THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

[TheDivineWatermark]

NO.
The whole doctrine of rapture comes from a misunderstanding of the scriptural phrase "caught up in the air". If these words were not used then doctrine would not have been...
Caught up doesn't mean flying off.
Many OT prophets prophesied about resurrection but not the rapture - how comes?

Because "Rapture" was not promised to OT saints, "resurrection [to stand again on the earth]" was!

"Rapture" pertains SOLELY to "the Church which is His body" [Eph1:20-23 WHEN], not to all other saints of all OTHER time periods: not to OT saints [per Dan12:13, Job19:25-27, Jn11:24, Matt8:11, etc], not to Trib saints [per Rev20:4b], not to MK saints ["Rapture" took place WELL-BEFORE anyone will be BORN in/during the MK age]... What the "[NT] apostles and prophets" had to say, they said to [to/for/about] "the Church which is His body" (i.e. pertaining to what will happen regarding US). What Act3, for example, refers to [specifically], by contrast, is [v.21] "of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age" [that is, by means of the OT prophets, speaking of things pertaining to the EARTHLY MK age, etc [including their "resurrection [to stand again on the earth]" (NOT "our RAPTURE ['IN THE AIR']" and the things pertaining TO IT [wholly distinct PURPOSES!])].

 

[Noose]

Because "Rapture" was not promised to OT saints, "resurrection [to stand again on the earth]" was!

"Rapture" pertains SOLELY to "the Church which is His body" [Eph1:20-23 WHEN], not to all other saints of all OTHER time periods: not to OT saints [per Dan12:13, Job19:25-27, Jn11:24, Matt8:11, etc], not to Trib saints [per Rev20:4b], not to MK saints ["Rapture" took place WELL-BEFORE anyone will be BORN in/during the MK age]... What the "[NT] apostles and prophets" had to say, they said to [to/for/about] "the Church which is His body" (i.e. pertaining to what will happen regarding US). What Act3, for example, refers to [specifically], by contrast, is [v.21] "of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from the age" [that is, by means of the OT prophets, speaking of things pertaining to the EARTHLY MK age, etc [including their "resurrection [to stand again on the earth]" (NOT "our RAPTURE ['IN THE AIR']" and the things pertaining TO IT [wholly distinct PURPOSES!])].

I was talking about prophesy. How comes the prophets prophesied about resurrection (of the church and everyone) but never prophesied about rapture?

 

[VCO]

Let me ask you,,in the end, after they build an temple and make sacrifices does this save them or does the Scipture say they recieve Jesus as Messiah and Savior?

The JEWS will absolutely Build the Third Temple. I have a thread, that has Evidence of that:
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/third-temple-news.155526/

THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY THAT THE PEOPLE CAN COME BY FAITH, TO GOD. IT IS THE SAME SALVATION IN THE O.T times, N.T. times, and in the FUTURE.

Malachi 3:6 (HCSB)
6 “Because I, Yahweh, have not changed,
you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.


Therefore if we can find ONE WAY that Clearly Shows how GOD SAVED a man, THEN, we will KNOW how GOD SAVES ALL MEN.

Galatians 3:6-7 (HCSB)
6 Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness,
7 then understand that those who have faith are Abraham’s sons.


First LET ME POINT OUT, Abraham was to be Father of MANY nations NOT ONE, so we are not Spiritual Israelites.

So What did ABRAHAM Believe about GOD, when GOD spared Isaac ? ? ?


Abraham BELIEVED GOD WOULD SEND A MESSIAH TO PAY FOR OUR SINS.

AND

ALL TRUE BELIEVER'S Today BELIEVE GOD DID SEND A MESSIAH TO PAY FOR OUR SINS.


THAT IS THE EXACT SAME FAITH THAT ABRAHAM HAD.

The blood of animals did not PAY IN FULL for the Sins of the People in Old Testament TIMES.

Th Blood of Animals, Only SHOWED them in a PERFECT Picture Prophecy, that Sin HAD TO BE PAID FOR IN FULL WITH THE HOLY BLOOD OF MESSIAH. Yes, Jews should have KNOWN THIS, but the Majority of them DID NOT RECOGNIZE HIM as the MESSIAH.

MANY PEOPLE have forgotten that GOD said Long ago in ISAIAH:

Isaiah 1:11 (HCSB)
11 “What are all your sacrifices to Me?” asks the LORD. “I have had enough of burnt offerings and rams and the fat of well-fed cattle;
I have no desire for the blood of bulls, lambs, or male goats.


Therefore most of the Jews. MISSED the whole point of the Animal Sacrifice System.


So Genuine Faith has ALWAYS BEEN Those who had FAITH that GOD would send the MESSIAH, to Pay for our SINS, and Messiah is JESUS CHRIST, GOD IN THE FLESH.


IF there EVER will BE animal Sacrifice in the THIRD TEMPLE, (which I doubt), they will not SAVE them, Their FAITH IN THE MESSIAH will SAVE THEM. You see, I think they WILL BE POINTED TO THEIR HOLY SACRIFICE OF MESSIAH by the TWO WITNESSES, and THEY WILL RECOGNIZE JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR TRUE MESSIAH. There for the Sacrifice that honors MESSIAH, is the Sacrifice of FIRST FRUITS.

 

[VCO]

Not everyone sees the Church beginning at the same times. Acts 2 dispensationist see it beginning in Acts 2(A2D),,Acts 9 Dispensationist say it began in Acts 9(A9D). Acts 13 Dispensationals say it began in Acts 13, A28D's say it began in Acts 28 in the prison epistles Paul wrote and another group is B.W.Newton but their are others also now days.

There are other,,,, "camps",,,(positions held in eschatology) A millennial, peterist ect. also but the just of it is that they see the Church beginning and the OT ending at some point in time and see one or another prophecy fulfilled or not in a past tense or future tense. I apologize that this seems complicated but I condensed things in my explanation(there are other camps too,lol)that I left out. In short it's why we all see when things like the Resurrection, rapture,,Church beginning, OT ending,,,whose in the the body of Christ,whoes not ect.ect. were fulfilled or if their still future tense.

The Birthday of the CHURCH (New Testament ASSEMBLY) is the Day of Pentecost, after JESUS ascended into heaven.

You seem to be influenced BY EVERY WIND OF DOCTRINE.


Ephesians 4:14-15 (NKJV)
14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,
15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head--Christ--

 

[VCO]

Technically it is given in the O.T. and you are dealing with one that is as dense as lead and rejects truth on a regular basis...

Enoch
Elijah

Two examples of MEN that did what exactly....??

I KNOW! I KNOW!

 

[iamsoandso]

The JEWS will absolutely Build the Third Temple. I have a thread, that has Evidence of that:
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/third-temple-news.155526/

THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY THAT THE PEOPLE CAN COME BY FAITH, TO GOD. IT IS THE SAME SALVATION IN THE O.T times, N.T. times, and in the FUTURE.

Malachi 3:6 (HCSB)
6 “Because I, Yahweh, have not changed,
you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.


Therefore if we can find ONE WAY that Clearly Shows how GOD SAVED a man, THEN, we will KNOW how GOD SAVES ALL MEN.

Galatians 3:6-7 (HCSB)
6 Just as Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness,
7 then understand that those who have faith are Abraham’s sons.


First LET ME POINT OUT, Abraham was to be Father of MANY nations NOT ONE, so we are not Spiritual Israelites.

So What did ABRAHAM Believe about GOD, when GOD spared Isaac ? ? ?


Abraham BELIEVED GOD WOULD SEND A MESSIAH TO PAY FOR OUR SINS.

AND

ALL TRUE BELIEVER'S Today BELIEVE GOD DID SEND A MESSIAH TO PAY FOR OUR SINS.


THAT IS THE EXACT SAME FAITH THAT ABRAHAM HAD.

The blood of animals did not PAY IN FULL for the Sins of the People in Old Testament TIMES.

Th Blood of Animals, Only SHOWED them in a PERFECT Picture Prophecy, that Sin HAD TO BE PAID FOR IN FULL WITH THE HOLY BLOOD OF MESSIAH. Yes, Jews should have KNOWN THIS, but the Majority of them DID NOT RECOGNIZE HIM as the MESSIAH.

MANY PEOPLE have forgotten that GOD said Long ago in ISAIAH:

Isaiah 1:11 (HCSB)
11 “What are all your sacrifices to Me?” asks the LORD. “I have had enough of burnt offerings and rams and the fat of well-fed cattle;
I have no desire for the blood of bulls, lambs, or male goats.


Therefore most of the Jews. MISSED the whole point of the Animal Sacrifice System.


So Genuine Faith has ALWAYS BEEN Those who had FAITH that GOD would send the MESSIAH, to Pay for our SINS, and Messiah is JESUS CHRIST, GOD IN THE FLESH.


IF there EVER will BE animal Sacrifice in the THIRD TEMPLE, (which I doubt), they will not SAVE them, Their FAITH IN THE MESSIAH will SAVE THEM. You see, I think they WILL BE POINTED TO THEIR HOLY SACRIFICE OF MESSIAH by the TWO WITNESSES, and THEY WILL RECOGNIZE JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR TRUE MESSIAH. There for the Sacrifice that honors MESSIAH, is the Sacrifice of FIRST FRUITS....

hey that's good that you see this,,we should skip the other part.

 

[iamsoandso]

The Birthday of the CHURCH (New Testament ASSEMBLY) is the Day of Pentecost, after JESUS ascended into heaven.

You seem to be influenced BY EVERY WIND OF DOCTRINE.


Ephesians 4:14-15 (NKJV)
14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,
15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head--Christ--

lol, he ask me what those abbreviations meant and I told him,,you read it and think it says my position in eschatology.

 

[VCO]

And I also believe the O.T. Saints will be Part of the Bride, as well as US.

Isaiah 54:5-6 (HCSB)
5 Indeed, your husband is your Maker— His name is Yahweh of Hosts— and the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; He is called the God of all the earth.
6 For the LORD has called you, like a wife deserted and wounded in spirit, a wife of one’s youth when she is rejected,” says your God.

Isaiah 62:5 (HCSB)
5 For as a young man marries a young woman, so your sons will marry you; and as a groom rejoices over ⌊his⌋ bride, so your God will rejoice over you.

 

[VCO]

hey that's good that you see this,,we should skip the other part.

Thank You, by over the Years I have had some of the best Teachers, to they get the Credit.

 

[Melach]

Abraham BELIEVED GOD WOULD SEND A MESSIAH TO PAY FOR OUR SINS.


IF there EVER will BE animal Sacrifice in the THIRD TEMPLE, (which I doubt), they will not SAVE them, Their FAITH IN THE MESSIAH will SAVE THEM. You see, I think they WILL BE POINTED TO THEIR HOLY SACRIFICE OF MESSIAH by the TWO WITNESSES, and THEY WILL RECOGNIZE JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR TRUE MESSIAH. There for the Sacrifice that honors MESSIAH, is the Sacrifice of FIRST FRUITS.

hello brother VCO. i ask this in a spirit of learning, truly with no intention of debate. separate to rapture issue my questions are these:

where does it say Abraham(or some other patriarch) believed God would send a Messiah to pay for our sins.

if there wont be sacrifices in the third temple, how can daniel 9:27 be fulfilled.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

in order for it to cease it must start first right? what am i misunderstanding? thank you VCO. and anyone else who wants to correct me.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I was talking about prophesy. How comes the prophets prophesied about resurrection (of the church and everyone) but never prophesied about rapture?

[note: I really hate making long posts because no one ever reads them with att'n to detail but with their eyes picking out and resting upon only those portions that jump out to them while SKIMMING; but as your question requires some "re-adjustment" in thinking, this "lengthiness" becomes necessary (note esp where I speak of "prophets")]


Tell me if you can detect any difference between the following two sets of passages:

--"of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from [G575 - apo] the age." Acts 3:21

(this ^ is the OT prophets. They spoke NOTHING re: "RAPTURE," only spoke re: "resurrection [to stand again on the earth]"--And note, in Acts 3, Peter is addressing "ye men of Israel" v.2 [as-yet unsaved persons in this context, per vv.13-15,17-19])


[and as for the "NOW"] -

--"4 which, by reading, you are able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as now it has been revealed in the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets [that is, the NT "apostles and prophets" (when referred to together like this)],
[...]
9 and to enlighten all what is the administration of the mystery having been hidden from the ages in God..." Eph3; and

--"25 Now to Him being able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery having been kept secret in times of the ages, 26 but now having been made manifest also through the prophetic Scriptures..." Rom16 ... [recall Jesus' words in Jn16:12-15 ("I have YET MANY THINGS TO SAY unto you")! And then recall Jesus' words also in Matt22:8 "THEN SAITH HE to" (which necessarily FOLLOWS the 70ad events told of in v.7! So here the LATER 95ad Revelation qualifies)]


[note also: Rom16:20 had just said, "20 And IN QUICKNESS [NOUN] the God of peace will crush Satan under YOUR feet" which is the same "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period that is "future" and referred to in Rev1:1[1:19c/4:1] (referring there, though [re: chpts 6-19], to what will unfold upon the EARTH [emph. primarily]), but here in Rom16:20, it is addressed to "the Church which is His body" and the action described HERE necessitates our relocation (i.e. the displacement of the current "power of THE AIR"), and the OT saints simply were not promised THAT TASK! (NO "Rapture" was promised THEM! only "resurrection [to stand again ON THE EARTH]")]


[recall the distinction between "FROM [G575 - apo] the foundation of the world" and "BEFORE [G4253 - pro] the foundation of the world" and note the distinct persons to whom EACH of these TWO separate phrases distinctively pertain; and I already pointed out Ephesians 1:20-23 which should be read carefully to note to/of WHEN it refers because this is related to everything I just spelled out, above (and, again, Eph1:10 does not speak to the "NOW")]


The OT saints WELL-KNEW of "resurrection [to stand again on the earth]" (and that it would take place "IN THE LAST DAY" [the 7th Day]); what WASN'T disclosed to them was [in terms of spelled-out "prophecies"]) anything regarding "RAPTURE [the meeting of the Lord IN THE AIR]"... and this does not take place at the same point in time [(tho also involving "resurrection") recall, Paul's use of "THIS corruptible [this is "the DEAD IN Christ"]" and "THIS mortal" speaks [both speak] SPECIFICALLY of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY [/US!]" (at a distinct time slot!)--so that all of the above (my entire post) covers what Scripture reveals, which is, that which pertains to "the glory of God in two realms"], and, so... (as to the entire post)... we can see in "TYPE" that Adam, in Gen2:22-24, was UNIONED with Eve BEFORE the 7th Day commenced [i.e. before the "7th day/last day"] (this is a "great mystery" re: the Eph thing ).

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ EDITING to clarify: In past posts, I've written (and the above post should be corrected to say):

[the TWO running concurrently ^ but in distinct locations and with distinct purposes] This is what I mean [...] this pertains to "the glory of God in two spheres".

(...keeping in mind that Eph1:10 is not speaking of the "NOW"/"in this present age [singular]")

 

[Noose]

[note: I really hate making long posts because no one ever reads them with att'n to detail but with their eyes picking out and resting upon only those portions that jump out to them while SKIMMING; but as your question requires some "re-adjustment" in thinking, this "lengthiness" becomes necessary (note esp where I speak of "prophets")]


Tell me if you can detect any difference between the following two sets of passages:

--"of all things of which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from [G575 - apo] the age." Acts 3:21

(this ^ is the OT prophets. They spoke NOTHING re: "RAPTURE," only spoke re: "resurrection [to stand again on the earth]"--And note, in Acts 3, Peter is addressing "ye men of Israel" v.2 [as-yet unsaved persons in this context, per vv.13-15,17-19])


[and as for the "NOW"] -

--"4 which, by reading, you are able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as now it has been revealed in the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets [that is, the NT "apostles and prophets" (when referred to together like this)],
[...]
9 and to enlighten all what is the administration of the mystery having been hidden from the ages in God..." Eph3; and

--"25 Now to Him being able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery having been kept secret in times of the ages, 26 but now having been made manifest also through the prophetic Scriptures..." Rom16 ... [recall Jesus' words in Jn16:12-15 ("I have YET MANY THINGS TO SAY unto you")! And then recall Jesus' words also in Matt22:8 "THEN SAITH HE to" (which necessarily FOLLOWS the 70ad events told of in v.7! So here the LATER 95ad Revelation qualifies)]


[note also: Rom16:20 had just said, "20 And IN QUICKNESS [NOUN] the God of peace will crush Satan under YOUR feet" which is the same "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period that is "future" and referred to in Rev1:1[1:19c/4:1] (referring there, though [re: chpts 6-19], to what will unfold upon the EARTH [emph. primarily]), but here in Rom16:20, it is addressed to "the Church which is His body" and the action described HERE necessitates our relocation (i.e. the displacement of the current "power of THE AIR"), and the OT saints simply were not promised THAT TASK! (NO "Rapture" was promised THEM! only "resurrection [to stand again ON THE EARTH]")]


[recall the distinction between "FROM [G575 - apo] the foundation of the world" and "BEFORE [G4253 - pro] the foundation of the world" and note the distinct persons to whom EACH of these TWO separate phrases distinctively pertain; and I already pointed out Ephesians 1:20-23 which should be read carefully to note to/of WHEN it refers because this is related to everything I just spelled out, above (and, again, Eph1:10 does not speak to the "NOW")]


The OT saints WELL-KNEW of "resurrection [to stand again on the earth]" (and that it would take place "IN THE LAST DAY" [the 7th Day]); what WASN'T disclosed to them was [in terms of spelled-out "prophecies"]) anything regarding "RAPTURE [the meeting of the Lord IN THE AIR]"... and this does not take place at the same point in time [(tho also involving "resurrection") recall, Paul's use of "THIS corruptible [this is "the DEAD IN Christ"]" and "THIS mortal" speaks [both speak] SPECIFICALLY of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY [/US!]" (at a distinct time slot!)--so that all of the above (my entire post) covers what Scripture reveals, which is, that which pertains to "the glory of God in two realms"], and, so... (as to the entire post)... we can see in "TYPE" that Adam, in Gen2:22-24, was UNIONED with Eve BEFORE the 7th Day commenced [i.e. before the "7th day/last day"] (this is a "great mystery" re: the Eph thing ).

This is not an explanation as to why the OT prophets did not prophesy about rapture.

1. Prophesy is just prophesy, as a prophet, you don't need to necessarily know what it is about or understand it. Daniel tried but he could not, he took a 3 week sick off.

2. The OT prophets prophesied mysteries that were later explained by Jesus and the apostles. They also prophesied things that were never meant for them.

3. Resurrection and rapture as is being taught goes hand in hand and they are not separate events. No reason for the prophets to talk about one and not the other.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

This is not an explanation as to why the OT prophets did not prophesy about rapture.

Why would they have needed to?

It pertains SOLELY to "the Church which is His body" (EPH 1:20-23! WHEN -- plz read carefully these few verses to note as to when and whom it refers)

1. Prophesy is just prophesy, as a prophet, you don't need to necessarily know what it is about or understand it. Daniel tried but he could not, he took a 3 week sick off.

True. But Daniel was only given to "prophesy" regarding his [Daniel's] ppl (and the "Gentile domination over Israel [/Daniel's ppl]" represented by Neb's "dream/statue/image" with Neb as "head of gold"... ALL "earthly" occurrences and ppl.

2. The OT prophets prophesied mysteries that were later explained by Jesus and the apostles. They also prophesied things that were never meant for them.

you, here, are referring to "and the glory that should follow" (1Pet1:11), right?

But surely you are not suggesting that OT saints could not have salvation, right?

[quoting Gaebelein]

"They knew that it was not for themselves, nor for their own times, that which the Spirit had announced, but for another time. The passage is illustrated by comparing Isaiah 64:4 with 1Corinthians 2:9-10. The Spirit having come down from heaven after Christ had died and was raised from among the dead, has made known the fullness of redemption. And the angels desire to look into these things; they seek to explore and to fathom the wonders of that redemption and the coming glories which are connected with it." - Gaebelein.

In my view, this doesn't mean that the OT prophets had to speak of "our Rapture," which the NT "apostles and prophets" spoke of with regard [SOLELY] to those to whom IT [RAPTURE] pertains (i.e. "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY")... and it seems to me that you do not believe He could have given the NT "apostles and prophets" anything further to reveal [to/for/about "the Church which is His body" per EPH1:20-23's WHEN] (as He'd said He would do, in John 16:12-14, just before His death, and by means of the HOLY SPIRIT [1Cor2!], which in the earlier John 7:39 "was not yet given BECAUSE..." [so, speaking of AFTER His exaltation!]), so that these "[NT] apostles and prophets," according to you, are basically "not counting" as such, huh??

3. Resurrection and rapture as is being taught goes hand in hand and they are not separate events. No reason for the prophets to talk about one and not the other.

You've apparently missed all of my posts referring to "G3313 - meros" and "G1538 - Hekastos" (where used)... back to square one, for you! lol

 

[Noose]

Why would they have needed to?

It pertains SOLELY to "the Church which is His body" (EPH 1:20-23! WHEN -- plz read carefully these few verses to note as to when and whom it refers)

1.Why did they prophesy about resurrection if Paul and other apostles would talk about it?

2. Why was it necessary to prophesy part of an event (resurrection) and leave the other part (Rapture)?
Resurrection pertains the church too.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

1.Why did they prophesy about resurrection if Paul and other apostles would talk about it?

They spoke of the "resurrection [to stand again on the earth]"... (Job well-knew of THIS one! Daniel well-knew of THIS one! Abraham well-knew of THIS one! Martha well-knew of THIS one! IT WAS NO MYSTERY! ALL OT saints WELL-KNEW of THIS one! [It pertains to them, so why shouldn't they have known of it??])

2. Why was it necessary to prophesy part of an event (resurrection) and leave the other part (Rapture)?
Resurrection pertains the church too.

When Paul wrote, "I show you a mystery"... and then said "THIS corruptible" and "THIS mortal," ... the "THIS corruptible" speaks in particular of the "resurrection [to stand again]" of those who have DIED "IN CHRIST" (that part of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" [note again EPH1:20-23 WHEN] who have previously DIED [but not all saints in the OT, here, as this is not the CONTEXT for that, Paul is speaking of "THIS corruptible [the dead IN CHRIST (of the "ONE BODY"/"ONE NEW MAN")]"!])... and "THIS mortal" [same as 2Cor5:2-4!!] speaks of the "still-living/alive" portion of "the Church which is His body"... and how both together will be "changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye" (at the last trumpet [note: not the "7th [judgment] trumpet" of Rev])... i.e. pertaining to OUR Rapture (not the OT saints' resurrection, nor the Trib saints' resurrection... and this has to do with those two Grk words I pointed out in the last post [<--IOW, there doesn't remain only ONE, per those specific words, in their specific contexts... and also considering the examination of the "chronology"])


[again, this also pertains to the "BEFORE the foundation of the world" and the "FROM the foundation of the world" distinctions! (to whom they distinctly pertain)]

 

[KJV1611]

1.Why did they prophesy about resurrection if Paul and other apostles would talk about it?

2. Why was it necessary to prophesy part of an event (resurrection) and leave the other part (Rapture)?
Resurrection pertains the church too.

Luk 16:16 (KJV) The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

I take that to mean that NO ONE from John forward gave any NEW information that wasn’t already mentioned in the Old Testament.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Btw.
Your model ASSUMES resurrection also includes a ascention.

No. It does not.

Your pre-conceived notions are making you imagine this is what I've said. But I have not. (Nor do I believe this to be the case, nor something I have "overlooked," or the like.)

 

[KJV1611]

@TheDivineWatermark

Dan 12:2 (KJV) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Why is the above “that which was spoken of by the prophets” - not the fulfillment below?

Mat 27:52 (KJV) And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Mat 27:53 (KJV) And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

 

[Absolutely]

There is NO "RAPTURE" after the trib... only "resurrection" (for OT saints [Dan12:13, etc], and for Trib saints who DIED in the trib [Rev20:4b]). "Rapture" pertains SOLELY to "the Church which is His body" and took place years before this point in the chronology.

It is your faulty idea of the "FEAST/SUPPER" being held "UP IN Heaven" that would require such an idea, but as scripture would have it, "the kingdom OF THE heavenS" does NOT mean "UP IN Heaven" (only "the MARRIAGE" itself, takes place "up there" [this being the distinct between "the Day of Christ/our Lord Jesus Christ" (up in Heaven, WITH [G4862 - UNION-with] HIM), and "the Day of the Lord" (which is a time-period unfolding entirely upon the earth)--note: 2Th2:2 refers to the latter of these two, and should be translated such ('the DOTL')])

Tell it to Jesus
HE SAID "i will not drink of the vine until i drink it anew in my fathers kingdom"
"I go to prepare a place for you (in heaven) that where i am. You will be also."

In rev 19 it says the bride has become the wife.

I dont need to to be in heaven. That is just where it is all happening.

You have the final war and slaughter happening on earth,then the court or tribunal where the devil is chained immeditely after the second coming.

Now no telling how long before the imagined wedding supper on earth (the brides house)

Yet another road block. You have the bride and groom having the feast at the brides house (earth)
The idea of a post trib earthly setting for the fesst is insupportable.

The last supper was in the UPPER ROOM.

All arrows point to a feast in heaven