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What is a Judaizer?
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Well 3rdAngel, some call me a Judaizer because I honor God from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. God did not name the days of the week, pagans did. I don't do it to get saved or to earn anything. I just do it. I delight in God Sabbath, I hope God delights in me just a little bit. I keep other laws too because I don't see all fulfilled as some claim. I am saved by grace like everyone else but they still claim I am trying to save myself. Oh well, you can't please everyone.
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Why you say i say you must leave the blood atonement of Christ?
COL.2 [14] Blotting out THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Jesus blotted out “only” the handwriting of the ordinances.
2 KINGS 17 [36] But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.[37] And the statutes, AND the ordinances, AND the law, AND the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.
“Many” have come in the name of Christ and would have you to believe the law, the ordinances and the commandments are all lumped together as one. They do this so they can point out a scripture which talking about the law of circumcision (which was nailed to the cross) and then apply that scripture to the ten commandments. But as you can see in above scripture, the ordinances, the law, and the commandments are all separate. And it was not the law nor the ten commandments that Jesus nailed to the cross. It was the law contained in the ordinances.
EXODUS 12 [11] And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [12] For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord. [13] And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. [14] And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST BY AN ORDINANCE FOR EVER.
Theres one of the feast days (holy days) which are to be kept by ordinance. The Lords passover
NUMBERS 28 [16] And in the fourteenth day of the first month is THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD. [17] And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. [18] In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein: [19] But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire for a burnt offering unto the Lord; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish: [20] And their MEAT OFFERING shall be of flour mingled with oil: three tenth deals shall ye offer for a bullock, and two tenth deals for a ram; [21] A several tenth deal shalt thou offer for every lamb, throughout the seven lambs: [22] And one goat for a sin offering, to make an atonement for you. [23] Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering. [24] After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his DRINK OFFERING.
Here we see the Lords passover and the meat and drink offering which are in the handwriting of that ordinance
HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary...... [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us
Its all about the blood of Christ.
COL.2 [14] Blotting out THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.[16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Jesus blotted out “only” the handwriting of the ordinances.
2 KINGS 17 [36] But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.[37] And the statutes, AND the ordinances, AND the law, AND the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.
“Many” have come in the name of Christ and would have you to believe the law, the ordinances and the commandments are all lumped together as one. They do this so they can point out a scripture which talking about the law of circumcision (which was nailed to the cross) and then apply that scripture to the ten commandments. But as you can see in above scripture, the ordinances, the law, and the commandments are all separate. And it was not the law nor the ten commandments that Jesus nailed to the cross. It was the law contained in the ordinances.
EXODUS 12 [11] And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [12] For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord. [13] And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt. [14] And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it A FEAST BY AN ORDINANCE FOR EVER.
Theres one of the feast days (holy days) which are to be kept by ordinance. The Lords passover
NUMBERS 28 [16] And in the fourteenth day of the first month is THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD. [17] And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. [18] In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein: [19] But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire for a burnt offering unto the Lord; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish: [20] And their MEAT OFFERING shall be of flour mingled with oil: three tenth deals shall ye offer for a bullock, and two tenth deals for a ram; [21] A several tenth deal shalt thou offer for every lamb, throughout the seven lambs: [22] And one goat for a sin offering, to make an atonement for you. [23] Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering. [24] After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his DRINK OFFERING.
Here we see the Lords passover and the meat and drink offering which are in the handwriting of that ordinance
HEBREWS 9 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary...... [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us
Its all about the blood of Christ.
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Hi Nehemiah,
If the meaning of the word JUDAIZER is to convert someone to Judaism to follow Jewish customs and religious rites. Where do we draw the line here? I means we know that as Chrstians, the JEWISH nation rejects the old Testament and new scriptures that pointed to Jesus as the promised Messiah. This does not make the Old and New Testament scriptures untrue. Everything we have in the new testament scriptures come from the old testament scriptures? For me looking at the word meaning of JUDAIZER would not this be in reference to someone that does not believe and Jesus as the Messiah and someone that rejects the New Testament scriptures? If this is correct does any one here really fit this definition of this word? Just some thoughts from compiling what we have been contributing here.
Blessings
If the meaning of the word JUDAIZER is to convert someone to Judaism to follow Jewish customs and religious rites. Where do we draw the line here? I means we know that as Chrstians, the JEWISH nation rejects the old Testament and new scriptures that pointed to Jesus as the promised Messiah. This does not make the Old and New Testament scriptures untrue. Everything we have in the new testament scriptures come from the old testament scriptures? For me looking at the word meaning of JUDAIZER would not this be in reference to someone that does not believe and Jesus as the Messiah and someone that rejects the New Testament scriptures? If this is correct does any one here really fit this definition of this word? Just some thoughts from compiling what we have been contributing here.
Blessings
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Where we draw the line is here:
1. What is essential for salvation in and through Christ.
2. What is null and void in the Law of Moses and what is still valid.
3. What is the difference between using the works of the Law to establish one's righteousness, and doing good works under the New Covenant and by the power of the Spirit for working out one's salvation (not maintaining it by good works).
1. What is essential for salvation in and through Christ.
2. What is null and void in the Law of Moses and what is still valid.
3. What is the difference between using the works of the Law to establish one's righteousness, and doing good works under the New Covenant and by the power of the Spirit for working out one's salvation (not maintaining it by good works).
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Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
That is a judaizer. A Pharisee who believes and commands to keep the law of moses.
This was the question posed by Peter;
Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
And this was his conclusion;
Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
That is a judaizer. A Pharisee who believes and commands to keep the law of moses.
This was the question posed by Peter;
Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
And this was his conclusion;
Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
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Thanks Nehemiah,
Looking at the word meaning of JUDAIZER seems to be in reference to someone promoting others to live as the Jews or to become a proselyte of the Jews to follow the Jewish ritual laws (e.g. circumcision, annual feasts etc) of the laws of Moses in the TORAH (first five books of the bible).
Strong's #2450: Ioudaizo from 2453; to become a Judaean, i.e. "Judaize":--live as the Jews.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon: Ioudaizō
1) to adopt Jewish customs and rites, imitate the Jews, Judaise
1a) one who observes the ritual law of the Jews
Part of Speech: verb
Relation: from G2453
Citing in TDNT: 3:356, 372
It is interesting to see everyones opinions on this and why some people still use this term today. Although to be honest I do not really know anyone that fits this name in the full sense of the word's meaning.
God bless
Looking at the word meaning of JUDAIZER seems to be in reference to someone promoting others to live as the Jews or to become a proselyte of the Jews to follow the Jewish ritual laws (e.g. circumcision, annual feasts etc) of the laws of Moses in the TORAH (first five books of the bible).
Strong's #2450: Ioudaizo from 2453; to become a Judaean, i.e. "Judaize":--live as the Jews.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon: Ioudaizō
1) to adopt Jewish customs and rites, imitate the Jews, Judaise
1a) one who observes the ritual law of the Jews
Part of Speech: verb
Relation: from G2453
Citing in TDNT: 3:356, 372
It is interesting to see everyones opinions on this and why some people still use this term today. Although to be honest I do not really know anyone that fits this name in the full sense of the word's meaning.
God bless
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Hi 3rdAngel,
Anger and antagonism.
I will compare and contrast.
Some will call me a judaizer as an insult, because Paul despised those who were believers who wished
to become jews as well. So to correctly put someone in this group, is to have them rejected by the faith.
Now if I meet a theology which believes a believer is an upgraded immortal with an eternal spirit, that
description could be seen as an insult. If I said they were secure in Christ and could never lose salvation,
they might be content as that is their intent. They are actually the same thing, but different descriptions.
Now when someone is "hurt" like this they want to retaliate, so create slogans that do the same but to their
opponents. If one takes a concepts, make it broader and then apply, one can put it into other contexts.
It is similar to ideas like law. The law of Moses and the law of Christ are different things.
Or freedom and lawlessness, or faith that is just a belief, passive faith, or faith that results in change and
action, working faith.
Unfortunately this will always take place because emotionally a lot is at stake.
What helps is expanding on this behaviour and seeing the power of concepts and description, which is
good to embrace and use. What you will discover is one person uses one word with assumptions about
its meaning, and another uses the same word but with different assumptions. Until the day they explain
their assumptions, they think they agree. When the day comes they find they do not agree, sparks can
fly, and sometimes true resolution and forgiveness. God bless you
Anger and antagonism.
I will compare and contrast.
Some will call me a judaizer as an insult, because Paul despised those who were believers who wished
to become jews as well. So to correctly put someone in this group, is to have them rejected by the faith.
Now if I meet a theology which believes a believer is an upgraded immortal with an eternal spirit, that
description could be seen as an insult. If I said they were secure in Christ and could never lose salvation,
they might be content as that is their intent. They are actually the same thing, but different descriptions.
Now when someone is "hurt" like this they want to retaliate, so create slogans that do the same but to their
opponents. If one takes a concepts, make it broader and then apply, one can put it into other contexts.
It is similar to ideas like law. The law of Moses and the law of Christ are different things.
Or freedom and lawlessness, or faith that is just a belief, passive faith, or faith that results in change and
action, working faith.
Unfortunately this will always take place because emotionally a lot is at stake.
What helps is expanding on this behaviour and seeing the power of concepts and description, which is
good to embrace and use. What you will discover is one person uses one word with assumptions about
its meaning, and another uses the same word but with different assumptions. Until the day they explain
their assumptions, they think they agree. When the day comes they find they do not agree, sparks can
fly, and sometimes true resolution and forgiveness. God bless you
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Rejected in respect to whose faith? Christ's of God ?
God's word defines the phrase and parables .Each word is assigned a meaning not subject to change.
A Jew is not a Jew outwardly pertaining to the seeds of Abraham (fleshly seeds of Judaism) but a Jew is one who has been born again of the Spirit of Christ inwardly "not seen" . If any man has not that seed Christ(not seeds pertaining to what the eyes see the temporal) then they simply has not been born again
Christian are considered an inward Jew who were previously called Israel (one who wrestles with flesh and blood and God and overcomes) Having God Emanuel with them and not Jacob (deceiver, under the father of lies the god of this world ).... whose name speaks of a outward unconverted Jew of the flesh .
The new name he deliberately named Israel is "Christian." I word with no other meaning means . . . Residents of the City of Christ prepared as his eternal bride.
I would agree "two kinds" of laws working together to make one "perfect law" . One that kills by itself "the letter" and the other not seen coming together as one prefect law that heals and creates anew. Just like to kinds of people. Jew and Gentile together make up one new creation. . . neither male nor female, Jew or Gentile.
Much confusion comes in when men try and make the Christian religion into a Jewish outward pertaining to the flesh, religion, having to do with things seen the temporal and not that not seen the eternal (.faith law)
We are to know no man after the flesh as if God was served by flesh and blood human hands as a will. Even the Son of man Jesus refused to stand in place of abomination of desecration but gave glory yo the Holy Father not seen and said. . Only God alone is good.
The flesh of Jesus as it is written profits for zero, nothing, nada.
I think sparks will be flying all the way till the last day .
A good way of dividing the Judaizers (those who walk by sight) from the believers (those who walk by faith the unseen eternal ) is in the studying how the phrase "law of the fathers" is used . . ..it apposes and usurps the law of our Holy Father in heaven .
They who glory in the flesh the things seen hold their law above that of all things written in the law and the prophets(sola scriptura the sword of the Spirit) .Their nemesis. . that excludes the oral traditions as a "law of the fathers" their false zeal for knowing our one Father in heaven.
God's word defines the phrase and parables .Each word is assigned a meaning not subject to change.
A Jew is not a Jew outwardly pertaining to the seeds of Abraham (fleshly seeds of Judaism) but a Jew is one who has been born again of the Spirit of Christ inwardly "not seen" . If any man has not that seed Christ(not seeds pertaining to what the eyes see the temporal) then they simply has not been born again
Christian are considered an inward Jew who were previously called Israel (one who wrestles with flesh and blood and God and overcomes) Having God Emanuel with them and not Jacob (deceiver, under the father of lies the god of this world ).... whose name speaks of a outward unconverted Jew of the flesh .
The new name he deliberately named Israel is "Christian." I word with no other meaning means . . . Residents of the City of Christ prepared as his eternal bride.
I would agree "two kinds" of laws working together to make one "perfect law" . One that kills by itself "the letter" and the other not seen coming together as one prefect law that heals and creates anew. Just like to kinds of people. Jew and Gentile together make up one new creation. . . neither male nor female, Jew or Gentile.
Much confusion comes in when men try and make the Christian religion into a Jewish outward pertaining to the flesh, religion, having to do with things seen the temporal and not that not seen the eternal (.faith law)
We are to know no man after the flesh as if God was served by flesh and blood human hands as a will. Even the Son of man Jesus refused to stand in place of abomination of desecration but gave glory yo the Holy Father not seen and said. . Only God alone is good.
The flesh of Jesus as it is written profits for zero, nothing, nada.
I think sparks will be flying all the way till the last day .
A good way of dividing the Judaizers (those who walk by sight) from the believers (those who walk by faith the unseen eternal ) is in the studying how the phrase "law of the fathers" is used . . ..it apposes and usurps the law of our Holy Father in heaven .
They who glory in the flesh the things seen hold their law above that of all things written in the law and the prophets(sola scriptura the sword of the Spirit) .Their nemesis. . that excludes the oral traditions as a "law of the fathers" their false zeal for knowing our one Father in heaven.
According to scripture we no longer need to use fleshly rites in our worship, they were given to the Hebrews to help them understand the spiritual truths of worship and through Christ and the Holy Spirit given to all they are not needed any longer to be used as our guides. To use these rites the church calls judaism.
Hebrews 9: 11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.
However, the church councils that gathered after Christ to set up church policy used this direction from the Lord to get rid of even what God told us was to be followed "for all generations". They did this to follow their anti-semitic believes so they tossed even Passover, pretending that God ordered it.
Hebrews 9: 11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.
However, the church councils that gathered after Christ to set up church policy used this direction from the Lord to get rid of even what God told us was to be followed "for all generations". They did this to follow their anti-semitic believes so they tossed even Passover, pretending that God ordered it.
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