christian. Therefore true Christians will obey God and Christ.

4. But Christians can and do sin (sins of omission or commission) and must therefore repent and confess their sins. This does not mean that they are not saved.

 

[fredoheaven]

My brother, lucifer was the angel of the Lord, when he broke the rule God let him go. Adam and Eve was in the Garden, when they not obey, God ask them to go. In my country, happen, my neighbor was big Muslim imam, when he come to my town, ten of thousand people attend the meting. Now he is Christian preacher, his wife almost kill him with sister he run and save.

God told us, stealing not inherit the kingdom. And you believe only if the thrift non believer, but for believer stealing go to heaven. I do not share that believe. The verse say stealing not go to heaven, I believe that verse aplicable for every body.

Can you imagine if God lower standard for believer. Believer have Holy Spirit must higher than non believer.

One day my friend ask me to go with him to witnessing to moslim.

My friend ask his moslim friend if he is interesting to accept Jesus.

His moslim friend say. I am not interested to accept Jesus, because Christian incourage crime.

I ask him, what in the Bible teach to do crime.

He answer, the Bible teach as long as you believe Jesus is God, than murder, stealing go to heaven because Jesus die for your sin.

I say to him only if you repent He will forgive you, if you repent for one hour than back to murder, your past sin forgiven but your new sin aren't till you repent again.

That is what I believe. In my country some family disown the family member, because of lot of reason. In the history God disown lucifer and drive away Adam from Eden because disobey.

I seem not to venture on Lucifer because he was once an angel of God but go rather to Adam and Eve as point of study. It is interesting to note that though Adam and Eve sinned God made a way. God made a coat skin. Yes God drove them out from the Garden of Eden as a result of their sinned but doesn't even mean they were not saved. Did Adam and Eve saved? Yes! Please see link for your study.

https://carm.org/were-adam-and-eve-saved

 

[Jackson123]

Repent means a change of mind, if you keep repeating it then change mind again seems to me one is not truly saved, born again by the Spirit of God. It further implies there's no really a fruit of the Spirit and his profession of faith is questionable. We are not born again to deliberately to make sin. I am not saying though we will not commit sin but if one sin then he confesses them to God and God is righteous enough to forgive us.

1 John 1:9 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I agree, we have to confess our sins and ask forgiveness and repent

Not only repent 1 years than back to steal

If we back to steal than we need to repent again

 

[Jackson123]

So let's review what the Bible teaches.

1. The New Birth makes a person a new creature in Christ. All past sins are forgiven.
And his desire then is to stop sinning and to do what is righteous.

2. The New Birth does not guarantee sinless perfection, since the old nature is not eradicated (removed completely).

3. For those who have received the Holy Spirit, the sin nature cannot (and must not) dominate the Christian. Therefore true Christians will obey God and Christ.

4. But Christians can and do sin (sins of omission or commission) and must therefore repent and confess their sins. This does not mean that they are not saved.

As long as repent and confest, they are save.

After accept Jesus and keep stealing mean not repent

After repent from stealing for 5 years than back to steal, must rerepent

 

[Jackson123]

I seem not to venture on Lucifer because he was once an angel of God but go rather to Adam and Eve as point of study. It is interesting to note that though Adam and Eve sinned God made a way. God made a coat skin. Yes God drove them out from the Garden of Eden as a result of their sinned but doesn't even mean they were not saved. Did Adam and Eve saved? Yes! Please see link for your study.

https://carm.org/were-adam-and-eve-saved

I do not know if Adam and Eve save or not, all I know is, if they repent, they save.

Let go back to your analogy, if your son kill your wife he still your son.

Adam and Eve is God child, their offspring are God child to, am I correct

Base on your believe child is child, than no body going to hell

Remember all human is adam offspring

If Adam god child, than all human are god child

Because the status of child never change, than all human go to heaven

 

[crossnote]

I think this is you believe.
Jesus die on the cross for all your sin, so keep stealing after accepting Jesus not ok, but not make you go to hell. Once a years murder is not ok but you still go to heaven only no reward.

After all the time I spent with you, that is what you think I think?
No, my friend, that is what you want to think I think. I see I am wasting my time.
Maybe someone with more patience than I can deal with your question (if it is even being asked in sincerity).

 

[Jackson123]

After all the time I spent with you, that is what you think I think?
No, my friend, that is what you want to think I think. I see I am wasting my time.
Maybe someone with more patience than I can deal with your question (if it is even being asked in sincerity).

I am sorry if I am wrong.

But why you believe this verse is only for non believer

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers

of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


I assume you believe this verse for unbeliever, because for believer stealing is inherit the kingdom

 

[crossnote]

I am sorry if I am wrong.

But why you believe this verse is only for non believer

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers

of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


I assume you believe this verse for unbeliever, because for believer stealing is inherit the kingdom

I think I told you in nice words in my last post, 'Good Bye'.

 

[Jackson123]

I think I told you in nice words in my last post, 'Good Bye'.

I am not force you to answer my question and I am sorry if you think so, iyou do have the right to not like to discuss with me

 

[crossnote]

Again, many teach we do nothing once we are saved, like obeying God is a work and not our due to Him. They are like the pharisees of old, blinded by the veil of Moses.

Can you give an example of someone teaching that? They may teach we do nothing for our salvation. But..".many teach we do nothing once we are saved,"???

 

[JaumeJ]

Can you give an example of s

omeone teaching that? They may teach we do nothing for our salvation. But..".many teach we do nothing once we are saved,"???

Are you here to muddle what I post? You weekll know that any time it is mentioned that sin is breaking the law thus we should do our best to obey it according to the teaching of Jesus, it is called by the blind, being under the law.

Now young man, you have invited me not to post if I do not agree with c ertain aspects of posts with political leanings added to ÇGod's Word, so now invite you to read anything you like, but do the same as you dictate. I woulds say preach but you do not do such.

It seems you hae been lurking awaiting your opposrtunity to troll into my wosrds.....repititons sosf understandg by the Holy Ghost..

May God bless you with longsuffering and dpatience and love, amen.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Matthew 19:16-26 King James Version (KJV)
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Why Paul say salvation by faith not by work

And the same Paul say

1 Corinthians 6:9

“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,”

Is salvation nothing to do with work or doing good

Pauls life was set as Saul to do the right thing without fault, and still he did not know God.
Without the relationship of love with Jesus the focus and effect of our actions goes wrong.
Paul was saying first get ones faith right, then the fruit of ones actions will be right.

Paul was a pharisee yet he did not condemn pharisees but saw their dedication to following God
exactly as is humanly possible. It is why he always went to the synagogues to preach in a new
town, to show the foundation Jesus had in scripture and Israel, and then to move on to the gentiles.

Many miss that Paul is under the law of Christ, love working in him to fulfil the law of Moses, and
think Pauls freedom from ceremonial law, sabbaths etc. meant he was free from repentance, and
morality itself, which simply denies Pauls own teaching and condemnation of all sin.

This is Pauls attitude to christians who continue to sin

11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother
but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler.
With such a man do not even eat.
1 Cor 5

There is no compromise here, ever.

9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6

 

[JohnRH]

Fire and burn in this verse is hell isnt it

No, it isn't hell. Men don't cast men into hell. It's part of the illustration showing the uselessness of the saved person who doesn't abide in Jesus.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

 

[Jackson123]

Pauls life was set as Saul to do the right thing without fault, and still he did not know God.
Without the relationship of love with Jesus the focus and effect of our actions goes wrong.
Paul was saying first get ones faith right, then the fruit of ones actions will be right.

Paul was a pharisee yet he did not condemn pharisees but saw their dedication to following God
exactly as is humanly possible. It is why he always went to the synagogues to preach in a new
town, to show the foundation Jesus had in scripture and Israel, and then to move on to the gentiles.

Many miss that Paul is under the law of Christ, love working in him to fulfil the law of Moses, and
think Pauls freedom from ceremonial law, sabbaths etc. meant he was free from repentance, and
morality itself, which simply denies Pauls own teaching and condemnation of all sin.

This is Pauls attitude to christians who continue to sin

11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother
but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler.
With such a man do not even eat.
1 Cor 5

There is no compromise here, ever.

9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6

Thank brother. I read some of your post, yes people me include tend to forget that the reason we post here is to love other. In the middle of debate we lose control and deny the very reason of this discussion it is to love.

I remember Paul say in 1cor 13 love is patient.

But at least we learn how to love in this forum.

If every body agree and love me than I am not learn to be patient

 

[JohnRH]

God told us, stealing not inherit the kingdom. And you believe only if the thrift non believer, but for believer stealing go to heaven. I do not share that believe. The verse say stealing not go to heaven, I believe that verse aplicable for every body.

Paul is telling the brothers in Christ not to go to court against each other before unjust/unbelievers/unrighteous. These people aren't inheriting the kingdom of God and brothers have no business subjecting their internal disputes to these absolutely unqualified judges. This group of unbelievers consist of fornicators, idolaters, ... thieves, ... etc., who will not inherit the kingdom of God.
The internal disputes in the church are only to be brought before those who are inheriting the kingdom - the brethren. That's the point of the passage.

Later on, in chapter 15, Paul says that the brother's flesh will also not inherit the kingdom of God (15:50). When a person gets saved, their flesh doesn't get saved. In their flesh "dwelleth no good thing", Romans 7:18. So when a brother who wills not to steal and hates stealing strays and commits theft, it's no longer him that steals but sin that dwells in his flesh, Rom. 7:17. If he dies before he repents he goes straight home to be with the Lord, leaving his thieving flesh behind.

lucifer was the angel of the Lord, when he broke the rule God let him go.

Lucifer was an angel. There's no sacrifice or salvation for angels, so that's a non-issue.

Adam and Eve was in the Garden, when they not obey, God ask them to go.

Adam wasn't saved before he sinned, because he had no sin to be saved from. He didn't have any salvation to loose when he did sin. And he didn't loose his son/offspring of God status either. All people, saved and unsaved, are the offspring of God; only born again people are children of God by faith in Christ Jesus (Galatians 3:26). So don't try to use pre-sin Adam as an example of a child of God loosing his salvation.