Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

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Grandpa said:
I agree with the words that you say "Gods Will, Gods Law, His Word is in our hearts and minds through Christ".

But what those words ACTUALLY mean are two entirely different stories.
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No they mean Through Christ God places in our heart, mind, and mouth His Will, His Law, His Word.
You can't just agree that Christ doesn't equal law.

Since you can't agree that Christ doesn't equal law then you must think that Christ DOES equal Law.

Therefore we disagree, fundamentally, on what Christianity is.
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God's Law is OF Christ not Christ. Part of who He is.

If Christ is in us and we in Him God's will, His Law, His Word is part of who we are also. It being in our heart, mind, and mouth.

2 Corinthians 3:6-9
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
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We speak here of the ministration. The mode in which something is delivered. God said His Word, His Law is to be written in our heart, mind and mouth. No longer to be of ink and from tables of stone but from the fleshly tables of the heart by the Spirit of the Living God.



These scriptures compare and contrast, so we can see What Christ is and What Christ is NOT by reading here.

Christ is not the letter. The Letter kills.
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From ink to the fleshly tables of the heart through Christ. For God has said, "The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach"

Christ is not Moses Law written on stone, the 10 commandments.
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From engraved on tables of stone to the fleshly tables of the heart through Christ. For God has also said, "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:"

Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
(2Co 3:5-6 KJV)
 
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lightbearer said:
No they mean Through Christ God places in our heart, mind, and mouth His Will, His Law, His Word.
God's Law is OF Christ not Christ. Part of who He is.

If Christ is in us and we in Him God's will, His Law, His Word is part of who we are also. It being in our heart, mind, and mouth.

We speak here of the ministration. The mode in which something is delivered. God said His Word, His Law is to be written in our heart, mind and mouth. No longer to be of ink and from tables of stone but from the fleshly tables of the heart by the Spirit of the Living God.



From ink to the fleshly tables of the heart through Christ. For God has said, "The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach"

From engraved on tables of stone to the fleshly tables of the heart through Christ. For God has also said, "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:"

Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
(2Co 3:5-6 KJV)
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The laws written on our hearts, Gods Will, are not commandments.

Christ is not commandments.

Commandments are of the letter. What is written on our hearts is of Spirit.

The Ministration of Death and Condemnation is written in commandments.

The laws written on our heart are the Ministration of Righteousness and Life.


You are trying to make Commandments = Righteousness and Life.

Scripture shows you this is not so.
 
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DeighAnn said:
The original meaning, not the translated one.
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Oh. The bible scriptures I have been quoting are wrong? I have a bad translation?

Perhaps we should have had judaizers translate what the real meaning is.

I actually think you guys already have a Complete Jewish Bible. I'll see what that says.

Nope. The complete jewish bible says the same thing;

Matthew 5:47-48
47 And if you are friendly only to your friends, are you doing anything out of the ordinary? Even the Goyim do that!

48 Therefore, be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.


What is a Goyim? That seems even more fun than calling people heathens...
 
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Grandpa said:
Oh. The bible scriptures I have been quoting are wrong? I have a bad translation?

Perhaps we should have had judaizers translate what the real meaning is.

I actually think you guys already have a Complete Jewish Bible. I'll see what that says.

Nope. The complete jewish bible says the same thing;

Matthew 5:47-48
47 And if you are friendly only to your friends, are you doing anything out of the ordinary? Even the Goyim do that!

48 Therefore, be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.


What is a Goyim? That seems even more fun than calling people heathens...
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Now I am not going to tell you, that will teach you:p
 
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Lafftur said:
No. It means many strong in their beliefs which does NOT mean they are “deceivers.”
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Grandpa said:
The laws written on our hearts, Gods Will, are not commandments.

Christ is not commandments.

Commandments are of the letter. What is written on our hearts is of Spirit.

The Ministration of Death and Condemnation is written in commandments.

The laws written on our heart are the Ministration of Righteousness and Life.


You are trying to make Commandments = Righteousness and Life.

Scripture shows you this is not so.
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It isn't the law that is the problem. It is the sin. The law is glorious. Sin is bad. Sin is transgression of the law. SIN=BAD LAW=GOOD. Go write that 10 billion times and then come back and we will talk.
 
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lightbearer said:
No they mean Through Christ God places in our heart, mind, and mouth His Will, His Law, His Word.
God's Law is OF Christ not Christ. Part of who He is.

If Christ is in us and we in Him God's will, His Law, His Word is part of who we are also. It being in our heart, mind, and mouth.

We speak here of the ministration. The mode in which something is delivered. God said His Word, His Law is to be written in our heart, mind and mouth. No longer to be of ink and from tables of stone but from the fleshly tables of the heart by the Spirit of the Living God.



From ink to the fleshly tables of the heart through Christ. For God has said, "The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach"

From engraved on tables of stone to the fleshly tables of the heart through Christ. For God has also said, "I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:"

Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
(2Co 3:5-6 KJV)
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If I see someone like you for example disobeying the Word then am I to believe that the word is not in you or a part of you?
 
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Iroaou said:
If I see someone like you for example disobeying the Word then am I to believe that the word is not in you or a part of you?
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I think you are to rebuke, not judge unless it is habitual, then you are to discern.
 
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DeighAnn said:
I think you are to rebuke, not judge unless it is habitual, then you are to discern.
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When you disobey the Word of God do you rebuke yourself and discern it as not having the Word within you?
 
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SimpleGardner said:
So what is the truth in this matter as you see it?
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The truth is if you disobey the Word then that Word is not within you the first step to repenting from this would be to stop denying the truth which is when you disobey the Word it is not within you.
 
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Iroaou said:
The truth is if you disobey the Word then that Word is not within you the first step to repenting from this would be to stop denying the truth which is when you disobey the Word it is not within you.
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And to address your original question regarding;... discerning it as not having the Word within you?

To be above reproach, all questions should have a undisputed clarity to them. Would you agree? If so, how would you word that question so any man could grasp the intent of the question and with that understanding give an answer to?
 
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KJV1611 said:
What is the will of God that we should do that gives us everlasting life?
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For salvation Be perfect like HE IS and only HE can make the spirit perfect and because of HIS mercy we should present our bodies a living sacrifice renewing our minds and Prove what HIS good and Perfect will Is.
 
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Iroaou said:
The truth is if you disobey the Word then that Word is not within you the first step to repenting from this would be to stop denying the truth which is when you disobey the Word it is not within you.
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I don't know what you are going on about, but I think you are mistaken. Nobody here said the word was not in them. Quite the contrary, they claim the word is in their hearts and minds and we do not disobey that. Make you point clear before making it. 5thumbsup.gif
 
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SimpleGardner said:
And to address your original question regarding;... discerning it as not having the Word within you?

To be above reproach, all questions should have a undisputed clarity to them. Would you agree? If so, how would you word that question so any man could grasp the intent of the question and with that understanding give an answer to?
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I would word the question in Spirit and Truth all I can do is plant the seed it is God that gives the increase not I.
 
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Deade said:
I don't know what you are going on about, but I think you are mistaken. Nobody here said the word was not in them. Quite the contrary, they claim the word is in their hearts and minds and we do not disobey that. Make you point clear before making it. View attachment 202523
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Your point is not clear to me why you believe that I need to take your advice about how to carry on a conversation I am having with other people other than yourself please clear this up for me?
 
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