THE CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE, to go to The Wedding of the Lamb

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iamsoandso

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I respectfully decline, I am not interested.

Your trying to pull your hair out over who is saved,when where and how. I did that too for a great multitude of years across my life. I thought if I do this I would be. I looked at others and thought they were not. I was scared to death that if he didn't show me step by step what to say to my loved ones and have them do those things they wouldn't be saved.

I confess though I was the one who didn't believe he saved me or my loved ones. He was never going to deny his own blood nor was his father by telling me anything other than the Cross. I was the one who denied the Cross till I saw it and then all my payers were answered.
 

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Your trying to pull your hair out over who is saved,when where and how. I did that too for a great multitude of years across my life. I thought if I do this I would be. I looked at others and thought they were not. I was scared to death that if he didn't show me step by step what to say to my loved ones and have them do those things they wouldn't be saved.

I confess though I was the one who didn't believe he saved me or my loved ones. He was never going to deny his own blood nor was his father by telling me anything other than the Cross. I was the one who denied the Cross till I saw it and then all my payers were answered.

No I am not. I KNOW exactly who the Scripture says are the SAVED. I am not 70 years old, and IN KNEW HIM, when I was 29 years old. HE used me a lot over the years, and I believe HE has more for me to do, or I would already be dead.
 

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No I am not. I KNOW exactly who the Scripture says are the SAVED. I am not 70 years old, and IN KNEW HIM, when I was 29 years old. HE used me a lot over the years, and I believe HE has more for me to do, or I would already be dead.

Let me ask you,,in the end, after they build an temple and make sacrifices does this save them or does the Scipture say they recieve Jesus as Messiah and Savior?
 

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I have studied about the Bride of Christ. It appears that there was an undivided Kingdom under David and Solomon. Then after Solomon the kingdom divided, The House of Judah and The House of Israel. God ended up divorcing the House of Israel. They were first taken into captivity by Assyria in 721 BC and then later scattered throughout the earth. Because they never repented and returned to God, as the House of Judah did after their 70 years in Babylonian captivity, they multiplied and filled the earth and forgot where they came from and who their God was. Because God divorced The House of Israel for their adultress lifestyle, ie serving other gods, God stated in His own Law, Deut. 24:1-4, that He could never remarry them. The only recourse was for God to die, resurrect and then take them to be His Bride. Sound familiar? Jesus, who was The WORD come alive, willfully martyred Himself so that He could die and resurrect and marry those God had divorced. The Gentiles are mostly the lost sheep, the ten tribes of Israel, and Jesus has come to bring the Kingdom back to the undivided Kingdom. Most Christians don't read the stories in the Torah or the Prophets or the Writings (we call it the Old Testament) because they think it does not pertain to them.

Released from the Law
Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

What LAW DO THEY KNOW?
Laws Concerning Divorce
Deu 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
Deu 24:2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
Deu 24:3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
Deu 24:4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

WAS JEREMIAH PERPLEXED HOW GOD COULD REMARRY THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL SINCE HIS OWN LAW FORBID TAKING HER BACK?
Jer 3:1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.

Jesus came to be Immanuel "God with us" and he was sinless and He died so that the NEW COVENANT could be made with all the people and nations of the whole earth.

I believe we are to be adopted or grafted in to the Commonwealth of Israel. This is our calling, to lay down our lives with Christ and to raise up a new life, that has been washed and made ready for the Bridegroom for when He comes back from His Father's house to collect His Bride.
Well spoken. And very interesting perspective.
 

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Hello VCO! Very sorry to hear about all the strokes and all in that one month!!! It's good that you're doing well on Xaelto. It's even better to know that when the Lord does take you, your spirit will be in best place you could ever be in and free of all that, looking for your immortal and glorified body.

In regards to the OT saints, I don't believe that they are apart of the church, but belong to the OT saints of Israel and will most likely be resurrected at the time when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age.

Regarding "other sheep" I have always believed that Jesus was referring to the Gentile believers, not the OT saints.

Also, because Jesus said, " I will build My church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it," with "I will build" being in the "future, indicative, active" tense, meaning that the church hadn't been built yet and therefore could not include the OT saints. Otherwise He would have said, "I will continue to build, or I will add to."



I also do not believe that the tribulation saints are apart of the church. In my understanding, the church period ends when the Lord appears to gather us. This is why the word ekklesia/church is never used to describe the great tribulation saints. The fact that after John had previously written letters to the seven churches and then in chapter 7 the elder asks John who these in white robes are, would infer that they were not the church. In further support of this, John doesn't recognize who this group is, ergo, not the church.
Agree, the indications are that there are in fact several categories of Saints, with differing phases of them being glorified.
The ultimate form will be One Flock.....eventually.
 
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There is no rapture in rev 20.
Those are beheaded believers that have already been established in heaven and assigned thrones.
They are the same ones we see early on in the trib as the innumerable number.
No rapture or resurrection in rev 20
Im pretty sure folks coming to life is a resurrection. Rest of the dead LIVED NOT until...... <- resurrection.

Absolutely says: No rapture or resurrection in rev 20.
Revelation 20 says: this is the first resurrection. -> came to life -> rest of the dead lived not until......

I'll take what the Bible says over your strange doctrines any day!

How can you say no resurrection in rev20 when the word is used in the chapter. UNBELIEVABLE the state we are in today in Christianity. COME ON PEOPLE!
 

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No one is leaving the earth, pre, mid or post anything.
 
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Im pretty sure folks coming to life is a resurrection. Rest of the dead LIVED NOT until...... <- resurrection.

Absolutely says: No rapture or resurrection in rev 20.
Revelation 20 says: this is the first resurrection. -> came to life -> rest of the dead lived not until......

I'll take what the Bible says over your strange doctrines any day!

How can you say no resurrection in rev20 when the word is used in the chapter. UNBELIEVABLE the state we are in today in Christianity. COME ON PEOPLE!
Go read it again
DOES NOT SAY ANYONE "CAME TO LIFE" AFTER THE GT.

I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

You inserted a resurrection there.
What translatiin you got niv?

That translation will embarass you when a greek centered brother debates you.
I check up one side and down the other before i take a position.

There is ZERO there about a resurrection after the gt. (Pre mil)
 
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From the link;
Both Newton and Darby earlier held a historicistview, and hence a post tribulational position, believing that they were living in the final years of Daniel's 70th week, with the Pope being Antichrist. This view became increasingly under question as the supposed relevance attached to Napoleon and the socio-political turmoil of the French Revolution did not lead directly to an anticipated end of the world. This encouraged the search for other interpretations, some being more new and novel than others, to Biblical passages such as Daniel 9.

Seems darby had the high ground
 
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Im pretty sure folks coming to life is a resurrection. Rest of the dead LIVED NOT until...... <- resurrection.

Absolutely says: No rapture or resurrection in rev 20.
Revelation 20 says: this is the first resurrection. -> came to life -> rest of the dead lived not until......

I'll take what the Bible says over your strange doctrines any day!

How can you say no resurrection in rev20 when the word is used in the chapter. UNBELIEVABLE the state we are in today in Christianity. COME ON PEOPLE!
""I'll take what the Bible says over your strange doctrines any day!""

Lol.
You really get owned with that niv huh?
Too funny
 
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Let me ask you,,in the end, after they build an temple and make sacrifices does this save them or does the Scipture say they recieve Jesus as Messiah and Savior?
I have heard people say the temple and animal sacrifice will be present in the mil.
I kinda doubt it,but i nebercreseached it.
Others worry themselves about "tribulation saints" and say "but who will populate earth in the mil"

Those things will be evident in the mil.
I,will do like you and watch what they say. Lol
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Go read it again
DOES NOT SAY ANYONE "CAME TO LIFE" AFTER THE GT.
I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
You inserted a resurrection there.
[…]
There is ZERO there about a resurrection after the gt. (Pre mil)
It's the same word used in Revelation 2:8 -

https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/2-8.htm - G2198 - ezēsen (Rev2:8)

https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/20-4.htm - G2198 - ezēsan (Rev20:4)


Besides that, the word "souls" is used in several other places in scripture, to mean "persons [that is, who are alive and have bodies]"... for example, Acts 7:14, Acts 27:37, and 1 Peter 3:20 (none of these are referring to body-less "souls" floating around. ;) )


So yes, Rev20:4b is speaking of those trib saints who DIED in the trib, now alive ("resurrected") to reign with Him for 1000 years (and this "resurrection" [not "RAPTURE"] for them takes place AFTER/AT END of trib).
 
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No one is leaving the earth, pre, mid or post anything.

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I have studied about the Bride of Christ. It appears that there was an undivided Kingdom under David and Solomon. Then after Solomon the kingdom divided, The House of Judah and The House of Israel. God ended up divorcing the House of Israel. They were first taken into captivity by Assyria in 721 BC and then later scattered throughout the earth. Because they never repented and returned to God, as the House of Judah did after their 70 years in Babylonian captivity, they multiplied and filled the earth and forgot where they came from and who their God was. Because God divorced The House of Israel for their adultress lifestyle, ie serving other gods, God stated in His own Law, Deut. 24:1-4, that He could never remarry them. The only recourse was for God to die, resurrect and then take them to be His Bride. Sound familiar? Jesus, who was The WORD come alive, willfully martyred Himself so that He could die and resurrect and marry those God had divorced. The Gentiles are mostly the lost sheep, the ten tribes of Israel, and Jesus has come to bring the Kingdom back to the undivided Kingdom. Most Christians don't read the stories in the Torah or the Prophets or the Writings (we call it the Old Testament) because they think it does not pertain to them.

Released from the Law
Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

What LAW DO THEY KNOW?
Laws Concerning Divorce
Deu 24:1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
Deu 24:2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.
Deu 24:3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
Deu 24:4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

WAS JEREMIAH PERPLEXED HOW GOD COULD REMARRY THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL SINCE HIS OWN LAW FORBID TAKING HER BACK?
Jer 3:1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.

Jesus came to be Immanuel "God with us" and he was sinless and He died so that the NEW COVENANT could be made with all the people and nations of the whole earth.

I believe we are to be adopted or grafted in to the Commonwealth of Israel. This is our calling, to lay down our lives with Christ and to raise up a new life, that has been washed and made ready for the Bridegroom for when He comes back from His Father's house to collect His Bride.
Ruth is the picture of jesus and the bride.
Jesus was not of the livitical/israel lineage.
He was of Judah.
The change was concerning priesthood.
But the bride,"Ruth" was NOT of israel.
Naomi family was wiped out in moab.
Only Ruth clung to Naomi and her God became Ruths God. Ruth forsook all she knew and false gods to be under Naomi's God.
That is us as born again gentiles. We,in a sense,come into christianity through the judeo religion.
Then we see Boaz (Jesus) takes his gentile bride at THE REDEEMING OF THE LAND.
IOW, we see the gentile come into the kingdom through the jew,then the jew come in through the gentile bride.

Judeo/christian dynamic
 

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No one is leaving the earth, pre, mid or post anything.
Absolutely NO ONE?!

I'm not saying the following verse refers to a "RAPTURE / harpazo / harpagēsometha [G726]" (it doesn't), but these two ARE SHOWN to be "leaving the earth" (or do you not believe they are two persons / "two prophets" [v.10] ? ):

Revelation 11 -

11 And after the three and a half days, the spirit of life from God entered into them [the 2 Witnesses], and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon those beholding them. 12 And they heard a great voice out of heaven, saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them.
13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell, and seven thousand names of men were killed in the earthquake. And the rest became terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe has passed [and associated with the "6th Trumpet" events]. Behold, the third woe [associated with the "7th Trumpet"] is coming quickly [i.e. the NEXT thing, upcoming, in the chronology (v.15)].