Not By Works

[Macabeus]

Mmm, I don't really know much about verb tenses in the bible and the language the bible was written in.

Still I cannot think of a single day I can say with confidence that I did not sin. I am not sure if such is possible until one goes to heaven.

You are correct. We sin. But what is your attitude towards sin? Do you struggle with sin or sin without a struggle? I bet you are walking after the Spirit, not after the flesh, and you live to glorify God, right? As Paul said they that mind the flesh seek the things of the flesh, but they who spiritual are minded towards the things of the Spirit? I bet you are seeking and minding the things of the Spirit, though imperfectly. We are all imperfect. But I bet you in your heart of hearts want to please God. Is that you?

It’s a newnature thing

I would bet you sin, but it is not a habitual lifestyle with you. And if it is, I am confident that what ever habit you or I struggle with, we are in the process of progressively gaining victory over it. Because the power of Christ is greater than the power of sin


Blessings

 

[VCO]

I'm not going to get into a KJV debate here so I'm not going to comment on the KJV being a translation.

I never said VCO wasn't a brother, I said he's preaching a false gospel. I in ignorance and being a Christian have preached a false gospel. I like VCO and do consider him a brother.

If one bible version preaches a different gospel than another version, then one of those versions IS NOT the word of God. You don't get more clarity by picking some words from one version and some words from another version. What you get is "another gospel" created from mixing truth with error .

I've never read the book but I have watched a few of his debates and youtubes. Needless to say I don't care for his view.

1 John 3:8-9 (ESV)
8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.


QUOTE:
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God—Γεγεννημενος, Begotten of God, doth not commit sin: "that is," say some, "as he used to do, he does not sin habitually as he formerly did."
Adam Clarke's Commentary.

QUOTE:
3:9 Verse nine repeats the impossibility of one who has been born of God going on in sin. Some Bible students think that this verse refers to the believer's new nature, and that while the old nature can and does sin, the new nature cannot sin. However, we believe that here again the apostle is contrasting the regenerate man with the unregenerate, and is speaking of constant or habitual behavior. The believer does not have the sin habit. He does not defiantly continue in sin.

Believer's Bible Commentary: A Thorough, Yet Easy-to-Read Bible Commentary That Turns Complicated Theology Into Practical Understanding.

When you PRACTICE SOMETHING you Do GET BETTER AT IT. We do not Practice Unrighteousness, but RATHER WE PRACTICE RIGHTEOUSNESS.

QUOTE:
Therefore he states again that believers cannot practice sin, because they are born of God.
. . .
The first exhibits God's righteous character through obeying His law (cf. Luke 1:6); the second exhibits Satan's sinful character by disregarding the Word and habitually sinning (cf. Pss. 36:3; 119:150; Rom. 2:8). No matter what people may profess, or what past religious ritual or experience they may point to, anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
MacArthur New Testament Commentary, The - MacArthur New Testament Commentary – 1-3 John.

QUOTE:
3:9 The fourth reason why Christians cannot practice sin is because it is incompatible with the ministry of the Holy Spirit, who has imparted a new nature to the believer (John 3:5-8). born of God. John wrote here of the new birth (John 3:7). When people become Christians, God makes them new creatures with new natures (2 Cor. 5:17). Believers have God’s characteristics because they have been born into God’s family. This new nature exhibits the habitual character of righteousness produced by the Holy Spirit (Gal. 5:22-24). John repeats this phrase twice for emphasis. His seed. The New Birth involves the acquisition of a seed, which refers to the principle of God’s life imparted to the believer at salvation’s New Birth. John uses this image of a planted seed to picture the divine element involved in being born again. See notes on 1 Peter 1:23-25. remains. The word conveys the idea of the permanence of the New Birth which cannot be reversed, for those who are truly born again are permanently transformed into a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 6:15; Eph. 2:10). he cannot sin. This phrase once again conveys the impossibility of habitual sinning (see vv. 4, 6).

The MacArthur Bible Commentary.

 

[VCO]

See what I mean!!!! Accusation without documentation. When I attack someone’s position I provide LINKS of documentation

Kjv accused VCO and did not provide any supporting documentation. This is what always got me all riled up

We need to stop all the accusations, unless people can back their words up with links SO THE ACCUSED CAN DEFEND THEMSELVES.

I know I make certain accusations, but at least I provide links and documentation so the person can defend themselves

I DID DEFEND MYSELF. But I doubt if he will ever seriously read it. I posted 4 commentaries that agree with my position that the PHRASE CAN NOT COMMIT SIN is talking about: This phrase once again conveys the impossibility of habitual sinning (see vv. 4, 6).

I have thick skin, and will not let his insult that I am preaching a false gospel, shake me up too much, and refuse to get mad about it.
I LOVE MY LORD, and maybe HE will come to CALL OUT HIS BRIDE SOON! The Thick Skin comes from being a Volunteer Protestant Chaplain, in a supermax prison for 15 years. BELIEVE ME, I have been called worse things.

Let's compare the KJV to the ESV:

1 John 3:9 (KJV)
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:9 (ESV)
9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.


He seldom reads anything but the KJV which is not a bona fide TRANSLATION, it is only a Paraphrased version from mostly OLDER ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS.

 

[KJV1611]

A bit confusing but interesting perspective.

It is a bit confusing because you have never looked at our "inner man" or "Christ in us" from the perspective of the Christ in our minds created by the words we hear and read.

Oh come on now, do you know so little. Spiritual Death, IS NOT like the Death of the BODY. It is In tune with the WILL OF THE FLESH. You cannot PERCEIVE IT. Born Again, brings YOUR HUMAN SPIRIT INTO ETERNAL LIFE, and totally submissive to the WILL OF GOD. I will become dominant through the FEEDING ON THE WORD eventually.


Ephesians 2:4-5 (ESV)
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

Your Human Body has always been ALIVE since you were Born,

Your Soul or Human Mind has always been ALIVE since your were Born.

Your Human Spirit was DEAD yet functioning in tune with your SIN, until you WERE BORN AGAIN by the Holy Spirit.


HERE IS THE VERSE WERE JESUS CALLS THE MORTAL MIND the SOUL.

Luke 12:19-20 (ESV)
19 And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”’
20 But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’

Once your HUMAN SPIRIT is BORN AGAIN, YOU WILL KNOW IT. It wars with the Human Mind (Soul) to become DOMINATE. With a HEATHY DIET of the WORD OF GOD, the WILL of the Human Spirit will Grow to be dominate over the Will of the Flesh (Soul).

The bible says that Adam would die in the day he ate of the fruit. Adam lived nine hundred some odd years and died in the day he ate. Beloved VCO are you ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day?

I'm not going to argue over the heresy of spiritual death if that's what you want to believe then believe it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Whosoever is born of God? None of us are born from God except Adam according to scripture. The scripture also says that we are of OUR FATHER - the devil. I can't say any more than that because I don't want to lose the small amount of credibility that I have right now on this forum. So the point here is that our flesh is not born of God.

1 John 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.

1 John 5:4

For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

 

[Macabeus]

I DID DEFEND MYSELF. But I doubt if he will ever seriously read it. I posted 4 commentaries that agree with my position that the PHRASE CAN NOT COMMIT SIN is talking about: This phrase once again conveys the impossibility of habitual sinning (see vv. 4, 6).

I have thick skin, and will not let his insult that I am preaching a false gospel, shake me up too much, and refuse to get mad about it.
I LOVE MY LORD, and maybe HE will come to CALL OUT HIS BRIDE SOON! The Thick Skin comes from being a Volunteer Protestant Chaplain, in a supermax prison for 15 years. BELIEVE ME, I have been called worse things.

Let's compare the KJV to the ESV:

1 John 3:9 (KJV)
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:9 (ESV)
9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.


He seldom reads anything but the KJV which is not a bona fide TRANSLATION, it is only a Paraphrased version from mostly OLDER ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS.

Also if you read the verse in its...

A. Immediate context

B. Context of the rest of the book of 1 John

C. Context of Johns other writings

D. Context of the entire Bible

Your view of the passage is correct

People tend to interpret texts without considering context, which is why there are so many wild interpretations flying around

 

[Macabeus]

It is a bit confusing because you have never looked at our "inner man" or "Christ in us" from the perspective of the Christ in our minds created by the words we hear and read.

The bible says that Adam would die in the day he ate of the fruit. Adam lived nine hundred some odd years and died in the day he ate. Beloved VCO are you ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day?

I'm not going to argue over the heresy of spiritual death if that's what you want to believe then believe it.

Spiritual death is taught in Ephesians 2:1

Take away spiritual death and you also take away being raised to spiritual life. (Regeneration) I was dead, now I live. Ephesians 2:1-10.

How did you come to these views, KJV

Did someone teach you this or did you discover it in your own personal study?

 

[Macabeus]

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)


Even WE when we were dead in our sins, has quickened US TOGETHER WITH CHRIST.
Are you suggesting that Christ was also spiritually dead?

The same power that raised Christ from the dead raised us to spiritual life.

 

[Macabeus]

I'm not going to argue this with you Mac. I said there was no mention of TWO NATURES in ONE MAN.

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

That verse is talking about everlasting life, glorified bodies, bodies that don't sin, bodies that inheri heaven.

You don't have a divine nature right now! You have the OLD MAN and the NEW MAN and if you would stop being so stubborn and listen to what the bible is saying you could see exactly what that new man is.

But here we go again, you have to change the words of the bible to fit your view instead of letting the bible say what it says. How do you think you're ever going to come to the truth if you DON'T believe the words of truth?

Partakers of the Divine nature...Christ in us. Not just an image of Christ, but His Spirit, His indwelling presence

We are the temple of God

 

[VCO]

It is a bit confusing because you have never looked at our "inner man" or "Christ in us" from the perspective of the Christ in our minds created by the words we hear and read.

The bible says that Adam would die in the day he ate of the fruit. Adam lived nine hundred some odd years and died in the day he ate. Beloved VCO are you ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day?

I'm not going to argue over the heresy of spiritual death if that's what you want to believe then believe it.

There you go again, Presuming something, when you do not have the FOGGIEST INDICATION of what I BELIEVE.

Psalm 90:3-6 (HCSB)
3 You return mankind to the dust, saying, “Return, descendants of Adam.”
4 For in Your sight a thousand years are like yesterday that passes by, like a few hours of the night.
5 You end their lives; they sleep. They are like grass that grows in the morning—
6 in the morning it sprouts and grows; by evening it withers and dries up.

2 Peter 3:8-13 (HCSB)
8 Dear friends, don’t let this one thing escape you: With the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.
9 The Lord does not delay His promise, as some understand delay, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish but all to come to repentance.
10 But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief; on that ⌊day⌋ the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, the elements will burn and be dissolved, and the earth and the works on it will be disclosed.
11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, ⌊it is clear⌋ what sort of people you should be in holy conduct and godliness
12 as you wait for and earnestly desire the coming of the day of God. The heavens will be on fire and be dissolved because of it, and the elements will melt with the heat.
13 But based on His promise, we wait for the new heavens and a new earth, where righteousness will dwell.


In GOD's Time Table, we are near the END of DAY TWO, the Crucifixion, and the DAY THREE will be the 1000 Year Millennial Kingdom.

So, I am near the end of My day here on earth.

I hope to see the Calling Out of the Bride of Christ, before my fatal Stroke; I have had 7 already.

The Day of the LORD will be SOON!


Matthew 25:13 (NCV)
13 “So always be ready, because you don’t know the day or the hour the Son of Man will come.

 

[VCO]

It is a bit confusing because you have never looked at our "inner man" or "Christ in us" from the perspective of the Christ in our minds created by the words we hear and read.

The bible says that Adam would die in the day he ate of the fruit. Adam lived nine hundred some odd years and died in the day he ate. Beloved VCO are you ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day?

I'm not going to argue over the heresy of spiritual death if that's what you want to believe then believe it.

NOT IN THE LEAST, you have some VERY STRANGE THEOLOGY!

 

[VCO]

Also if you read the verse in its...

A. Immediate context

B. Context of the rest of the book of 1 John

C. Context of Johns other writings

D. Context of the entire Bible

Your view of the passage is correct

People tend to interpret texts without considering context, which is why there are so many wild interpretations flying around

I know, but I just read something that proves he has some very wacked out Theology. I had NEVER heard a more ridiculous interpretation.

 

[Hevosmies]

NOT IN THE LEAST, you have some VERY STRANGE THEOLOGY!

Thats what you get with cultic KingJamesOnlyism!

All sorts of weird teachings in those movements!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is a bit confusing because you have never looked at our "inner man" or "Christ in us" from the perspective of the Christ in our minds created by the words we hear and read.

The bible says that Adam would die in the day he ate of the fruit. Adam lived nine hundred some odd years and died in the day he ate. Beloved VCO are you ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day?

I'm not going to argue over the heresy of spiritual death if that's what you want to believe then believe it.

God did not lie, adam died the day he ate, we know by how he acted after his sin, he forgot the things of god and they bcame foolish to him.

His physical death occurred 900 some odd years later, but his spiritiual dead was immediate, he too had to be born again

 

[BillG]

God did not lie, adam died the day he ate, we know by how he acted after his sin, he forgot the things of god and they bcame foolish to him.

His physical death occurred 900 some odd years later, but his spiritiual dead was immediate, he too had to be born again

I dont think Adam forgot the things of God.
He knew them and that is why he and Eve hid from him.

Genesis 3:8-11
8 And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.
9 Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?”
10 So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
11 And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?”

Yes spiritually he died that day.
The connection between God and man that day was broken.

But we know that God already had a plan in place to restore that connection.
To reconcile us back.

 

[VCO]

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)


Even WE when we were dead in our sins, has quickened US TOGETHER WITH CHRIST.
Are you suggesting that Christ was also spiritually dead?

Now that statement was Down Right FOOLISH.

IF You Have invited HIM IN to RULE YOUR LIFE, out of SINCERE LOVE FOR HIM,
You WILL know HIM and the Rigteousness purely of HIM, by the LOVE IN YOUR HEART (Human Spirit), and the JOY IN YOUR HEART, that was not there before. IF IT IS NOT THERE, THEN YOU ARE YET TO BE BORN AGAIN.

 

[blue_ladybug]

A scripture I made today for @Deade.

 

[UnderGrace]

A scripture I made today for @Deade.

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Very nice and I took one rose, I hope that is okay

 

[blue_ladybug]

Very nice and I took one rose, I hope that is okay

I have several more roses.. lol

 

[UnderGrace]

I have several more roses.. lol

Actually that new cat face is a little intimidating....I think I should give the rose back!