is jesus god ?? or son of g0d ?

[Worship]

SO YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD HAD CREATED A SON THROUGH MARY

God created Jesus, jesus is from creations of God, not his son, God is not humanbeing to have a son, God had created jesus, he is son of Mary not son of God

SO YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD HAD CREATED A SON THROUGH MARY

Did I said that Jesus (peace be upon him) was son of God??, God is above that, God have no daughter, father, mother, wife, son,etc.
And they say: God has begotten a son (children or offspring). Glory be to Him (Exalted be He above all that they associate with Him).Qur'an 2:116

SO YOU BELIEVE THAT GOD HAD CREATED A SON THROUGH MARY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME YOU SAY THAT HE IS JUST ANOTHER PROPHET??

((Created)) a son??, if God had created Jesus that means that jesus is not a son of God but means that jesus from creations of God, God had created all things, he created me and you and created jesus too
((Such is God, your Lord! There is no god but He (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone) ))Qur'an 6:102
So if you believe that God had created jesus like you said, why then you calling him son of God not messenger of God, if God hadcreated all things and jesus too, that means that we should worshiphim alone, worship the One who created all things, worship the Creator alone whithout any partners ((…the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone) )) Qur'an 6:102

 

[VRJ]

Satan's job is to cause division and he has no better servant than Wakeup who causes much. Instead of trying to help anyone draw closer to a relationship with the creator he will cause confusion to those who are trying to find real help in meaning.
Can anyone on this webb honestly say how much of a deeper walk they have had because of Wakeup?

 

[Crazy4GODword]

those who do not know the Trinity,,,,,please seek the truth. I am nothing but God is everything we need! I want to help those in need of the understanding

 

[demian]

Psalm 2:12 "Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!"He is a good God and He loves you. All He wants is for you to be moral and be encouraged

 

[demian]

The word in the Injil(gospel) for "messenger" is aggelos.
That is the word for angel
If Jesus was God’s messenger then in Arabic that would mean that Jesus was a djin.
but even in the Quran it is said Jesus's (Essa's) mother was a virgin? There was no father

 

[wakeup]

can you honestly anwer thes questions then, without going all over the place .

1. you said that that GOD resurected him self ? that only means he did not realy die ?

2. but the scribture said he died and was burried for three and a half days?

3. whos voice was it from heaven that says , this is my beloved son ?

4. who is sitting on the right hand side of god in heaven? pslm.110:1 .

But what about you, who do you say that I am?
Simon Peter replied
'You are the Christ, the son of the living God
Jesus replied
God has blessed you simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man but by my Father in Heaven

Interesting to note the revelation wasn't.

'You are God Himself in three persons
God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

You are right to mention Rev 3:12

Also Christ was given authority by his Father
Can you receive authority from another unless they are greater than you?

The Father is greater than I John 14:L28

when jesus asked simon, ''who do you think i am simon?''
simon answered you are the son of God; he did not say ''you are God''
but you say Jesus is god, is simon right or are you right?

wakeup.

 

[wakeup]

God created Jesus, jesus is from creations of God, not his son, God is not humanbeing to have a son, God had created jesus, he is son of Mary not son of God

Did I said that Jesus (peace be upon him) was son of God??, God is above that, God have no daughter, father, mother, wife, son,etc.
And they say: God has begotten a son (children or offspring). Glory be to Him (Exalted be He above all that they associate with Him).Qur'an 2:116

((Created)) a son??, if God had created Jesus that means that jesus is not a son of God but means that jesus from creations of God, God had created all things, he created me and you and created jesus too
((Such is God, your Lord! There is no god but He (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone) ))Qur'an 6:102
So if you believe that God had created jesus like you said, why then you calling him son of God not messenger of God, if God hadcreated all things and jesus too, that means that we should worshiphim alone, worship the One who created all things, worship the Creator alone whithout any partners ((…the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone) )) Qur'an 6:102

first of all i never said that jesus is just another prophet,where did you get this.
now to answer your question. Jesus came out of mary by Gods will, so he was born by the will of god, not by the will of men. we are all born by the will of men.because he was born by the will of God, that makes him the son of God, mathew 3:17, and lo a voice from heaven,saying,''this is my BELOVED SON,IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED.
how God made his word flesh is simple to understand. god created everything by his word, when he made
the the word flesh,is simple, God commanded the womb to conceive, and the baby was born, by the command of God, that makes him the son of God,God is his father, and God put his word inside jesus.
every time jesus open his mouth, gods word come out, God tells him what to say ,where to go, what to do.
we all have our word also,we are in controle of our word , our word can never controle us.
same with Jesus, he is the word of god, he can never be in controle of God, unless God give him all
authority. which he did gave him all authority, after the resurection. he is going to judge all.

please do not forget this one thing: Jesus is gods WORD,that became flesh. God changed his word into flesh.
my word is me, your word is you, Gods word is God. and Gods word ,his name is Jesus.
if i dishonour your word, i dishonour you, if you dishonour your fathers word, you dishonour your father.
if you dishonour Gods word, you dishonour God. so dont dishonour Jesus for he is the word of God.
(john1:1--3.): so Jesus is not just another prophet, prophets are different, god spoke to the prophet, and the prophet went, and speak to the people, but with Jesus God speaks from inside of him,because God dwelleth
in him. i hope my explanation helps you to see it from a different light.

wakeup.

 

[wakeup]

The word in the Injil(gospel) for "messenger" is aggelos.
That is the word for angel
If Jesus was God’s messenger then in Arabic that would mean that Jesus was a djin.
but even in the Quran it is said Jesus's (Essa's) mother was a virgin? There was no father

God is his fther, because he is born by the will of God not men
we are all born by the will of me, but not Jesus.

 

[wakeup]

God created Jesus, jesus is from creations of God, not his son, God is not humanbeing to have a son, God had created jesus, he is son of Mary not son of God

Did I said that Jesus (peace be upon him) was son of God??, God is above that, God have no daughter, father, mother, wife, son,etc.
And they say: God has begotten a son (children or offspring). Glory be to Him (Exalted be He above all that they associate with Him).Qur'an 2:116

((Created)) a son??, if God had created Jesus that means that jesus is not a son of God but means that jesus from creations of God, God had created all things, he created me and you and created jesus too
((Such is God, your Lord! There is no god but He (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone) ))Qur'an 6:102
So if you believe that God had created jesus like you said, why then you calling him son of God not messenger of God, if God hadcreated all things and jesus too, that means that we should worshiphim alone, worship the One who created all things, worship the Creator alone whithout any partners ((…the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone) )) Qur'an 6:102

i never said Jesus is just a prophet, i said Jesus is the word of God made flesh.

 

[wakeup]

Jesus is God in flesh, I believe. In other words, God decided to come to earth in the form of a human being, and he did so as Jesus Christ.

john said '' the word became flesh'' he never said '' God became flesh'' you can not twist the word of God
not even a little bit.

 

[wakeup]

Satan's job is to cause division and he has no better servant than Wakeup who causes much. Instead of trying to help anyone draw closer to a relationship with the creator he will cause confusion to those who are trying to find real help in meaning.
Can anyone on this webb honestly say how much of a deeper walk they have had because of Wakeup?

you must have totally misunderstood me vrj,
dont just call names, but reveal what the problem is, so one can correct.
if the scriptures that i have quoted is causing divisions amongst them that are already,devided
than so be it. you have never stated your believes,what do you believe?
sorry if i have shaken your foundations, something must be wrong with your foundation.
it is obvious that it is not strongly built. a strongly built faundation, will never be devided.
dont easilly lash out with your tongue,what comes out of the mouth can defile a man.
to ask an honest question is not to cause divisions.i have not heard your reply to this question.
'' is jesus GOD ? or son of GOD" ?

wakeup.

 

[Jaynee]

hi everyone interested in this mystery. most believe that jesus is god.
well if thats your believe , that only create a lot of questions :

1. on the cross why did he cry . my god my god ?
2. why did he say , into your hand i commit my apirit ?
3. why did he say , my father is greater than i
4. why did he say i my self can not do anything ?
5. in revelation ch. 3:12 why did he call his father my god and your god ?
6. now in heaven why is he sitting next to god ?

Hi wakeup,

Great post. Golly, you certainly have given us the so-called "wakeup" call! I don't have any answers to any of the six questions you've put forth. My guess is that one has to accept their underlying premises on faith alone. But even so, any answer given will be - by the very nature of the topic addressed - theological opinion that is influenced by the exegetical agenda that the responder is trying to push.

Anyhow, Thanks again for giving us food for thought and for forcing us to put on our thinking caps.

- Jaynee

 

[wakeup]

Satan's job is to cause division and he has no better servant than Wakeup who causes much. Instead of trying to help anyone draw closer to a relationship with the creator he will cause confusion to those who are trying to find real help in meaning.
Can anyone on this webb honestly say how much of a deeper walk they have had because of Wakeup?

are you shaken by the revealing of the scriptures ?
i am trying to give them a deeper meaning to the scriptures ,that is so misunderstood in the christian world.
and you just lashout with your mouth,words that satisfy your hateful feelings,but never come up with
scripture. one should come up with scripture not with a fowl mouth, what comes out a mans mouth can defile
a man, specially with words like that.
regards to you.
wakeup.

 

[wakeup]

Satan's job is to cause division and he has no better servant than Wakeup who causes much. Instead of trying to help anyone draw closer to a relationship with the creator he will cause confusion to those who are trying to find real help in meaning.
Can anyone on this webb honestly say how much of a deeper walk they have had because of Wakeup?

i also could accuse you, anyone could, but that spirit is not in me, i will always use scripture to back
me up: never use a fowl mouth, for you disrespect another human being.
your scriptural knowledge is obviously very basic. one must seek the deeper meaning.
knowledge can be just, surface, or deep, i prefer the deep knowledge.

regards
wakeup.

 

[wakeup]

Satan's job is to cause division and he has no better servant than Wakeup who causes much. Instead of trying to help anyone draw closer to a relationship with the creator he will cause confusion to those who are trying to find real help in meaning.
Can anyone on this webb honestly say how much of a deeper walk they have had because of Wakeup?

thats what i am trying to do, to give them the deeper knowledge,to open the eyes,make them think
they have been lulled asleep by the shepherds for too long. the time is near,must start searching.
you can go back to your sleep, but i like you to start searching also if you feel like it.
regards.

wakeup.

 

[Jaynee]

Satan's job is to cause division and he has no better servant than Wakeup who causes much. Instead of trying to help anyone draw closer to a relationship with the creator he will cause confusion to those who are trying to find real help in meaning.
Can anyone on this webb honestly say how much of a deeper walk they have had because of Wakeup?

Hi VRJ,

Aww c'mon now. Your vituperative response to Wakeup's OP does those of us in the CC Readership a great disservice. Your equating of WU's post with "Satan's job" is totally unwarranted.

As to your last question: I, for one, am proud to state that Wakeup's posts have empowered me to view things in a more objective - rather than a jaundiced - light. Peace and blessings be with you.

- Jaynee

 

[wakeup]

God created Jesus, jesus is from creations of God, not his son, God is not humanbeing to have a son, God had created jesus, he is son of Mary not son of God

Did I said that Jesus (peace be upon him) was son of God??, God is above that, God have no daughter, father, mother, wife, son,etc.
And they say: God has begotten a son (children or offspring). Glory be to Him (Exalted be He above all that they associate with Him).Qur'an 2:116

((Created)) a son??, if God had created Jesus that means that jesus is not a son of God but means that jesus from creations of God, God had created all things, he created me and you and created jesus too
((Such is God, your Lord! There is no god but He (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone) ))Qur'an 6:102
So if you believe that God had created jesus like you said, why then you calling him son of God not messenger of God, if God hadcreated all things and jesus too, that means that we should worshiphim alone, worship the One who created all things, worship the Creator alone whithout any partners ((…the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone) )) Qur'an 6:102

even if you believe JESUS is just a prophet, why dont you follow his words?
he said ''í am the son of god'' no man can come to the father but by me.(what say you)?
i and my father are one.(what say you)?
before abraham was i am.(what say you)?
what the father say that i speak.(what say you)?
the evil spirits also believe that Jesus is the son of God(what say you)?
Jesus is the first one resurected from the dead,and sitting next to God.(what say you)?
all authority is given to Jesus by God.(what say you)?
Jesus fed 5000 with 5 loaves of bread.(what say you)?
500 saw Jesus resurected, and walked with them for 40 days.(what say you)?
i can go on and on, everything is based on Jesus, no one else, the old testament
speaks of Jesus, and the new testament speaks of Jesus.its all about Jesus(the word).
he is the word of God,God created everything by his word,when God says
''let there be light'' it is Gods word speaking.and God spoke to us by his word, that God
made flesh,so men can see him.so he can feel pain, and sorrow,and can die.
i hope this will give some more light in your understanding about Jesus.
God will give, to whom he wants to give.
all the best with you.

wakeup.

 

[wakeup]

God created Jesus, jesus is from creations of God, not his son, God is not humanbeing to have a son, God had created jesus, he is son of Mary not son of God

Did I said that Jesus (peace be upon him) was son of God??, God is above that, God have no daughter, father, mother, wife, son,etc.
And they say: God has begotten a son (children or offspring). Glory be to Him (Exalted be He above all that they associate with Him).Qur'an 2:116

((Created)) a son??, if God had created Jesus that means that jesus is not a son of God but means that jesus from creations of God, God had created all things, he created me and you and created jesus too
((Such is God, your Lord! There is no god but He (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone) ))Qur'an 6:102
So if you believe that God had created jesus like you said, why then you calling him son of God not messenger of God, if God hadcreated all things and jesus too, that means that we should worshiphim alone, worship the One who created all things, worship the Creator alone whithout any partners ((…the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone) )) Qur'an 6:102

dont believe what i said,it is God that calls him, this is my beloved son.
we are all children of God yes, the angels also are the sons of GOD. but this JESUS is GODS own word
that he tuned into flesh,GODS word walking amongst men, so men can see him, and tough him, and eat, and
drink with him. GODS word walking on earth, in the form of a man,and he is called jesus.
GODS word is truth so this JESUS preach the truth, he does not lie, we must believe him, and do.
many believe him,satan also believe in JESUS,but he trembles. so it is not enough to believe in him,we must
follow his words, his commandments. you worship GODS word ,you worship GOD. if you worship GOD you also must follow his words. you dishonour his words, you dishonour GOD. there is no man speaking the truth
like JESUS. hecan not lie.everything that proceeded out of the mouth of GOD is truth.
JESUS is the man to worship and no one else. ; I AM THE WAY THE LIFE AND THE TRUTH.
YOU HAVE A NICE DAY.
WAKEUP.

 

[Devolution]

Satan's job is to cause division and he has no better servant than Wakeup who causes much. Instead of trying to help anyone draw closer to a relationship with the creator he will cause confusion to those who are trying to find real help in meaning.
Can anyone on this webb honestly say how much of a deeper walk they have had because of Wakeup?

YOU would be VERY ashamed if you knew this most humble man. A sincere man of God. Blessed with knowledge and discernment who only lives to please the Lord. I have seen him mocked in his own home by a very ugly natured person, yet wakeup never once said a bad word against him, instead he said we needed to pray for him. Is this the nature of Satans servant? Or is the one who accuses someone they have never met as being Satans servant actually the true servant of that one? By our words we are justified, and by our words we are condemned.

 

[Devolution]

This is all true... BUT... it is only a small portion of the real truth. Trinity is error, especially Filioque. All the God-models are insufficient and incomplete. But this is barely even touching the depth of truth that it implies.

God, His OWN Word, and His OWN Spirit (of Truth) is closer to truth than orthodoxy OR non-orthodoxy belief, but is also not fully expressive of the truth. Still insufficient and incomplete. Launch out into the deep. A huge key is in John 15:26 with proceedeth (exporeuomai).

You're 10% of the way there; now just come the other 90%.

Actually, wakeup is only giving 10%. If you look to previous posts, the Word is explained. So your claim is premature. Are you attempting to justify yourself?

John 15:26 is Gods OWN Word proceeding. And what is the Father's, is the Sons. This is why in other places it is said that this Word was Christs. But, it actually COMES from the Father. So..THAT Word is DIVIDABLE. THAT Word is put into men. To GROW individually, GRAFTING and GROWING at different paces within individual persons. So that proves in itself that the Word DIVIDES. And since it divides, and is LIVING, and proceeds from God, then whichever "portion" of that Word God decides to keep aside, this being the "living portion" that created everything, it was THAT kept aside living conscious portion that was GRAFTED onto Jesus' OWN soul. Melchizedek was PURE Word...sound familiar? So, THAT creative kept aside living Word became ONE with Jesus. So NOW Jesus did indeed create everything. For that which was PUT inside of Him, He became ONE with.

And if He became ONE with that GRAFTED Word, then everything that Word did prior to Christs birth, NOW Christ did it too. For they became ONE. And that GRAFTING is ONLY COMPLETED by the Father at the point of RESURRECTION. God the Fathers DIRECT intervention. And when Jesus cried out on the cross, Why hast Thou forsaken Me, it was because God REMOVED that Word from Jesus. For Jesus became symbolic of the worlds sin, and the full measure of that pure Word does not dwell with sin. And Jesus had that PURE Word FULL MEASURE. For we know that if we fall away from God, He will take His word out of us...so we see, it is REMOVABLE, for ONLY at resurrection is the GRAFTING process completed...completed by the Father's DIRECT intervention. So to claim wakeup doesn't understand this is erroneous presupposition.