Not By Works

[UnderGrace]

I read no such thing In that post. What he is saying is that the otherwise wholesome doctrine of justification and preservation are abused when they are used to explain away texts like 1 Cor 6 and others

More tragedy!
You have some little game going on here and I am not playing.
Done ... finito
And if anyone sees me responding..... Please tell me to stop ... seriously!!

 

[Macabeus]

More tragedy!
You have some little game going on here and I am not playing.
Done ... finito
And if anyone sees me responding..... Please tell me to stop ... seriously!!

If anyone is in Christ, they are a new creation

How can we who are deAd to sin live any longer therein

They that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its affections and lusts

I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not Ibut Christ lives in me ...

The body of sin has been destroyed( deprived of power)

Everyone who has this hope in him purifies. Himself just as that one is pure

The Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death

Because the darkness is past, and the true Light is shining

Whoever serves sin is a slave to sin

If the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed

Sin shall have no dominion

You have been called to liberty, only do not use liberty as an occasion to the flesh

Everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him

Hereby we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments

This is Love, that we keep His commandments are not grievious

The grace of God has appeared teaching us to deny ungodliness...

Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty

Off the top of my head sent from iPhone, so I can’t give book chapter and verse, but I’m sure you know them

 

[RickStudies]

If anyone is in Christ, they are a new creation

How can we who are deAd to sin live any longer therein

They that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its affections and lusts

I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not Ibut Christ lives in me ...

The body of sin has been destroyed( deprived of power)

Everyone who has this hope in him purifies. Himself just as that one is pure

The Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death

Because the darkness is past, and the true Light is shining

Whoever serves sin is a slave to sin

If the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed

Sin shall have no dominion

You have been called to liberty, only do not use liberty as an occasion to the flesh

Everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him

Hereby we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments

This is Love, that we keep His commandments are not grievious

The grace of God has appeared teaching us to deny ungodliness...

Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty

Off the top of my head sent from iPhone, so I can’t give book chapter and verse, but I’m sure you know them

If only I could dispatch my critics in such style. You`re my new hero.

 

[Macabeus]

If only I could dispatch my critics in such style. You`re my new hero.

Thanks. Let them hear scripture.

 

[RickStudies]

Thanks. Let them hear scripture.

I`ve not had much luck with that tho I am guilty of bringing up edgy topics.

 

[Macabeus]

I`ve not had much luck with that tho I am guilty of bringing up edgy topics.

Yeah,well it’s weird how edgy the topic of regeneration is around here! It seems like very few has a biblical view on it, or even know it enough to recognize it when it is brought up

 

[RickStudies]

Yeah,well it’s weird how edgy the topic of regeneration is around here! It seems like very few has a biblical view on it, or even know it enough to recognize it when it is brought up

This website is dominated by liberal OSAS compromised Christians. Christians with alternative views are run off which is what they are trying to do to me.

 

[VCO]

This website is dominated by liberal OSAS compromised Christians. Christians with alternative views are run off which is what they are trying to do to me.

YOU MISSED JUDGED US. Most of us are Conservative Evangelical types of Christians, that believe in OSAS. And a few liberal.

 

[Macabeus]

YOU MISSED JUDGED US. Most of us are Conservative Evangelical types of Christians, that believe in OSAS. And a few liberal.

I prefer security of the believer, as the term osas is abused by SOME anti lordship people. The type of “belief” some people teach is An intellectual acknowledgement and is not regenerative

Notice I said “some” twice. But someone will probably still fly off the handle. Every good doctrine can be abused in the wrong hands, so it is not overly amazing that I said osas can sometimes be abused

 

[Macabeus]

I prefer security of the believer, as the term osas is abused by SOME anti lordship people. The type of “belief” some people teach is An intellectual acknowledgement and is not regenerative

Notice I said “some” twice. But someone will probably still fly off the handle. Every good doctrine can be abused in the wrong hands, so it is not overly amazing that I said osas can sometimes be abused

We are kept by the power of God through faith. Isn’t security of the believer a better description of that truth than osas

 

[Macabeus]

This website is dominated by liberal OSAS compromised Christians. Christians with alternative views are run off which is what they are trying to do to me.

They definitely do try to run people off. Ad hominems, name calling, telling you ad nauseum they have you on ignore (as if a person who’s not afraid to stand for an unpopular truth would care). Etc etc

It’s mostly here in this thread. You’ve entered their echo chamber, and they no likey

I can talk civilly to people who I disagree with, but when they start the adhominem and name calling and strawmen, that is when strong words must be used

 

[RickStudies]

They definitely do try to run people off. Ad hominems, name calling, telling you ad nauseum they have you on ignore (as if a person who’s not afraid to stand for an unpopular truth would care). Etc etc

It’s mostly here in this thread. You’ve entered their echo chamber, and they no likey

I can talk civilly to people who I disagree with, but when they start the adhominem and name calling and strawmen, that is when strong words must be used

What do you say when you get a legit strawman argument from somebody?

 

[Macabeus]

What do you say when you get a legit strawman argument from somebody?

Man, you’re really setting the table for me. Good job

No such thing as a legit strawman. It’s an oxymoron, like unrepentant convert and justified unregenerate person. 😮 there are about as many of these as there are round squares🤠

 

[Macabeus]

Man, you’re really setting the table for me. Good job

No such thing as a legit strawman. It’s an oxymoron, like unrepentant convert and justified unregenerate person. 😮 there are about as many of these as there are round squares🤠

Get ready for a massive mass conniption staring soon

 

[VCO]

Proof that the story of Sodom and Gommorah actually happened that exactly the way it is described the Bible and in the location where it is described:

 

[Macabeus]

Exactly!!

Some people believe that the very egregious sins were not dealt with by the cross.

Human pride states..... "well I would never do those things therefore that person must not be saved or has not made Jesus Lord of their life."

Um, NO, that is not what I believe. Strawman

You and EG still don't know the difference between when someone is talking about preservation and the aspects of REGENERATION.

 

[Macabeus]

Well we know if they HAD eternal life, it is still eternal, even today,

If they did not HAVE eternal life, they never had it, and nothing changed.

Well the text does not say they had eternal life, neither does it say they were believers. But if I remember correctly, it was said that they died in grace.

Ananais and Saphira were saved, that is true.

 

[Macabeus]

Ananais and Saphira were saved, that is true.

Where does the text say they were saved? Where does it say they were believers?

 

[Macabeus]

You come here and state "works have no part in salvation" and then you write this......so contradictory.

Like I stated you reveal your true beliefs ...before I thought you were trying to straddle the two lanes of grace and works but now I know you are actually only in the "my performance saves me" lane.

Nope. WRONG, wrong, wrong. It is not that performance saves, it is GRACE PERFORMS what God said it would. Ie. Grace not only justifies,it also regenerates. Salvation is not just justification, it is also regeneration. And regeneration has aspects that you deny.

All things new

Sin has no dominion

Son sets us free indeed, no longer slaved to sin

By certain things we know we have been born of God.

All you people seem to know about is justification and osas. When someone actually brings up another aspect of salvation, regeneration, whoosh, right over your head. Because you conflate justification with salvation and with preservation. Not knowing that salvation includes regeneration as well as justification, and that preservation is not based on initial justification ALONE, but also on the power of God keeping us, according to Peter, and the present continuing work of Jesus, our High Priest, according to Paul

I think I’ll believe the Bible instead of unbalanced theological systems of man

 

[Macabeus]

I seen right through his drivel the first day he started peddling his street organ playing gospel with a dancing monkey for coin.....and he cannot be engaged with any kind of cognitive reasoning......his skewed view permeates every waking thought....

I do not teach works, I teach regeneration. I do not teach performance saves, I teach God performs what He said He will perform. You conflate justification with regeneration. When I say that certain things result FROM regeneration and new nature, you say I am teaching works salvation. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. I am teaching salvation and grace that works/operates the way God says it will. Not our work, but Gods work in us. You err, not rightly teaching the scripture nor the power of God. Denying the power of regeneration IF you agree with what I Am challenging