Jesus say: to be save you have to do good

[JaumeJ]

Yep, often we have already made up our minds on doctrine before putting them up for discussion. If that is how you think the Christian life should be lived by, I respect that choice.

Anone coming in to discuss any subject in the Gospel is already convinced of it, unless he or she has not accepted the sacrifice, Jesus Christ.

It is not a matter of having one's mind "made up," it is a mater of sharing the Word.. If someone you read is wrong, eventually the Teacher will fix all. God bless you always...

 

[fredoheaven]

So you say we judge not because what we done but what Christ done, am I correct

Then you say even if we done something wrong we still go to heaven, not losing our salvation.

Matt25
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Seem to me Jesus as a judge inform us that in the last judgment He judge base on what man did,
Not on what He did.
And because the man did wrong they lose their salvation not only reward.

Verse 41 ......... ye curse into everlasting fire

Not only lose the reward, but into everlasting fire or lose their salvation.

I can refer to you with this link for your further study about the Judgment Seat of Christ. May you prayerfully seek his words.

https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=XS-J-0GcFdwC&pg=PT1&lpg=PT1&dq=difference+between+judgment+seat+of+Christ+and+The+great+white+throne+judgment&source=bl&ots=RWnVQz5H7f&sig=ACfU3U2naOW-7zWydl19TyD2X-5lqaao_g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0_Iemj-7jAhXMQN4KHew6Bp84PBDoATAIegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=difference between judgment seat of Christ and The great white throne judgment&f=false

 

[Adstar]

Because he save before sin, but after sin the save status is change isn't it?

Everybody sins.. Everybody is therefore doomed to be cast into the eternal lake of fire.. But if a person believes Jesus and trusts in the atonement He secured to save them from going to the eternal lake of fire.. Then all their sins are forgiven.. Past sins and future sins..

There is only one sin that will not be forgiven.. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.. All other sins can be forgiven by trusting in the atonement Jesus secured for us on the cross..

So as long as i continue to believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured to save me then my saved status will not change..

 

[Jackson123]

I can refer to you with this link for your further study about the Judgment Seat of Christ. May you prayerfully seek his words.

https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=XS-J-0GcFdwC&pg=PT1&lpg=PT1&dq=difference+between+judgment+seat+of+Christ+and+The+great+white+throne+judgment&source=bl&ots=RWnVQz5H7f&sig=ACfU3U2naOW-7zWydl19TyD2X-5lqaao_g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi0_Iemj-7jAhXMQN4KHew6Bp84PBDoATAIegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=difference between judgment seat of Christ and The great white throne judgment&f=false

Thank for the book, but the letter was to small for me, but Thanks brother

 

[Jackson123]

Everybody sins.. Everybody is therefore doomed to be cast into the eternal lake of fire.. But if a person believes Jesus and trusts in the atonement He secured to save them from going to the eternal lake of fire.. Then all their sins are forgiven.. Past sins and future sins..

There is only one sin that will not be forgiven.. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.. All other sins can be forgiven by trusting in the atonement Jesus secured for us on the cross..

So as long as i continue to believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured to save me then my saved status will not change..

With the requirement as long as continue to believe, I agree that the sin Will be forgiven.

But I often see mis understanding among my Christian friend that believe stealing is ok as long believe in Jesus.

I just talk oN the phone with my friend, basically he say, his wife not love him anymore and and he say, every now and than he commit adultery with other woman, he still believe in Jesus, so he believe he save

Also he say, what the different between adultery in the hearth.

I am not comment because I think every body sin include me, but deep in my heart I believe sinner must repent.

I do not give wrong answer, but I know to be save, we better repent, ask God strength not to commit adultery.

 

[Adstar]

With the requirement as long as continue to believe, I agree that the sin Will be forgiven.

But I often see mis understanding among my Christian friend that believe stealing is ok as long believe in Jesus.

As i have stated to be saved one must believe Jesus who is God... God makes it clear in His 10 commandments that stealing is wrong / immoral /sin.. If a person believes God then they will believe that they should not steal and will resist the temptation to steal.. Now they may at a moment of weakness steal something.. But if they believe God they will soon feel guilty and regret that they have done this terrible thing..

People who believe Jesus do not use the grace He secured for them as a license to sin.. They do not think sin is good now or acceptable..

I just talk oN the phone with my friend, basically he say, his wife not love him anymore and and he say, every now and than he commit adultery with other woman, he still believe in Jesus, so he believe he save

Also he say, what the different between adultery in the hearth.

Your friend is wrong and worse still your friend is trying to justify his sin,, that is the worst thing a Christian can do.. say that their sin is justified..

I am not comment because I think every body sin include me,

True all human beings sin and we will sin as long as we live in these corrupt sinful flesh bodies.. So repent does not mean cease to sin.. repent means to hate sin and love what is good.. Jesus wants those who are righteous in Spirit,, but no human can be righteous in our current evil flesh.. That's why we continually need the Atonement of Jesus till the day we die and are finally freed from our faulty corrupt natures..

 

[gcdcpakmbs]

If you love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind, do you not wish to please him by following his commands?

We are saved through Grace, because we are totally unworthy of, and incapable of living in a way that earns our right to His kingdom. Mercy (not getting what we deserve), and Grace (receiving what we don't deserve) are freely available and given to all who accept it. Take note in Jesus' letters to the churches (Rev 2 and 3) that repentance is always a path. One receives salvation through the accomplishment and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Not by one's works, neither by alone adhering to the law.

Keeping His commands and doing good works should be simply a natural reaction to one's love for God. Interesting that following the law alone, without devotion is not without penalty. Revelation 2: 2-5.

 

[Marcelo]

With the requirement as long as continue to believe, I agree that the sin Will be forgiven.

But I often see mis understanding among my Christian friend that believe stealing is ok as long believe in Jesus.

I just talk oN the phone with my friend, basically he say, his wife not love him anymore and and he say, every now and than he commit adultery with other woman, he still believe in Jesus, so he believe he save

This is a widespread problem and is the result of false teachings intended the make the Way broader and the Gate wider. One of these teachings is this: "All sins are equal -- there's no such thing as big sin and small sin". Since we all sin -- they say -- we all depend on God's forgiveness to enter Heaven.

What goes in the minds of people who believe these false teachings is something like this: "That girl has given me the go ahead more than twice. We are all sinners and I can't win salvation by my own efforts. Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable sin. I can't miss a chance like this".

1 Corinthians

9 Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, 10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Jackson123]

As i have stated to be saved one must believe Jesus who is God... God makes it clear in His 10 commandments that stealing is wrong / immoral /sin.. If a person believes God then they will believe that they should not steal and will resist the temptation to steal.. Now they may at a moment of weakness steal something.. But if they believe God they will soon feel guilty and regret that they have done this terrible thing..

People who believe Jesus do not use the grace He secured for them as a license to sin.. They do not think sin is good now or acceptable..



Your friend is wrong and worse still your friend is trying to justify his sin,, that is the worst thing a Christian can do.. say that their sin is justified..



True all human beings sin and we will sin as long as we live in these corrupt sinful flesh bodies.. So repent does not mean cease to sin.. repent means to hate sin and love what is good.. Jesus wants those who are righteous in Spirit,, but no human can be righteous in our current evil flesh.. That's why we continually need the Atonement of Jesus till the day we die and are finally freed from our faulty corrupt natures..

Thanks brother, last nigh I talk him oN the phone till 3 am.

I am afraid to judge, but I do not know why he believe God Will understand him.

His was poor, when he young work in the clothing manufacture. And he give 10 % from his income now he is millioner, own some apartemen t and motel, some house.

He have Lot of money in the bank, that make him Being a good friend Of 2 bank manager, where he is Banking with. he tell me, 2 of These bank manager that teach him to go to bar, play with a Lot of pretty and young girl.

He keep say what a wrong, we are sinner No matter what, salvation not by work. God not put you to hell, he pay your penalty oN the cross.

He ask me are you Holy never sin? I say No. Than what the different, he say.

He was the person that invite me to joint him witnesses door to door, when he was not so rich. Seem to me money make people respect to you and attract a Lot of pretty girl. And If you have problem with you wife, you run to the pretty girl

 

[Jackson123]

This is a widespread problem and is the result of false teachings intended the make the Way broader and the Gate wider. One of these teachings is this: "All sins are equal -- there's no such thing as big sin and small sin". Since we all sin -- they say -- we all depend on God's forgiveness to enter Heaven.

What goes in the minds of people who believe these false teachings is something like this: "That girl has given me the go ahead more than twice. We are all sinners and I can't win salvation by my own efforts. Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable sin. I can't miss a chance like this".

1 Corinthians

9 Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, 10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.

Yep, we have to careful to answer this problem, If we say please repent, he Will say you are hypocrit

 

[Jackson123]

If you love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind, do you not wish to please him by following his commands?

We are saved through Grace, because we are totally unworthy of, and incapable of living in a way that earns our right to His kingdom. Mercy (not getting what we deserve), and Grace (receiving what we don't deserve) are freely available and given to all who accept it. Take note in Jesus' letters to the churches (Rev 2 and 3) that repentance is always a path. One receives salvation through the accomplishment and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Not by one's works, neither by alone adhering to the law.

Keeping His commands and doing good works should be simply a natural reaction to one's love for God. Interesting that following the law alone, without devotion is not without penalty. Revelation 2: 2-5.

Revelation 2:2-5 New International Version (NIV)
2 I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. 3 You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary.
4 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. 5 Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.

I read the verse you qoute.

God say, If you not repent I Will remove your lamstand from It place

What is that mean?

 

[gcdcpakmbs]

Revelation 2:2-5 New International Version (NIV)
2 I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. 3 You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary.
4 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. 5 Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.

I read the verse you qoute.

God say, If you not repent I Will remove your lamstand from It place

What is that mean?

In the scene in heaven that John is witnessing, Jesus is walking among 7 lampstands. These lampstands are the 7 churches he writes letters to in chapters 2 & 3. The church at Ephesus is the 1st addressed. Apparently they listened to Paul and John's warnings about testing doctrines (something we hope to gain here, I hope.) But it would appear that love and hope became casualties of the heresy-hunting (false teachers). So they were too busy on the business of the King to have time for the King. "Thy first love." First here is protos - first in rank, influence honor. You can also contrast Mary/Martha. Luke 10:38-42. Devotion to the King. First Commandment Deut 6:5
David and Solomon. Solomon sought wisdom and is mentioned only with adverse comments in Matthew 6:28 - on. David on the other hand simply sought fellowship: "to dwell in the house of the Lord forever" Psalm 23:6.
Again, I offer these as thoughts. Not as doctrine for you to accept.

 

[Jackson123]

In the scene in heaven that John is witnessing, Jesus is walking among 7 lampstands. These lampstands are the 7 churches he writes letters to in chapters 2 & 3. The church at Ephesus is the 1st addressed. Apparently they listened to Paul and John's warnings about testing doctrines (something we hope to gain here, I hope.) But it would appear that love and hope became casualties of the heresy-hunting (false teachers). So they were too busy on the business of the King to have time for the King. "Thy first love." First here is protos - first in rank, influence honor. You can also contrast Mary/Martha. Luke 10:38-42. Devotion to the King. First Commandment Deut 6:5
David and Solomon. Solomon sought wisdom and is mentioned only with adverse comments in Matthew 6:28 - on. David on the other hand simply sought fellowship: "to dwell in the house of the Lord forever" Psalm 23:6.
Again, I offer these as thoughts. Not as doctrine for you to accept.

So lampstand is a church.

Than Remove from the lampstand mean remove the status of a church, or God not consider as a church anymore or not save anymore, am I correct?

 

[JohnRH]

Thanks brother, last nigh I talk him oN the phone till 3 am.

I am afraid to judge, but I do not know why he believe God Will understand him.

His was poor, when he young work in the clothing manufacture. And he give 10 % from his income now he is millioner, own some apartemen t and motel, some house.

He have Lot of money in the bank, that make him Being a good friend Of 2 bank manager, where he is Banking with. he tell me, 2 of These bank manager that teach him to go to bar, play with a Lot of pretty and young girl.

He keep say what a wrong, we are sinner No matter what, salvation not by work. God not put you to hell, he pay your penalty oN the cross.

He ask me are you Holy never sin? I say No. Than what the different, he say.

He was the person that invite me to joint him witnesses door to door, when he was not so rich. Seem to me money make people respect to you and attract a Lot of pretty girl. And If you have problem with you wife, you run to the pretty girl

It sounds like you need to apply 1 Corinthians 5, where you have a responsibility TO judge.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or
covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

If you're a born again Christian, heaven or hell is not the issue for you; becoming leavened by a sinning brother is (vv. 6,7).

 

[JohnRH]

So lampstand is a church.

Than Remove from the lampstand mean remove the status of a church, or God not consider as a church anymore or not save anymore, am I correct?

It means that this particular local church will cease to exist as a local church. The individuals in that church who are saved continue to be saved.

 

[Jackson123]

It sounds like you need to apply 1 Corinthians 5, where you have a responsibility TO judge.

11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or
covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

If you're a born again Christian, heaven or hell is not the issue for you; becoming leavened by a sinning brother is (vv. 6,7).

Thanks brother, It is good information

 

[Jackson123]

It means that this particular local church will cease to exist as a local church. The individuals in that church who are saved continue to be saved.

Thanks,

In the history some church cease to exist, may be because the same problem or similar.

 

[gcdcpakmbs]

So lampstand is a church.

Than Remove from the lampstand mean remove the status of a church, or God not consider as a church anymore or not save anymore, am I correct?

Sorry to be so long. I don't believe the Lampstand is a church. I believe the light (Candle) is the church. The lampstand would be a holder for the church. I do not know exactly what removing the lampstand equates to. But it is clearly a punishment. Perhaps you are correct about the church history, but I do not know.

 

[Leastamongmany]

If you love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind, do you not wish to please him by following his commands?

We are saved through Grace, because we are totally unworthy of, and incapable of living in a way that earns our right to His kingdom. Mercy (not getting what we deserve), and Grace (receiving what we don't deserve) are freely available and given to all who accept it. Take note in Jesus' letters to the churches (Rev 2 and 3) that repentance is always a path. One receives salvation through the accomplishment and sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Not by one's works, neither by alone adhering to the law.

Keeping His commands and doing good works should be simply a natural reaction to one's love for God. Interesting that following the law alone, without devotion is not without penalty. Revelation 2: 2-5.

Welcome to cc,blessings!

 

[Lanolin]

Thanks for your warning brother.

In my discussion with some friend, I heard again and do with work, good work produce reward but nothing to do with salvation.

My Christian friend steal money from credit card, because he believe good work nothing to do with salvation.

I think we need study deeper about correlation between faith and work.

Why Jesus say if you want save, keep the commandment

Why not say, keep commandment is only for reward, but for salvation you only need faith,

Your 'friend' seems to have got it backwards, show him the verses from James about faith without works is dead. Also when Jesus saves us, its for good works which God has ordained for us to do.

I have known some people like this, thinking they can get away with anything because God 'favours' them with grace. That isnt true, it may seem like that on surface, but He knows everything we do and we each have to give account on judgement day.