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@Lightskin. Did you see this post?
A. Does one who hates his brother have eternal life. (1John 3:15)
B. Why or why not ( 1 John 3:14)
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a. No
B. Because they passed from death to life.
Love is the fulfilling of the Law.We love because we passed from death to life. Love of God, love of neighbor, love of the House of God
Passing from death to life is regeneration. Regeneration transforms our nature. Not perfected yet, not sinless, but different. New nature
This is what I have been saying. Not works salvation, other than the work God does, is doing, and will do until the work He began in us is complete
And faithful is He to complete the work He began in us. 😃
B. Why or why not ( 1 John 3:14)
Answers
a. No
B. Because they passed from death to life.
Love is the fulfilling of the Law.We love because we passed from death to life. Love of God, love of neighbor, love of the House of God
Passing from death to life is regeneration. Regeneration transforms our nature. Not perfected yet, not sinless, but different. New nature
This is what I have been saying. Not works salvation, other than the work God does, is doing, and will do until the work He began in us is complete
And faithful is He to complete the work He began in us. 😃
I sometimes think about your typical mafia tough guy, very Italian, very Catholic. They kill people from time to time because it’s their “job”. Do such people have salvation? I say no because there two allegiances are to the Catholic Church and the mafia, not Christ.
Would someone who’s allegiance is to Christ live such a lifestyle? It’s improbable but not impossible. Would such a person have salvation? Yes because we are saved by grace through faith.
Would someone who’s allegiance is to Christ live such a lifestyle? It’s improbable but not impossible. Would such a person have salvation? Yes because we are saved by grace through faith.
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I understand that ALL THINGS are lawful for me... I don't think you're grasping that.
As I said, I fornicated as a born again Christian. I married the girl and will be celebrating 20 glorious years of marriage this December.
Now would you have ever thought that God would bless a FORNICATOR so much as to send him the true love of his life?
What do you make of this?
Trust me my friend, you're just as wicked as the Apostle Paul was and everybody else on this forum... You're lying to yourself which is a sin.
As I said, I fornicated as a born again Christian. I married the girl and will be celebrating 20 glorious years of marriage this December.
Now would you have ever thought that God would bless a FORNICATOR so much as to send him the true love of his life?
What do you make of this?
Trust me my friend, you're just as wicked as the Apostle Paul was and everybody else on this forum... You're lying to yourself which is a sin.
Consider this...
Grace preserves. Even when we sin, even when we may lapse for years, grace preserves. How? By the power of God and the mediation of Christ. If it was just a matter of “I was justified 20 years ago, so I am osas, because I believed 20 years ago,” we would not need to be kept by the power of God unto salvation.
It is not a work (believing) that saves us. It is the grace of God that saves us from first to last
This is the starting point of my position. Tell me, if you wish, what you agree with and what you don’t. If you don’t want to, we are at a logjam and no point proceeding.
In fact you can answer and we can stop too. I just would kind of like your thoughts on the above
Grace preserves. Even when we sin, even when we may lapse for years, grace preserves. How? By the power of God and the mediation of Christ. If it was just a matter of “I was justified 20 years ago, so I am osas, because I believed 20 years ago,” we would not need to be kept by the power of God unto salvation.
It is not a work (believing) that saves us. It is the grace of God that saves us from first to last
This is the starting point of my position. Tell me, if you wish, what you agree with and what you don’t. If you don’t want to, we are at a logjam and no point proceeding.
In fact you can answer and we can stop too. I just would kind of like your thoughts on the above
Yep and since you're one of those "who are taught by the grace of God" could you explain how you fit in 1 John 3:9?
1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Do you commit sin? Yes you do.
Does that mean your'e not born of God? I'll let you answer that.
You seem to be a "master of Israel", can you tell us what the following means.
1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Do you commit sin? Yes you do.
Does that mean your'e not born of God? I'll let you answer that.
You seem to be a "master of Israel", can you tell us what the following means.
- That which is born of God does not sin.
- His seed remaineth in him.
- HE CANNOT sin because he is born of God.
They can't. They either walk as a slave of righteousness, or unrighteousness. It's as simple as that.
When indwelt by the Spirit of Christ, a believer is filled by the fruits of the Spirit of God (love), - the fullfilment of law, and this brings out works of righteousness, either seen or unseen - until the day of judgement.
Hello Dcontroversal. You are missing out on some very important things here. It is true - we are justified without having to work for it, meaning - we do not come to the faith and justification before God by observation of law as a way of life and righteousness, as the jews still try to do. The law condemns us, and points us to the only one that can rescue, Jesus Christ.
With Christ, you die to the law, and the ways of unrighteousness, and awaken to righteousness, when filled by the Spirit of Christ. Faith is a fruit of the Spirit - this is very important to understand, - (meaning you will also produce the other fruits.)
Remember that it is written, and told by Jesus Christ himself - that all men will know we are His disciples by the love we have for each other. Remember also that it is possible to have believed in vain, - examples of this is found in the book of James.
God is a powerful God, and the Spirit of Christ within the believer fills the believers with fruits of love, - the fulfillment of law, God whom is love, Himself, - and these fruits produces works, because love is action, and selfless. Jesus says that we are to lay down our lives, as He did for us, and that we are His friends if we do this. It is not possible to be one with Jesus Christ, if you are not walking in righteousness, - because if you do not walk in righteousness, you are walking in darkness, and do not have fellowship with Christ within you - out of sync with the Spirit of God. It is written that "we love, because He first loved us."
So the example you are fighting for - if that person does NO works for 50 years, that person has believed in vain. For you do one or the other, you are either a slave to righteousness, or unrighteousness. If you are a slave to righteousness, you will work the works of love, and your works will in many cases be seen - because love is selfless, and unrighteousness focuses on the self.
Love is not self seeking, but others seeking. Faith must produce good works, (we are created in Christ Jesus unto good works) - because faith is a fruit of the Spirit of God. If you are truly filled with the Spirit of God, you will - "walk even as He walked, and love your neighbor as yourself."
James 2:17-18
17So too, faith by itself, if it is not complemented by action, is dead. 18But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.
The works of God is believing in Jesus Christ, for from the faith in Christ - the fellowship with Christ is found, and when you are full of the fruits of Christ within, - your life will be overflowing also with the "good works we are created to do in Christ Jesus."
Galatians 5:22-23 King James Version (KJV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.